Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 2:16:41 GMT -5
After being toasted by Shocktrain, and spending half a game trying to kill it. I put in anti-Shocktrain hanger. One Leo with lasers and Zeus. After that, I killed many Haechi noobs with my stock weapons. Yes, level 5. It's better than one OP bot killing half my team, errhh, 5/6 of my team I should say. After that, I see not too many Shocktrains that night. Did they flee in terror?
|
|
|
|
Post by vin5240 on Dec 3, 2017 2:31:20 GMT -5
I keep a death star patton in my hangar just to be annoying and make them hide behind walls like "1100m range bish!". Focus on the dash pilot and make him start off with 60k less hp every time he spawns hahahaha. Then he spend the entire game trying to get to me and plays irrationally only to get wiped out by my team  Sometimes I just quickly flash multiple enemies with the patton and keep 3-4 of them behind cover lol. |
|
|
|
Post by moody on Dec 3, 2017 2:49:52 GMT -5
What level are you guys playing at?
|
|
|
|
Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 3, 2017 2:59:27 GMT -5
What level are you guys playing at? Exactly. What level are you playing at to have this much trouble with shocktrains? I'm expert 1 and even though I encounter them regularly, it's not something I'm going to change my hanger for...actually with the hanger I have, I am more wary of orkans dash bots. Shocktrains I try to close distance and feed them a steady diet of orkans |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 3:20:44 GMT -5
What level are you guys playing at? Exactly. What level are you playing at to have this much trouble with shocktrains? I'm expert 1 and even though I encounter them regularly, it's not something I'm going to change my hanger for...actually with the hanger I have, I am more wary of orkans dash bots. Shocktrains I try to close distance and feed them a steady diet of orkans The consensus is that the Shocktrain is OP, so I agree with this. This is the new Fury Trident. I used to keep a Fury Treb to deal with it. My team is moths to the fire. Nothing has changed. Used to be saying, that Tridents is insta 1M game. Now Shocktrain is 1.6M game. Most Shocktrain are Whale, so why not go OP MKII. MKII + Shocktrain means MKII Shocktrain. I am on iOS. Android may be cheap (no jobs) so no much money spend people. What OS you on? |
|
|
|
Post by pirateb0t on Dec 3, 2017 4:32:29 GMT -5
It seems i've been talking up the gekko/treb leo setup forever on this forum. THIS is the reason why I run one with maxxed gekkos in my hangar. Shocktrains are literally a death button weapon. You can't beat it up close.
You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups.
|
|
|
|
Post by moody on Dec 3, 2017 13:41:21 GMT -5
What level are you guys playing at? Exactly. What level are you playing at to have this much trouble with shocktrains? I'm expert 1 and even though I encounter them regularly, it's not something I'm going to change my hanger for...actually with the hanger I have, I am more wary of orkans dash bots. Shocktrains I try to close distance and feed them a steady diet of orkans My actual question was what level are you playing where lev 5 gekkos have any effect.... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:53:52 GMT -5
You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups. Going short range vs a shocktrain is surely the best option if possible. ST dps is not comparable to orks or tarans. Don’t know how you got the idea that it is not defeatable up close. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:58:12 GMT -5
You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups. Going short range vs a shocktrain is surely the best option if possible. ST dps is not comparable to orks or tarans. Don’t know how you got the idea that it is not defeatable up close. I was on Springfield, and a Bulgogi had no health left. But it still had its weapons and everytime I got close, another red would spawn on the factory side (by the dam). It's also one of the rare Bulgogis I see with really good awareness, so I couldn't hit it with my RDB so took half a match. I don't think I ever got to it after getting meched out by it. That was probably the 2nd or 3rd game with the OP bots, so I decide to take matter into my own hands if I'm going to see them all night. After that, gone. |
|
|
|
Post by bronzeknee on Dec 3, 2017 14:33:24 GMT -5
