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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 8:37:15 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I am writing this analysis based on my bot build up, which is a level 12 Hover, equipped with 2 level 12 Tarans and a level 12 Aphid. Previously I mentioned how I was boycotting Pixonic until they release version 3.4 of the game, which included the new bots and weapons. The wait was well worth it for me. I decided to purchase the bot and fully upgrade it to fully utilize it and enjoy it. At level 12 the bot has 175k HP and 50kph speed. This is a middle class bot, and can dominate the battlefield and eliminate dash bots when used appropriately. Keep in mind though that the upgrade costs are costly for this bot. With proper skills and practice, you can dodge incoming missiles (Orkans, Tulumbas, and Aphids,) however, you can not dodge a hydra missile. With the speed of this bot you can hide behind buildings and then eliminate other bots with a surprise attack (you can either hit the enemy from behind, or suddenly jump in the air from behind cover and eliminate your target in the air. Keep in mind though that you need to practice a lot to master this skill.) The risks of a surprise attack from the air is that you will become an easy prey for snipers (Zeus, Gekkos, Trebuchet, etc.) While the risks are great and might drain your HP, I managed to eliminate dash bots while I was in the air which facilitated winning the match for my team. Pros: 1) 50Kph speed (with the glide option) will facilitate beacon capturing. On Yamantau map I usually arrive before the other bots to capture the middle beacon and turn the tides of war to my favor. You can also use the glide to shorten the distances in capturing a beacon. 2) 2M/1L weapon option is good for the bot. With the proper skills & equipment you can eliminate dash bots with the hover. 3) When you glide, you can easily hit the enemy below, while the enemy will have a hard time targeting you (the enemy could even be confused looking for you when you land behind his back to finish him off  ) The keyword here is the element of surprise. 4) Can dodge Aphids, Orkans, and Tulumbas when you glide at the right time. Cons: 1) HP: This bot is equipped with very low HP. Even at level 12, 175K HP with no Anchile/Armor is very destructible so you have to be extremely careful when using the glide (not to mention the expensive upgrade costs to level 12.) 2) 7 seconds cool down when you touch the ground is too much when you need to escape from the enemy and have plenty of fuel in your bot. One wrong landing could be fetal. 3) When you glide off the ground you jump at a very high altitude, making you a perfect target to campers/snipers. 4) Can not dodge Hydra missile. Here are the recommended setups for the Hover: * Tarans/Aphid: You can use the Aphid to hit the enemy while taking cover (hiding behind a wall.) When the enemy’s HP is low you can Glide in the air and finish him off with your Tarans. I prefer to use the Tarans since it ignores the energy shield and is powerful when hitting a lancelot (or similar bots like a Rhino) from behind, hence effectively damaging your enemy since you’re not hitting his shield. * Orkans/Pintas: Many people like to use Orkans since it ignores the physical shield and can severely damage bots like Lancelot, Rhino, or Rajin, regardless from the position you hit them from. * Tulumbas/Punishers: This is my least favorite setup. It will allow you to fire from a safe distance, at the price of element of surprise (and with the lack of firepower I find this setup to be useless.) Advice to new players: Do not glide all the way up to pass through obstacles, as this will make you a sitting duck to snipers (Zeus, Gekkos, Trebuchet, etc.) Start step by step. Look at the video below to know what I mean by that. Keep in mind that the key to success for the Hover is the element of surprise. In addition, your first priority when you purchase this bot should be leveling it up (if you focus on your weapons without caring about your very low HP bot your weapons would be futile.) Conclusion: I really enjoy the bot and find it very entertaining to play with. For $50 I found the performance of the bot to be satisfactory (I managed to eliminate several dash bots with it.) However, keep in mind that this might be the most expensive bot to upgrade should you decide to acquire it, and if you do not fully upgrade it the performance will be substandard due to lack of HP. If you want to dominate the battlefield with little to no skills then this bot is not for you (stick with the dash bots/Inquisitor for that matter.) However, if you are willing to practice until you master piloting the bot then the reward could be overwhelming Here is a sample on how to use the Hover bot: For the following video skip to 4:50 to watch the Hover in action (showing one of the dash bot its place ) Another sample: |
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Post by moolamu on Nov 28, 2017 9:35:38 GMT -5
In your experience, how does it compare to a Griffin?
