New Matchmaking = Socialized Video Gaming

Hello, I am new to the forum, I playing war robots for a few months. Today I saw this match making and I thought there is a problem with their system. But I learned it's their new MM. That's why I joined this forum.

I just took out a little destrier with carnage 2 thunders.

I hope they fix this MM. This not right!

I get very funny games, either we destroy the other team in a minute or they destroy us in a minute.

My win ratio is %84, I can still win in most games get all the gold, but sometimes I get paired with team members with destrier, they don't even know to get beacons.

Thanks dredd77, I will take a look at it, games are more fun now I agree.

I couldn't agree more with the original post. I've been playing for a few months and have been slowly building a decent hanger. I have 5 Gepards that I have been using to "mine gold" and a Silver hanger comprised of 2 Griffons, a Carnage, a Rhino and a Gareth. I have kept my Gepards at level 4 to stay in Bronze to be able to compete against similar hangers, again with the intent of earning gold through victories so that I can purchase "better" bots and weapons so that one day I will be able to play and compete in both Silver and Gold tier matches.

The new update nerfed the Gepard's HP while simultaneously changing the match making mechanic so that since I have a decent win % I now play against Silver and Gold level hangers regardless of my hanger. This has effectively reduced my Gepards to trash. Gepards couldn't compete against Rhinos, Lancelots, etc before the HP nerf and now they have absolutely no chance. This means that I now have 5 bots that I paid 6,000 gold to purchase that I will never be able to use if I want a chance of winning.

It also means that I am constantly being put into matches against bots 6+ levels higher than me with maxed weapons. Since the new match making mechanic started I have lost almost every match I've played. While I look forward to learning how to compete against higher level competition, the frustration of repeatedly being destroyed has taken much of the fun out of the game. I used to look forward to playing, now...not so much.

I have to wonder, what was the long term plan of the developers for this match making mechanic? Let's say I lose enough matches that my win % gets low enough that I start to compete in "Bronze" matches again. If I start winning again then I'll eventually go right back into Silver. I'll constantly be bouncing back and forth between Bronze and Silver with no idea what type of competition/hanger I'll face in each game. Again, this makes my Gepards useless since they can't compete in Silver. I spent 6,000 gold buying bots I'll never use again.

My Gepards are all level 4 running level 6 Pinatas. The only time I load my Magnums or Aphids is when my clan wants me to. Yes I did win alot when competing against things like Golems and Kossaks but I believe that to 100% fair. I wasn't given 5 Gepards, I earned the Gold by learning how to play effectively.

Again, my end goal was to be able to compete in "Silver" & "Gold" tier matches but being thrown in with them now when my hanger isn't capable of competing with them is beyond frustrating.

Regarding your Gepard, "useful" isn't the same thing as effective. When my Gepard has less than 6000 Hp and I'm facing level 12 Orcans, Tarans and Tridents it dies extremely quickly. I feel like I wasted 6000 Gold and I'm not alone. The main topic of discussion in my clan today was whether to uninstall the game. I'm not trying to whine, I'm trying to let the Developers/Moderators know that this change is NOT going over well. I'm going to keep playing for now to give the new MM mechanic time to compensate but I'm not hopeful. If things continue the way they went today I won't be playing much longer.

"The MM has me sorted very well now."

So what is your current hanger comprised of? How many Gepards are you running? What do you find yourself competing against? You say it has you sorted out, what does that mean? What do I have to look forward to, because right now the future seems pretty bleak.

i think you touched on a very important part of this.. in the old system i had a +70% win rate, and typically got gold for either highest damage or beacons, whichever i was going for. but, if my win percentage is going to put me onto a losing team, I'm going to be getting less gold, which means i will progress much slower in the game now now because its going to put me into stronger and stronger matches until i start losing. if thats the case, there should be some way of compensating this lose of gold earnings, like by giving gold to the top on the losing team or giving a 50% increase in gold if you purchase the "Premium" subscription, something. i'm already lvl 30, so the gold i was getting from leveling up and that intial purchase deal is gone, and i'm nearly lvl 15 in my workshop, so those extra WS points will be going away very soon too. progression is about to become very slow & brutal halt..

I agree.

After playing a few hours yesterday, I think they should fix this issue:

1. I lost a few games and on each games I lost, one or two team member did nothing or left the game probably. Pixonic should should penalize those who leave the game without a reason. I am playing on phone, I leave the game too when someone calls, also had to leave a few times because of connection problems. Is there a way to sort out those who leaves the game for fun or their benefit?

For example: -1 gold those who leave game without a reason?