You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups. Going short range vs a shocktrain is surely the best option if possible. ST dps is not comparable to orks or tarans. Don’t know how you got the idea that it is not defeatable up close. Agreed, if you can trap a Shocktrain (and they are almost always used on Haechis...), it will die easily to Plasma. They are a huge problem at the very top of Android when I run with my clan because to get to the Shocktrain, you've got to go through a bunch of supporting Orkan Haechis first. And that isn't feasible, so the team with more Shocktrains wins. |
|
|
|
Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 3, 2017 14:43:24 GMT -5
It seems i've been talking up the gekko/treb leo setup forever on this forum. THIS is the reason why I run one with maxxed gekkos in my hangar. Shocktrains are literally a death button weapon. You can't beat it up close. You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups. And while youre busy trying to break a bulgasari shield, they're capping all the beacons. You've lost again, only with a smaller repair bill. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 16:42:48 GMT -5
Going short range vs a shocktrain is surely the best option if possible. ST dps is not comparable to orks or tarans. Don’t know how you got the idea that it is not defeatable up close. Agreed, if you can trap a Shocktrain (and they are almost always used on Haechis...), it will die easily to Plasma. They are a huge problem at the very top of Android when I run with my clan because to get to the Shocktrain, you've got to go through a bunch of supporting Orkan Haechis first. And that isn't feasible, so the team with more Shocktrains wins. You still need a fast bot that can chase it and play rope-a-dope around square corners. The bots that can chase it like Galahad and Rogatka don't have protection. The ones that have protection like Ancilot are too slow, and never get to a well-played Haechi. It just goes round-and-round. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 16:47:37 GMT -5
I just came across someone using the exact same setup as me. Either he saw this thread, or decided to try my set up lol. He even had the same Mummy Leo as me, and the odd-ball low level 6,7,8 hodge-podge of discarded lasers. Rest of his weapons on his main bots were level 11. Well, he gave up and must left the game early with 42K in dmg. I actually followed him around in the beginning and gave him a high-5 for copying me.
|
|
|
|
Post by pirateb0t on Dec 4, 2017 5:07:26 GMT -5
It seems i've been talking up the gekko/treb leo setup forever on this forum. THIS is the reason why I run one with maxxed gekkos in my hangar. Shocktrains are literally a death button weapon. You can't beat it up close. You can delay death by trying to corner them with ancilots but in the hands of a good pilot it's not really defeatable except with super long range or other shocktrain setups. And while youre busy trying to break a bulgasari shield, they're capping all the beacons. You've lost again, only with a smaller repair bill. I don't use it against the bulgasari. I also have a 60% win rate running solo in masters II. Thanks try again. |
|
|
|
Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 4, 2017 9:01:21 GMT -5
And while youre busy trying to break a bulgasari shield, they're capping all the beacons. You've lost again, only with a smaller repair bill. I don't use it against the bulgasari. I also have a 60% win rate running solo in masters II. Thanks try again. So that shock bulg is running amok AND you arent ranging it somehow? Great, he just vaporized your team, you've still lost. And congrats on 60%? I guess? |
|
|
|
Post by ManO' War on Dec 4, 2017 10:50:28 GMT -5
Agreed with the comments that Plasma is the best solution, only as pointed out in Champions League Android, good luck getting close enough to the Haechi with MKII Level 12 Shocktrains to take him out easily with Plasma. On your way to getting to him, you've likely lost 1/3rd of your own health from the Shocktrains already and his red buddies in the pay-to-win clans he is running with will smoke you with their own Orkan/Plasma equipped Haechi's when you get too close.
Therefore, it seems solid that Trebs are the best answer with Gekko's as # 2. Why? Instant damage from outside his range with the Trebs. Only, the Shocktrain Haechi will likely quickly move to the other side of the map behind different cover to attack where as your Leo or Fury or whatever you are running with Trebs will not be nearly as mobile to move to counter.
The Zeus and Scourge simply take too much time to lock on when the Haechi zips out to deliver his shot rendering them mostly ineffective.