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 28, 2017 9:51:17 GMT -5
In your experience, how does it compare to a Griffin? Does it want to be one?..I mean, when it grows up.  |
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Post by Jame-thon on Nov 28, 2017 10:03:45 GMT -5
I have to say, it's not as bad as I thought it would be when used correctly. Can really excel on certain maps and really be a thorn in your side from what I've seen so far. Reminds me of a specialty build like the patton aphid or patton gecko. Isn't the most well balanced for every map, but can really impose it's influence when used correctly on maps suited for it or even just be annoying on the maps not as suited for. Just adding my 0.02.
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 28, 2017 10:05:31 GMT -5
Don't forget that you can actually control it's Hover ability to be able to "bounce" in the air. By doing that you don't have to overexpose yourself and make yourself vulnerable to Trebs and whatnot.
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Post by elcheapo on Nov 28, 2017 10:44:51 GMT -5
I don't see any hover bot on the IOS upgrade ......
Actually more interested in the bribe adverts , cannot find those either .
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Post by ironstar on Nov 28, 2017 10:58:55 GMT -5
Does it shoot "over" the shield of a lance when shooting it head on from a height with tarans?
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 11:42:19 GMT -5
In your experience, how does it compare to a Griffin? It is smaller in size (more difficult to aim at,) faster, and can jump (err glide) higher than a griffin and stays in the air for a couple of seconds, making it easier to climb buildings and shoot from above or confuse enemies on a 1 vs 1 battle. |
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Post by krebby on Nov 28, 2017 11:42:57 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised that your recommended set-ups are both for close range / brawling. With Doc levels of HP and speed, and without a defensive shield, I assumed it would work best as a midranger.
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 11:47:48 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised that your recommended set-ups are both for close range / brawling. With Doc levels of HP and speed, and without a defensive shield, I assumed it would work best as a midranger. That's how I rock with my Hover just like how people put Tarans/Okrans on their dashes 175k HP is good for close combat |
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 28, 2017 11:50:30 GMT -5
Can you put an Ecu on the light hardpoint and use it like an umbrella? JK  I'm almost halfway there on components, so I might be persuaded to finish collecting with RM... I'm visualizing a Hover with shocktrains though. Have you thought about trying it with shocktrains? |
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 11:57:00 GMT -5
Can you put an Ecu on the light hardpoint and use it like an umbrella? JK I'm almost halfway there on components, so I might be persuaded to finish collecting with RM... I'm visualizing a Hover with shocktrains though. Have you thought about trying it with shocktrains? I do not have any shocktrains in my hanger. I assume the combination would be lethal  |
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Post by krebby on Nov 28, 2017 12:01:22 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised that your recommended set-ups are both for close range / brawling. With Doc levels of HP and speed, and without a defensive shield, I assumed it would work best as a midranger. That's how I rock with my Hover just like how people put Tarans/Okrans on their dashes 175k HP is good for close combat I don't mean to dispute the idea that the Hover can brawl; I just expected that the Hover's combination of speed/ability/firepower it would work better as a midranger. Did you try using midrange weapons like Tulumbas and pins? I mean, 175k durability is good, but it is nearly the same as a Doc (171k). And an Orkan Doc seems like a better choice for an ambushing set-up because it can dish out way more burst damage than a Hover. |
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 12:15:04 GMT -5
That's how I rock with my Hover just like how people put Tarans/Okrans on their dashes 175k HP is good for close combat I don't mean to dispute the idea that the Hover can brawl; I just expected that the Hover's combination of speed/ability/firepower it would work better as a midranger. Did you try using midrange weapons like Tulumbas and pins? I mean, 175k durability is good, but it is nearly the same as a Doc (171k). And an Orkan Doc seems like a better choice for an ambushing set-up because it can dish out way more burst damage than a Hover. I tried Tulumbas on my hover and I didn't like them. I found the Tulus to be weak/not practical. |
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 13:59:06 GMT -5
I just played a match against a hover with a Shocktrain. Forget about the Tarans or Orkans! The amount of damage I received (despite it being one NOT 2 shocktrains) was insane! I believe 2 fully maxed MK2 shocktrains on this bot will dominate the battlefield |