Ask for a refund on any real money you spent. People in my clan got refunds from the Rog nerf and many got refunds from this MM change

Good for you dredd that you did not level your weapons to 8. Based on prior mechanics I leveled all my bots to level 4 and weapons to level 8. Wisdom in the Wiki was that you keep weapons 2 levels above your bot. I found this to be true. Anyone researching the wiki followed that approach to build good hangars.

Now.... having all 4/8 bots puts me upside down. I am facing any player w L8 weapons, including all premium Brit bots and WSP bots. And as another posted here, the Gepards are basically trash unless I purchase and maintain all new low level weapons. Hmmmm I could do that and farm ?!

And what now is the purpose of EVER leveling a light bot? As soon as you start progressing using higher weapons, the lights face heavies w similar weapons. Oh that's right I can level Gepards and keep low weapoons and farm gold! Gepard level 4-8 with Aphids or Magnums 1-2 here I go! It will take a short time for the community to find the new farming balance but it will come.

So how do new players who don't read wikis and quickly level their weapons on light bots and then face Gold tier solo players with heavies and low win percentages?

And if all players are socialized into a band of 40-60% wins, how does matchmaking know who is a good or bad player?

PIX is ALWAYS going to have to be managing this now. Farming Gold is ALWAYS going to be a goal of players because Gold is the path up. There is ALWAYS going to be aggressive attempts to farm. Soon, probably already, you will have veterans with hangars of heavies at 12/1 who would take the entire 10 minute game to beat down when they are matched with a new Destrier 1-4/1 or such. So PIX is going to have to tweek against that. They are going to have to have MM adjust for bot levels some how.

Or experienced players will maintain multiple high gold or 5000+ WSP weapons at low levels just to farm against new players with Molots or Spirals and no clue. Another tweek to MM I guess.

I am all for protecting new players from clubbing but let the rest of us play to win. Pix did not have to nerf the entire MM system to protect new players. Maybe start Gepards at level 4 (some Heavies start at 6) and never match them with the players below a certain level.

How about a screen that provides info to new players alerting them to competition with higher level players starting at level "x". And also telling them to do the dailies etc.

I vote for separate tiers with clear bot and weapon restrictions. Players choose which tier they want to fight in. Protect the new players in the lowest tier with no gold/wsp bots permitted. Purchase bots for next tier and level in the background (nothing new there). PIX won't have to manage much and few complaints about matchmaking. Its a free for all within the tiers.

And really MM has not at all solved getting matched with players far below a strong players skill level. Typically one strong player carries the team and the win. I like the idea that all the campers would tend to lose and that MM, based on win rate, will put them together away from the contributors....until they learn how to win. But that is still not happening. We shall see.

Rant Rant Rant

For the record, this post was my guide. I wanted to stay in bronze until ready for higher competition, hence my 4/8 approach. There is no safe zone now. And I don't think 4/8 is clubbing.

That will actually make it worse: the more games you complete the more accurate your ranking will be. If you don't play, you don't get ELOed and you will basiclaly be thrown in randomly (which usually means, badly).

This is exactly my experience. I am right where you are. Very frustrated and have just stopped playing while trying to think a path up. Current plan is to level bots to eliminate the upside down and improve survival. Also maybe going to Aphids and longer range weapons for survival.

Funny thing. MM does seem to be stabilizing. The Reds against me all seem to have Weapon levels 7-9 or that average. Problem is they are mostly 4 to 6 bot levels above me! LOL

Good luck.

Again, it is not an instant fix... it takes time. Dredd was trying to reiterate that. If you have not read the threads about MM, I implore you to. Many players ARE seeing nonstop unfair matches, yet many others with similar hangers are not anymore, yet they did at first. It takes real time. The old system was familiar, comfortable, and what we knew. What sucks, is that we have to relearn all this all over again. What is good, is that people who only "farmed" non-stop are not able to anymore. MANY people are dissatisfied, true, but, again, it takes time.

I am a player that has had good luck so far with the MM change. IDK why, but I can absolutely vouch that I am getting 10Au and top spots almost every winning match. Not trying to rub salt, but instead, to point out that patience is needed!

For clarity, I mostly run mediums, at level 7 with level 9 weapons. 1 or 2 lights at levels 8-9 with 9-10 level weapons. And, occasionally, a heavy or two at level 6 with 8-9 weapons. And I see folks that have bot levels from 12 to 6... with weapons from 5-10. I'm sure I will get my 「bum-bum」 handed to me at some point... but as it stands, MM has leveled out nicely. No, I am not winning every match, but I am winning more than I am not, and not always against weaker teams. I'd say right now I am about as evenly matched as possible with the MM in flux.

It will take time... try to get weapons and bots closer together, and try different things... I saw one guy switch heavies out for mediums (same weapons) and it seemed to be like a switch... matches got better. Even when he put the Heavies back in, the matches stayed within reason.

Again, give it time... it'll buff out!