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Post by davj2 on Dec 5, 2017 4:21:09 GMT -5
Is the Haechi still overpowered? Even with the nerfs is it still overpowered? The Haechi has been nerfed by 5% less speed and 10% less sheld capacity. Share your experience whether you've been up against one or using one. (The answer is probably yes but lists your ideas on what would make it more balanced.)
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Post by [CK]erazor on Dec 5, 2017 4:36:36 GMT -5
Dash in, unload, dash out. That's why it is way OP and I guess they won't take one of the two dash charges away. Aside from the dashers, every other bot in the game only has two choices: engage or retreat. Dashers can do both, at once.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 5, 2017 5:05:12 GMT -5
Not even -5 nerf was noticeable
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Dec 5, 2017 5:17:48 GMT -5
Dash in, unload, dash out. That's why it is way OP and I guess they won't take one of the two dash charges away. Aside from the dashers, every other bot in the game only has two choices: engage or retreat. Dashers can do both, at once. Lol, could you imagine if the Inquisitor could jump in, attack while in the 5 second stealth, then jump out and get to cover with the 5 seconds stealth. Would be insane!!! Seems akin to dash in and dash out while shielded and packing more firepower than most other bots.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 5, 2017 5:21:20 GMT -5
Properly piloted, Its a monster and will have few peers on the field. They can be taken down, but it will take resources that can otherwise be used to achieve other objectives.
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Post by Fry on Dec 5, 2017 5:25:46 GMT -5
No, now it's normal as a premium bot.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Dec 5, 2017 5:58:12 GMT -5
No, now it's normal as a premium bot. So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented.
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Post by danny on Dec 5, 2017 6:31:47 GMT -5
When I'm fighting a Haechi, I curse Pixonic for creating such an unjustly overpowered bot. When I'm piloting a Haechi, I curse all the people in this forum for convincing me it's overpowered and making me spend all of my huge stash of gold and WSP and a little money to buy such an overrated bot. Hahahaha!!
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Post by Fry on Dec 5, 2017 6:34:11 GMT -5
No, now it's normal as a premium bot. So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented. I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times has been discussed on the forum.But to add something, your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because, the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time.
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Post by snk on Dec 5, 2017 6:35:03 GMT -5
For the price they are charging, they deserve to be very good if not the best in many situations. They are still very strong after the nerfed but I can accept that, because I am buying components for Heachi. Even I still need 4xxx more components.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 6:53:28 GMT -5
Got nerf but still hard to kill.
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Post by danny on Dec 5, 2017 7:39:26 GMT -5
So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented. I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times have been discussed on the forum.But to add something: your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. WSP - Silver baked over time. LOL! That's a mighty fine expression.
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Post by TravLar on Dec 5, 2017 8:18:21 GMT -5
I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times have been discussed on the forum.But to add something: your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. WSP - Silver baked over time. LOL! That's a mighty fine expression. Bake Shop Points... I love it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 9:44:27 GMT -5
So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented. I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times have been discussed on the forum.But to add something: your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. LoL what you say has no sense! The definition of "OP" is not related to the price of the bot! What if Pixonic comes out with a 2.000 dollars bot which is invicible? Will it be justified just because it's so expensive?
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Post by Fry on Dec 5, 2017 10:18:29 GMT -5
I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times has been discussed on the forum.But to add something: your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. LoL what you say has no sense! The definition of "OP" is not related to the price of the bot! What if Pixonic comes out with a 2.000 dollars bot which is invicible? Will it be justified just because it's so expensive? Once a great man said "The ends justify the means"
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Post by [CK]erazor on Dec 5, 2017 11:37:11 GMT -5
So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented. I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times has been discussed on the forum.But to add something, your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because, the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. I was specifically picking Fujin as Fujin is very similar to Haechi, except for the ability to dash. But I already explained that. So which other regular premium bot has high hp, high speed/dash and three weapon hardpoints?