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Post by darkknight on Nov 28, 2017 14:03:29 GMT -5
They are too fast..even my lvl 8 kumiho can’t catch it..i had a race with it in power plant and I just hardly made it to enemy home beacon while he was standing there and killing enemy bots like a boss..also stole my beacon..poor kumiho can’t keep up with glide although st short range kumiho is faster
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 14:07:48 GMT -5
They are too fast..even my lvl 8 kumiho can’t catch it..i had a race with it in power plant and I just hardly made it to enemy home beacon while he was standing there and killing enemy bots like a boss..also stole my beacon..poor kumiho can’t keep up with glide although st short range kumiho is faster Imagine a bird's eye view of the battlefield while hovering and having 2 fully maxed MKii shocktrains. The dash bots (especially Haechi) are already history now |
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Post by darkknight on Nov 28, 2017 15:54:44 GMT -5
They are too fast..even my lvl 8 kumiho can’t catch it..i had a race with it in power plant and I just hardly made it to enemy home beacon while he was standing there and killing enemy bots like a boss..also stole my beacon..poor kumiho can’t keep up with glide although st short range kumiho is faster Imagine a bird's eye view of the battlefield while hovering and having 2 fully maxed MKii shocktrains. The dash bots (especially Haechi) are already history now On short map maybe ..but on long map like Yama,canyon those trebs and zues will roast that bird in no time |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 28, 2017 21:00:05 GMT -5
I don’t dispute that it can be piloted well against pilots with vague situational awareness, but against pilots who pay attention and hunt Hover, there will be no sneaking up on. For example, I have made it a point to try and hunt Shocktrain pilots, and even killed 5 of them in one battle on powerplant. The only way I feel some slight threat from the Hover is with a Shocktrain load-out, but even that can be dealt with, not just due to hunting them, but their ‘special ability’ is to, wait, whaaaat - expose their giblits!  |
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Post by Nitro on Nov 28, 2017 21:49:29 GMT -5
Came here to check if there was a thread on Hover advice before making my a post of my own. I just got the Hover Bot from the superchest (I paid with 3 days of my life watching ad after ad for bronze chests instead of money) and I really enjoy the little guy. Word around the game is that they will be offering a shocktrain this coming Christmas event, and I have 2k components of shocktrain left to go, so I'm waiting for the 710 shocktrain component deals to come back in a week or so and I will DEFINITELY be putting those things on this badboy.
I also noticed that there's no weight classification for this robot. Where it should have said "light", "medium", or "heavy", they instead put "Scout".
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Post by aceboy44 on Nov 28, 2017 22:57:09 GMT -5
Came here to check if there was a thread on Hover advice before making my a post of my own. I just got the Hover Bot from the superchest (I paid with 3 days of my life watching ad after ad for bronze chests instead of money) and I really enjoy the little guy. Word around the game is that they will be offering a shocktrain this coming Christmas event, and I have 2k components of shocktrain left to go, so I'm waiting for the 710 shocktrain component deals to come back in a week or so and I will DEFINITELY be putting those things on this badboy. I also noticed that there's no weight classification for this robot. Where it should have said "light", "medium", or "heavy", they instead put "Scout". You should definitely upgrade that "bad boy" of yours to level 12 to fully utilize it, and with shocktrains in hands, you will tremble your enemies in fear, including those with Haechi. Based on my personal experience (and on completing daily tasks,) the bot is classified as a medium bot. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 29, 2017 0:01:50 GMT -5
They are too fast..even my lvl 8 kumiho can’t catch it..i had a race with it in power plant and I just hardly made it to enemy home beacon while he was standing there and killing enemy bots like a boss..also stole my beacon..poor kumiho can’t keep up with glide although st short range kumiho is faster I really don't know much about this bot but how does it beat a kumi to a beacon. The kumi has an average speed of about 105km/h. how does the hover trump that. does it glide that fast or something? |
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Post by T34 on Nov 29, 2017 0:08:58 GMT -5
I don’t dispute that it can be piloted well against pilots with vague situational awareness, but against pilots who pay attention and hunt Hover, there will be no sneaking up on. For example, I have made it a point to try and hunt Shocktrain pilots, and even killed 5 of them in one battle on powerplant. The only way I feel some slight threat from the Hover is with a Shocktrain load-out, but even that can be dealt with, not just due to hunting them, but their ‘special ability’ is to, wait, whaaaat - expose their giblits! Makes sense what you are saying.