Good Read.
|
|
chedro
Destrier
Posts: 118
Karma: 163
Pilot name: Chedro
Platform: iOS
Clan: AW
League: Champion
Server Region: North America
|
Post by chedro on Dec 4, 2017 11:07:01 GMT -5
Here is the issue, there is no proper counter to a mk2 bulg 「dookie」train. Zeus fury is your best bet, but range and speed are limitations, as well as the most important factor time to lock and shoot when shield is not facing forward. Gekko/Zeus Leo can take the punishment, but like a treb furry facing a bulg with 300k shield, all hope is lost. Haechi are much easier to deal with. A plasma Gareth can do well 1 in 1. Itâs the bulg that is a nightmare.
Here is what Pixo needs to do, besides nerf the hell out of the initial damage: they need to change the mechanics to split the difference between the time to lock on and the time to fire, similar to the Zeus. Then they need to make all shielded bots be able to withstand the blast, as well as stop the train. If you shoot a lance with a shocktrain it shouldnât conduct because the shields absorbed the damage. Also, please make this so for the Galahad and Gareth. Itâs insane to me that the lance doesnât take damage, but smaller Brit bots do!?!?
|
|
|
|
Post by ManO' War on Dec 4, 2017 11:19:25 GMT -5
Here is the issue, there is no proper counter to a mk2 bulg ?poo-poo?train. Zeus fury is your best bet, but range and speed are limitations, as well as the most important factor time to lock and shoot when shield is not facing forward. Gekko/Zeus Leo can take the punishment, but like a treb furry facing a bulg with 300k shield, all hope is lost. Haechi are much easier to deal with. A plasma Gareth can do well 1 in 1. Itâ??s the bulg that is a nightmare. Here is what Pixo needs to do, besides nerf the hell out of the initial damage: they need to change the mechanics to split the difference between the time to lock on and the time to fire, similar to the Zeus. Then they need to make all shielded bots be able to withstand the blast, as well as stop the train. If you shoot a lance with a shocktrain it shouldnâ??t conduct because the shields absorbed the damage. Also, please make this so for the Galahad and Gareth. Itâ??s insane to me that the lance doesnâ??t take damage, but smaller Brit bots do!?!? Yeah the Bulg is becoming more common with the ST weapon and is indeed a bear to deal with - though the Haechi is still much more prevalent due to the mobility (The user wants the damage and the shorter cool-down of the dash ability with the Haechi gives him that advantage). In the past, whenever I write Pixonic with a well thought out suggestion I simply receive the "thanks, will pass onto the developers". With Pixonic, you have 4 choices. Spend hundreds of dollars for your own ST set-up, counter it as best you can with suggestions above, die frequently in your own costly builds to these ST Dash Bots, or quit. They won't really listen, they are in it for the $$.
