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Post by danny on Dec 4, 2017 0:25:02 GMT -5
On topic (following above post). Pix is milking the game now IMO. rather than concentrating on improving the game itself they are concentrating on how to make you think the game is improving/giving you hope while trying to milk the remaining players by new schemes and item releases. As per hi5 , put the spin aside and see what is happening. Eg, you will be getting supply drops? whats the point when a new OP weapon hits the battlefield every month and a new OP bot every 3 months? they are giving a lot of things away to make people stay. IMO this cant continue indefinitely because it will make the game itself of secondary importance and really screwed up not too long from now. They make whales happy by introducing new OP bots and weapons at astronomical prices and they make non-whales happy by nerfing the used-to-be OP stuff and giving them away. You think this won't work? I think it will. I know I can hardly wait to get a Kumiho and am even willing to pay a little to make up for any shortbalance. All the hatred, anger and envy we felt for months because whales had what we didn't and now Pixonic is practically giving it away. Pixonic has factored all this in. They are such genuises. There really is no point opposing them.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Dec 4, 2017 1:12:53 GMT -5
Short answer: NO. Long answer: Seriously, NO.
Bonus: You forgot „can you repeat the question?“ as 4th option.
Trivia: To which tv show have this been the lyrics of the intro ?
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Post by danny on Dec 4, 2017 1:25:43 GMT -5
This poll is quite peculiar for this forum. Normally the title of the poll can be voted as well. Why take that option away from us? Please make the title votable.
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Post by acdcfan on Dec 4, 2017 1:26:29 GMT -5
Trivia: To which tv show have this been the lyrics of the intro ? Malcolm on the middle
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 4, 2017 1:44:35 GMT -5
Sorry, just skimmed to this point. Pixo has recently appeared to be doing some things that can be construed as adjusting its strategy, perhaps for the better: 1)The haechi and shocktrain nerf (though not nearly enough) 2) More value centered reward systems 3) Ads with benefits 4) Better pricing for the hover and storm 5) A noticeable smoothening of the MM. 6) Tweaks to BM
True the royale sucks big balls, but thats more of an opt in. I think pricing of the new weapons, namely gust, vortex, and redeemer will tell in the short term if pixo is serious about this change. I think the issue is more on getting players to trust them again. It's hard to think of greatness when your player base regard you as a sack of polished turds. I have no illusions what Pixonic ultimately is though. Nor should anyone.
I vote maybe.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 4, 2017 2:12:25 GMT -5
1) make match balance
2) make farming easy and bigger portion size
3) make the price cheaper even including the latest items
4) have fun and stop scamming us
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 4, 2017 3:22:48 GMT -5
Sorry, I consider Experts the noobs of the upper tiers. They don't have enough experience and/or skill compared to more seasoned pilots. It may be hard to believe, but skill plays a bigger role. Bots and weapons and levels come secondary. Yes, they matter. But I am seeing more 12/12 pilots in Expert that still struggle. Last night, I saw a Champion pilot with legacy bots and at first, I thought he achieved his score that game from OPness, but he had no MKII and had just legacy stuff. He had 2 plasma Griffins, and this was on an open map Canyon I think. He was on my team, but the reds had the usual OP Shocktrains and RDB builds. I wish I could have watched him more, but I did not get to see him. He basically outscored more OP hangers. Sorry, but your comment just has no sense. Just because there are more experienced pilots than Experts it doesn't mean that a Silver League player has a playing experience comparable to an Expert one. Moreover, no one was talking about levels...of course, if you are good, you can beat stronger opponents and have excellent results, BUT you can be even better with better gear. Anyway, for everyone who thinks that Dashes are not better than other bots: every top clan uses them. They wouldn't have spent so much money on them otherwise. exactly. This game is pretty much like rock paper scissor shoot. It doesn't matter how skilled you are as pilot if you are piloting a scissor hangar, a rock hangar will most likely will destroy it. Dash bots is cheap because it has a short cool down duration while being protected by its shield giving a chance to dash in out of a fight.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 4, 2017 3:41:22 GMT -5
Going with no. As others have said, new things are introduced, but primarily to gouge the players for money. The little gold you could get is being taken away and supply drop introduced. The supply drop, possibly a nice idea, will likely focus on equipment and bots that you don't want or need, Kumiho, Scourge, shotgun (forgot the name), Hover (willing to bet these will be the first 4 to be introduced through it) while the one people want Haechi will be last if ever. By the time you manage to farm the randomly collected components, there'll be something else to start collecting. Each time they introduce something to fix something else, it creates a bigger problem. Geptards clubbing, no problem, let's introduce 12/12 clubbing. People tanking too much, no problem, let's punish the leavers (how the flying ?fluffy bunny? does that make sense?). Too many Lances, no problem, Let's introduce Haechi. Not grinding enough gold, no problem, let's introduce supply drops... As to the upcoming event, still no Haechi, so not that interested by it. you're absolutely right. Pixsonic are constantly changing and evolving their tactics in order to continue to milk the whales. When a new players install this game and get to know this game well enough he or she will eventually quit this game. It is not warm a welcome for new players. Pix know this there a chance war robot can die anytime soon, so they're agenda is to have quick fix with a short term goals to generated profits as quickly as possible. .