But any bot with shocktrains is nasty. what would make this one so special I ask myself. the only thing I can think of is its alleged speed and ability to discharge its shocktrains over the top of buildings and structures like at the PP. But is that enough?
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 29, 2017 0:18:02 GMT -5
I don’t dispute that it can be piloted well against pilots with vague situational awareness, but against pilots who pay attention and hunt Hover, there will be no sneaking up on. For example, I have made it a point to try and hunt Shocktrain pilots, and even killed 5 of them in one battle on powerplant. The only way I feel some slight threat from the Hover is with a Shocktrain load-out, but even that can be dealt with, not just due to hunting them, but their ‘special ability’ is to, wait, whaaaat - expose their giblits! Makes sense what you are saying.
But any bot with shocktrains is nasty. what would make this one so special I ask myself. the only thing I can think of is its alleged speed and ability to discharge its shocktrains over the top of buildings and structures like at the PP. But is that enough?
Indeed I used Shocktrain Hover in test server to explore this capacity. While that is a dangerous advantage, the exposure is a problem, and even those not hunting them specifically will now become extra aware there may be some floater around and on the ready to hit it. The only value I see in this bot is that it’s fun for a little bit to fly around and access new areas more easily or for the first time, but as a useful bot, well, I’ll have it in my active line up about as often as my Destrier. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 29, 2017 0:33:23 GMT -5
Makes sense what you are saying.
But any bot with shocktrains is nasty. what would make this one so special I ask myself. the only thing I can think of is its alleged speed and ability to discharge its shocktrains over the top of buildings and structures like at the PP. But is that enough?
Indeed I used Shocktrain Hover in test server to explore this capacity. While that is a dangerous advantage, the exposure is a problem, and even those not hunting them specifically will now become extra aware there may be some floater around and on the ready to hit it. The only value I see in this bot is that it’s fun for a little bit to fly around and access new areas more easily or for the first time, but as a useful bot, well, I’ll have it in my active line up about as often as my Destrier. Noting the recent Pix pricing, a small price tag seems to suggest it is a fun bot and not a meta bot. The alternative is that Pix “heard us” . It will be very interesting but I will wait and get my one during the event and have some fun with it. Actually, come to think of it this bot may get some serious buffs (eg tempest). If it is buffed like the tempest it could end up with around 240HP at MK1 L12. And that doesn’t include the indirect buff of the fury not dropping weapons early. |
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Nov 29, 2017 3:21:42 GMT -5
Interested in this from a speed/fun angle. I have no shocktrains, nor am I likely to in the near future (only around 2k components) - but what would you put on the light hardpoint to pair with shocktrains? - Gekko = too much "hello look at me", Molot = too much exposure time...?
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Post by apilot on Nov 29, 2017 7:12:51 GMT -5
I love mine. Lvl 7 wth 7/8 orkan/pinata load out currently. I played it on test server with all load out options that were avilable, including shocktrain. In order of preference, for me, I would go plasma, orkan, shocktrain (I am more a brawler than a support guy), tulums, punishers/storm. I consider it the nimble little brother of the Griffin. Fast is right, and I knew there would be crying about it (didn't think dash pilots would be the first). My lvl7 is 48kmh. Yes it can match or beat Kumi to many beacons when you figure out how to glide fast. Yes, used well it can make a dash bot have a really bad day. Getting to center beacon in Yama (or any map) first with that fire power is great. Stalker, Gareth, Galahad don't have a chance. I prefer, though, to hold off and use it about third to run around and cap beacons mid game.