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Post by moflete on Dec 5, 2017 11:38:40 GMT -5
LoL what you say has no sense! The definition of "OP" is not related to the price of the bot! What if Pixonic comes out with a 2.000 dollars bot which is invicible? Will it be justified just because it's so expensive? Once a great man says "The ends justify the means" Sorry Fry, you are chasing your own tail.... You have just confirmed the definition of "pay to win" or "pay to remain competitive", in which category War Robots currently is. Cash bots are premium stuff and way more powerful (OP) than silver, WSP or even au bots. The argument may be "old" but rock-solid to me. That is the whole point of discussion. After cash bots came in, whales AVERAGE 1M in damage and if you don't own cash bots, embers and shocktrains you are not in the current Olympus of the game (you can't remain competitive). Now, of course, following your post, I agree that very premium OP stuff should be paid for (p2w)
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Post by _psychø on Dec 5, 2017 12:18:30 GMT -5
Haechi and the other dash bots won't stop being OP unless they reduce their dash to only one and reduce their speed or/and HP.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 5, 2017 12:26:08 GMT -5
So every premium bot has: -high hp and energy shield -high speed/dash -high firepower ? Haechi's closest relative may be the Fujin as Fujin has energy shield and three weapon hardpoints. Haechi has 150k hp, 68k shield and 43 speed. Fujin has 135k hp, 134k shield (while being a sitting duck) and 44 speed. Now, sounds good on paper does it? The double dash makes -the- difference between these so similar bots. Dash in, unload, dash out. Unprecedented. I'm not gonna discuss with you about it.Mainly because it's an old argument that many times has been discussed on the forum.But to add something, your comparing between WSP bot and the component robot is not valid because, the Haechi is a cash bot but Fujin, can be obtained by WSP which is silver that baked over time. You are endorsing pay to win if you believe that the way a robot is obtained should have an effect on how it is balanced. BagofSoup has it 100% correct when he states that trimming the armor of the Haechi down in line with the Carnage and removing the double Dash from all three Dash robots would balance them.
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Post by kingdavid1 on Dec 5, 2017 12:41:00 GMT -5
That robot will always be over powered. No matter how many nerfs they put on it they can't undo a ancile shield on a fast bot that still has a 2 dash capacity. Now if pixonic would've made it only 1 dash since the beginning it would be balanced for sure. It's a mistake they'll never be able to fix without pissing off everyone who purchased it with real money.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 5, 2017 12:53:46 GMT -5
Ok is this a question of whether or not dash bots are OP or whether pix is pay to win or free to play? In a free to play pix, Haechi is OP. In a pay to win game the haechi is not OP at all. War robots is pay to win and haechi is not OP for the price tag. In fact for $300 I believe it's a bit underpowered. For $300 i would want to destroy 3 to 4 hangers of maxed out free bots with my one haechi. Here is the real OP bot. Griffin. Silver bot able to rival the best bots in the game. Seems to me people are mad that their free silver bots are finding it a bit more difficult to hang in elite leagues. Silver bots shouldn't be in elite leagues. Say it with me..."Elite League"!!! If I were a pay to win guy that would upset me a bit seeing a free bot hang with my paid for bots. I'm not a pay to win guy nor do I own any dash bots. They do look fun though. The real problem isn't dash bots or anything else. Problem is the MM. Fix that and make it fun for all and problem solved.
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Post by hon_shu on Dec 5, 2017 13:11:45 GMT -5
It's still overpowered. I got my first Haechi (and first dash bot at that) a couple of days ago (mostly from component deals), and I feel it's ridiculous. My damage has gone up by 75k and is still rising, and the Haechi is only at level 8 and one of the Orkans is only level 6, and I run level 10/11/12 in Android Master otherwise.
I like to compare the Haechi to the Carnage in terms of weapons, in-built shield, speed, and HP. Well, it's not really much of a comparison, is it?
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Post by moses on Dec 5, 2017 13:17:57 GMT -5
It will always be OP when it is a fast platform for 3x medium weapons (specifically orkans, tarans and shocktrains). Weakening the Ancile a bit more is the most realistic nerf to come next.