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 4, 2017 6:53:26 GMT -5
Sorry, just skimmed to this point. Pixo has recently appeared to be doing some things that can be construed as adjusting its strategy, perhaps for the better: 1)The haechi and shocktrain nerf (though not nearly enough) 2) More value centered reward systems 3) Ads with benefits 4) Better pricing for the hover and storm 5) A noticeable smoothening of the MM. 6) Tweaks to BM True the royale sucks big balls, but thats more of an opt in. I think pricing of the new weapons, namely gust, vortex, and redeemer will tell in the short term if pixo is serious about this change. I think the issue is more on getting players to trust them again. It's hard to think of greatness when your player base regard you as a sack of polished turds. I have no illusions what Pixonic ultimately is though. Nor should anyone. I vote maybe. Good point. I agree that the prices and availability of those new weapons will give us true answer of this question.
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Post by peterpete on Dec 4, 2017 7:25:47 GMT -5
They need to lower the cost of bots and weapons some people don't have unlimited funds. We have family to support not some rich kid getting richer lower the cost or people will leave
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Post by SATmaster728 on Dec 4, 2017 8:51:11 GMT -5
Kuminmo=rog but with dash instead of jump. Blugasi=Pretty normal heavy bot, if you think about it. bit like a lance, and 3 medium points is around a heavy bot's firepower Heachi=OP Health? griffin level. Speed? Medium bot level. weapons? heavy bot level. Shield? energy. If you really are in Silver like stated in your profile, you have not enough experience. Dash is much better than jump, altough the Rog is good against Orkan Dashes if equipped with Tarans. The Bulgasari (which is not OP, just very very good) has 190k hull HP and 304k shield HP, can store two dashes and carries 3 medium weapons: it IS strong. The Haechi has around the same HP of a Griffin, BUT it has an energy shield (did you forgot it?) and it's much harder to hit, so its durability is far greater than you think. Moreover, its base speed is not so high, its true (altough it IS fast...a Griffin only walks at 35 km/h) but with its ability it's one of the fastest bots in the game (only beaten by Kumihos and bots with a top speed higher than 60 km/h). Even its firepower is on par or better if compared with other heavies: 3 Orkans, for example, deliver more damage than 2 Orkans and 2 Pinatas. i have played for at least 2 years, being in silver does not mean i dont have enough knoledge. the blug is, in essense, a heavy bot. enough said. tell me ano other heavy bots that can do the same damage, the trident fury outmatches it, so does the lancelot. if you look at is as a heavy bot, it is fairly balanced.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Dec 4, 2017 9:03:48 GMT -5
It's still P2W, so, no.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 4, 2017 9:22:48 GMT -5
As long as they keep offering highly valuable and sought-after bots and weapons through chance and ridiculous amounts of real $$$, then that's a resounding and unequivocal 'NO' on any thoughts of returning to greatness. Ditto as long as lower-league players get pitted against max-hangar champions.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Dec 4, 2017 12:55:49 GMT -5
Trivia: To which tv show have this been the lyrics of the intro ? Malcolm on the middle Nice!!!
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Post by Dejnov on Dec 4, 2017 14:15:31 GMT -5
I think that I know how to play considering I am in Expert 1 with L9 bots and weapons. I kill dash bots everyday with my old school bots, just like you and everyone on this forum, so you're not the best around here. But there's no way a good pilot would choose old bots over a Dash, and that's why they are OP: they're just better than everything else. This doesn't mean they can't be killed, it's not what "OP" means. Dash bots have the best mobility in the game, the best firepower and they are among the most durable bots. They are the definition of OP, and every veteran will agree with me. They can be countered in many ways and we can live with them around, but I would scrap my Griffins right now if I could afford 2 or 3 Haechis. What if I was to tell you that I had the opportunity to buy a Haechi last month and fully upgrade it to L12 with 2 shocktrains, but ended up buying a Hover and upgrading my "old bots" as you say over a dash bot. Does that make me a bad pilot? My videos speak for themselves. Oh and, says who that "Dash bots have the best mobility in the game, the best firepower and they are among the most durable bots?" Put a dash bot vs Inquisitor and see who wins.
I would probably state that you don't know what you're doing... and that you are inexperienced/borderline delusional...
I get it... some people are non-conformists and like to revel in their 'smarts' as opposed to understanding the wisdom of the crowds... doesn't make your opinion better or right. It just makes you 'special'.