|
|
|
|
Post by pirateb0t on Dec 4, 2017 14:51:49 GMT -5
I don't use it against the bulgasari. I also have a 60% win rate running solo in masters II. Thanks try again. So that shock bulg is running amok AND you arent ranging it somehow? Great, he just vaporized your team, you've still lost. And congrats on 60%? I guess? There’s literally no answer to a mk2 bulg shocktrain setup which doesn’t involve much of the same. Scoff all you want at 60% but i’d like to see you do that. Unlike you I can’t fall back on an entire squad of teammates with diess gear. Arrogant twit. |
|
|
|
Post by pirateb0t on Dec 4, 2017 14:52:58 GMT -5
I don't use it against the bulgasari. I also have a 60% win rate running solo in masters II. Thanks try again. So that shock bulg is running amok AND you arent ranging it somehow? Great, he just vaporized your team, you've still lost. And congrats on 60%? I guess? There’s literally no answer to a mk2 bulg shocktrain setup which doesn’t involve much of the same. Long range at least mitigates some of the threat at times. Oh yeah scoff all you want at 60% but i’d like to see you do that. Unlike you I can’t fall back on an entire squad of champion teammates with diess gear. Arrogant twit. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:16:33 GMT -5
Here is the issue, there is no proper counter to a mk2 bulg ?poo-poo?train. Zeus fury is your best bet, but range and speed are limitations, as well as the most important factor time to lock and shoot when shield is not facing forward. Gekko/Zeus Leo can take the punishment, but like a treb furry facing a bulg with 300k shield, all hope is lost. Haechi are much easier to deal with. A plasma Gareth can do well 1 in 1. Itâ??s the bulg that is a nightmare. Here is what Pixo needs to do, besides nerf the hell out of the initial damage: they need to change the mechanics to split the difference between the time to lock on and the time to fire, similar to the Zeus. Then they need to make all shielded bots be able to withstand the blast, as well as stop the train. If you shoot a lance with a shocktrain it shouldnâ??t conduct because the shields absorbed the damage. Also, please make this so for the Galahad and Gareth. Itâ??s insane to me that the lance doesnâ??t take damage, but smaller Brit bots do!?!? My current account doesn't have a lot of bots and options. I traded accounts, and so it only had 1 set of Orkans/Pinatas at proper level. I can't even make a second DB Griffin today, so no Fury in inventory either, and only 1 stock Zeus to play with. I'm farming silver to get to L12, but it's possible with the extremely limited bots and weapons, there will be new OP bots released rendering this obsolete hanger even more obsolete. If you look at long rangers, it went from Trident Fury, to RDB Griffin, to Kbot Shocktrain. Griffin can be reused, but no one got time for 3 heavy weapons, and then 3 new weapons and a new platform for it. So I am just duck taping some stuff together Mac Guyver style, and rollin' with it. Hopefully it has a deterrent effect, so the noob pilot will focus more on me. I think Shocktrain can fire every 5s 3-8s, and it has 0s unload time (unconfirmed). Even if I cause him to waste 2s each cycle, I've reduced his effectiveness by 25%. So instead of 1.5M, he will only score 1.2M maybe, which is more manageable. Weirdly, this seems to have a more positive benefit for my team, rather than me going Rambo and then my entire team meching out in 3 minutes. |
|
|
|
Post by F-A-H-Q on Dec 4, 2017 16:32:22 GMT -5
My whole hanger is anti-shocktrain.
Keep in mind most of these pilots are like hydra pilots-they want to stay in cover and out of the hot zone to hit and run.
They will likely back off and retreat, unless you are highly weakened.
With that said, it depends on what bot the shock trains are armed on.
Its best to think of these just like you would approach dash bots.
Haechi dies to:
1. Plasma
2. Zeus
3. Trebs
4. Lasers
Bulgasari dies to:
1. Orks
2. Tulumbas
3. Aphids
4. Trident
|
|
|
|
Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 4, 2017 16:54:56 GMT -5
So that shock bulg is running amok AND you arent ranging it somehow? Great, he just vaporized your team, you've still lost. And congrats on 60%? I guess? There’s literally no answer to a mk2 bulg shocktrain setup which doesn’t involve much of the same. Scoff all you want at 60% but i’d like to see you do that. Unlike you I can’t fall back on an entire squad of teammates with diess gear. Arrogant twit. Not sure how I'm arrogant or a twit by congratulating you on an irrelevant fact, but ok. You are the one bringing up 60% to make an irrelevant point that isn't even remotely related to anything being discussed here.Not sure where you got the foolish idea that i have "an entire squad of teammates with diess gear", but let me assure you, I don't. But I'm pretty sure you are just here to be deliberately obtuse. First you say gekkos are the shiz, implying they are GREAT for shocktrain removal, and all hail the mighty you for championing them for SUCH a long time! Then, I question the utility of shock/ bulg removal, which is by far the more competitive platform, and you suddenly say "i don't use them on bulgs". So much for the mighty gekko you've tirelessly championed all this time. Guess what? Gekkos are still garbage. Along with the rest of your foolishness. |
|