Her jump is high, and she hangs out there like a huge Goose asking to be gunned down, which happens. So awarness of cover, angles etc is important. I like using the whole bridge in Yama as cover while gliding. When everyones wrapped up in center beacon fights I glide past on the far side and attack flank beacon. Even if Im spotted only a small % of fire reaches me. Once the flank beacon on the bridge is blue it is an easy jump/glide to get on the main structure. Then the phycological warfare really starts. Red cant reach me, Im behind and above them. 2, 3 or even 4 reds will divert attention to me, allowing blue to advance. If red doesnt focus on me, then they pay a heavy price, lol.
On smaller maps you can arrive at a red flank beacon before red, lol. Powerplant and Moon are some favs. On moon when you spawn, turn right and jump the barrier wall. Jump directly at the beacon (either B or D) on the far side. With a couple taps of the glide button you clear the second wall and glide right to the beacon.....before a stalker or gareth can get beacons A or E. Or, lol, you can glide right over to terrorize reds home beacon.
It quickly became a staple in my main hanger. Wouldn't mind another. After I finish collecting Hiechi parts, I will focus on a 2nd. It's a game changer and I'm sure I have left several pilots wondering 「whiskey tango foxtrot」, lol.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 29, 2017 8:03:05 GMT -5
Interested in this from a speed/fun angle. I have no shocktrains, nor am I likely to in the near future (only around 2k components) - but what would you put on the light hardpoint to pair with shocktrains? - Gekko = too much "hello look at me", Molot = too much exposure time...? I've been thinking about this. I have no Hover or Shocktrains, but thinking about the bot's specs, I would probably say a Spiral, so that you have another lock on weapon with similar range. It would add insult to injury. Or, a Magnum as a back up weapon for when reds get too close. A Pinata would be a good back up weapon too as it would allow you to shoot corners. Say someone is trying to avoid your Shocktrain by hiding around a corner, so boom goes the Pinata. Ditto with the Pin, but with more range and fewer rockets. |
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Nov 29, 2017 8:32:37 GMT -5
They are too fast..even my lvl 8 kumiho can’t catch it..i had a race with it in power plant and I just hardly made it to enemy home beacon while he was standing there and killing enemy bots like a boss..also stole my beacon..poor kumiho can’t keep up with glide although st short range kumiho is faster I really don't know much about this bot but how does it beat a kumi to a beacon. The kumi has an average speed of about 105km/h. how does the hover trump that. does it glide that fast or something? Lol - Maybe glider doesn't stop everytime there is a tiny bump in the map! lol. But seriously though there is no possible way a glider can beat a Kumi to any of the centre beacons that matter if the pilot knows how the Dash-glide a Kumi. |
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Post by apilot on Nov 29, 2017 8:44:15 GMT -5
For the light slot, my general rule of thumb is to match ranges or excede it. For shocktrain I would gekko, pin or spiral. Tough decision I think...keep it all plasma with the gekko to bypass energy shield, or go with homing missile or splash rocket damage for the hiders. Your choice. Shocktrain I don't consider a brawl weapon. I wouldn't charge center with it and wouldn't pair short range stuff with it. That's just me though. I consider (with respect to those who disagree) mixed range load outs a waste. It gives a false sense of "Im ready for anything" when in fact you will lose nearly everytime to almost anything. IMHO it's better to build for a specific purpose and use the bot accordinly. The same load outs we've always used still apply.
Running for that beacon?? Not so fast, here comes death from above and behind you...opps, I landed in front of you. Where did I come from? Consider that while selecting your next bot, lol.
Hover bot=$48. Springing a jump trap on a Griffin (or Gareth, Galahad...anything really) from cross the map....priceless.
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) The keyword here is the element of surprise.