Dejnov.
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2017 16:42:59 GMT -5
On topic (following above post). Pix is milking the game now IMO. rather than concentrating on improving the game itself they are concentrating on how to make you think the game is improving/giving you hope while trying to milk the remaining players by new schemes and item releases. As per hi5 , put the spin aside and see what is happening. Eg, you will be getting supply drops? whats the point when a new OP weapon hits the battlefield every month and a new OP bot every 3 months? they are giving a lot of things away to make people stay. IMO this cant continue indefinitely because it will make the game itself of secondary importance and really screwed up not too long from now. They make whales happy by introducing new OP bots and weapons at astronomical prices and they make non-whales happy by nerfing the used-to-be OP stuff and giving them away. You think this won't work? I think it will. I know I can hardly wait to get a Kumiho and am even willing to pay a little to make up for any shortbalance. All the hatred, anger and envy we felt for months because whales had what we didn't and now Pixonic is practically giving it away. Pixonic has factored all this in. They are such genuises. There really is no point opposing them. In short I don’t think it will work for too long. People will see through that. I am not a whale but do have a hanger full of DIESS stuff so envy is not really that much of a consideration for me. What I am after is a balanced game where the outcomes are mostly based on skill at the top. Don’t care if people pay $ to get there faster than a grinder but the main point is a level playing field at the top. Seriously, what could beat that experience? Most things about this game are great but the P2W.
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Post by danny on Dec 4, 2017 23:00:54 GMT -5
They make whales happy by introducing new OP bots and weapons at astronomical prices and they make non-whales happy by nerfing the used-to-be OP stuff and giving them away. You think this won't work? I think it will. I know I can hardly wait to get a Kumiho and am even willing to pay a little to make up for any shortbalance. All the hatred, anger and envy we felt for months because whales had what we didn't and now Pixonic is practically giving it away. Pixonic has factored all this in. They are such genuises. There really is no point opposing them. In short I don’t think it will work for too long. People will see through that. I am not a whale but do have a hanger full of DIESS stuff so envy is not really that much of a consideration for me. What I am after is a balanced game where the outcomes are mostly based on skill at the top. Don’t care if people pay $ to get there faster than a grinder but the main point is a level playing field at the top. Seriously, what could beat that experience? Most things about this game are great but the P2W. First of all, how did you get a hangar full of DIESS stuff without being a whale? Secondly, most ppl don't care much about a balanced game although they might claim that. When they complain that the game is not balanced, what they really mean is that they are unfairly thrashed. If the tables were turned, they would boast about how skilled they were.
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2017 23:50:30 GMT -5
How. I PM you. Not letting Pix in on that. But let me say that there is no silver bullet.
On the second point. Interesting assessment of what may be happening. You may be right because after all that’s how Pix has made a lot of money recently. However, a balance game IMO would be a better experience and ultimately attract more people and more revenue.
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Post by Paps on Dec 5, 2017 0:10:47 GMT -5
HA! Hahaha.
No.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 0:44:50 GMT -5
Not at all, but I hope next time Pixonic won't make pay2win again.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Dec 5, 2017 3:31:38 GMT -5
Pixo is introducing some correctives that go towards a more balanced f2p/w2p game. Back then, it was possible for a normal player to grind for a lancelot in something less than 3 months (at 60 gold per day). Here, the problem was that an haeci was impossible to reasonably get. Same for the other bots and the various ember. shocktrains, Scourges. The introduction of the War Robots exchange and the permanent spins have gone in teh direction of getting those bots more available to the f2p players. I was lucky enough to have a large stockpile of gold and wsp and got 1x haeci, ember, schocktrain and scourge since the time those ways to get components were introduced. Someone with less of a stockpile probably would had managed to get only one or two of those, but the overall feeling (it's a gut feeling) is that the grinding is more or less on par with what it used to be.
Also, apparently someone at Pixo realized that there's a huge problem of catch up in levels which is probably dividing the playerbase between two large chunks. I think that's the reason they essentially made premium available almost for free on a daily basis via the War Robots royale (or maybe that was a mistake, but a good mistake nevertheless). Again, since that was introduced, I'm in net positive for Ag even upgrading in the 11s and 12s.
Will the f2p get 5 haecis? Hardly. They will get 1, maybe 2. Will they get all the new shiny toys and in numbers? Nope. But that's not what was going to happen back then either. They will get a smattering of those and that's how it is supposed to be.
Still, I went for maybe, because.. well, it's pixo, they can totally screw the playerbase 5 minutes after I post this. Also, they haven't, probably because they don't care, fized the tanking issue in any way, and that's major. Daily dropping based on tier are apparently a way to address that, but in fact they will be counterproductive as they will give even more resources to people who already have too much... but that's a trend in the world nowadays,. it seems.
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