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Post by danny on Dec 5, 2017 14:59:50 GMT -5
Ok is this a question of whether or not dash bots are OP or whether pix is pay to win or free to play? In a free to play pix, Haechi is OP. In a pay to win game the haechi is not OP at all. War robots is pay to win and haechi is not OP for the price tag. In fact for $300 I believe it's a bit underpowered. For $300 i would want to destroy 3 to 4 hangers of maxed out free bots with my one haechi. Here is the real OP bot. Griffin. Silver bot able to rival the best bots in the game. Seems to me people are mad that their free silver bots are finding it a bit more difficult to hang in elite leagues. Silver bots shouldn't be in elite leagues. Say it with me..."Elite League"!!! If I were a pay to win guy that would upset me a bit seeing a free bot hang with my paid for bots. I'm not a pay to win guy nor do I own any dash bots. They do look fun though. The real problem isn't dash bots or anything else. Problem is the MM. Fix that and make it fun for all and problem solved. Hahaha! This is a very funny post. Really, thanks for making me laugh. It takes such a unique perspective. I hope you post more, you're very imaginative.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 5, 2017 15:12:19 GMT -5
Ok is this a question of whether or not dash bots are OP or whether pix is pay to win or free to play? In a free to play pix, Haechi is OP. In a pay to win game the haechi is not OP at all. War robots is pay to win and haechi is not OP for the price tag. In fact for $300 I believe it's a bit underpowered. For $300 i would want to destroy 3 to 4 hangers of maxed out free bots with my one haechi. Here is the real OP bot. Griffin. Silver bot able to rival the best bots in the game. Seems to me people are mad that their free silver bots are finding it a bit more difficult to hang in elite leagues. Silver bots shouldn't be in elite leagues. Say it with me..."Elite League"!!! If I were a pay to win guy that would upset me a bit seeing a free bot hang with my paid for bots. I'm not a pay to win guy nor do I own any dash bots. They do look fun though. The real problem isn't dash bots or anything else. Problem is the MM. Fix that and make it fun for all and problem solved. I actually agree with your reasoning. However the Inquisitor costs $300; Haechi “only” costs $200. For the $$$ cost, Griffin is without question the best value. However War Robots wasn’t always P2W, and it’s pix’s choice to make that transition and their manner of so doing that is hurting them. With the last thing, I definitely agree: go back to a gear-based system and the problem will largely solve itself...without pissing off the whales with a bot nerf!!
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 5, 2017 15:21:33 GMT -5
I run a level 7 with Orkans in Gold 1. It's really good, but not invincible. When tankers drop to Gold or Diamond in lvl 12 with shocktrains, it's a different story.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 5, 2017 20:15:28 GMT -5
True haechi price isn't $300 anymore and it has also experienced it's first of many nerfs. A lot of folks did fork over the 300 though. Inquisitors are newer and 300. Aaaand absolutely worthless! I would take a Griff over an inquisitor any day. The robot itself isn't bad. Actually it's a mean nasty platform. It's one Achilles heel is the very thing that's supposed to make it OP. That stealth on the jump drive is like the friggin bat signal every time the bot jumps. Every player on the battlefield sees it and zeroes in. That big airborne question mark has the exact opposite effect as intended. The stealth works for the stalker because it has the speed to find cover before the stealth runs out. Also no one really focuses on a stalker because they don't have the ability to eliminate you in a couple seconds. The stealth jump works to kill the bot in front of the inquisitor but a db Griff will do the same to almost any bot save haechi and not draw a crowd doing it.
P.S. glad you found new perspective amusing but seriously, reality is what it is. And whatever the game used to be, it's pay to win now. With that said, haechis and other elite bots belong in an elite tier. I'm in expert 1 and that to me should be the intro level for dash bots. Going off hanger power won't work as people will just put a couple level one bots in to balance their loaded bots and get a lower placement. The MM might actually work almost the way it is if these drops prove to be worth it. Reward players well for being in a higher league and people won't want to tank. All you get is silver and a bit of gold for tanking. Getting components for being in a higher level to me is much more worth it. Hope it works
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 20:53:37 GMT -5
People might as well give up hoping for any 'hangar balance'. Now that we can have multiple hangars, that we select after we see which map, it's impossible to do MM by hangar strength. The final nail in the coffin for any hopes of the MM being reasonable.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 5, 2017 21:23:10 GMT -5
People might as well give up hoping for any 'hangar balance'. Now that we can have multiple hangars, that we select after we see which map, it's impossible to do MM by hangar strength. The final nail in the coffin for any hopes of the MM being reasonable. This is so true. So our only hope is that the drops are good enough for people to not have any incentive to tank
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Post by danny on Dec 5, 2017 21:23:23 GMT -5
People might as well give up hoping for any 'hangar balance'. Now that we can have multiple hangars, that we select after we see which map, it's impossible to do MM by hangar strength. The final nail in the coffin for any hopes of the MM being reasonable. Hey, are you the first to have mentioned this? Excellent point, my friend. Insightful.
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