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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 16:09:19 GMT -5
Ok let's see if we can confirm the theory that you get less offers if you have more components stored.
I have two friends with NO components stored (they just buy silver with them). One of them is in a higher league than me, btw, so that might be irrelevant. They just got these offers:
A. 240 Ember + 240 Shocktrain = 1.600 WSP B. 180 Kumiho + 360 Haechi = 3.200 WSP C. 140 Bulgasari + 480 Tempest = 1.800 WSP D. 120 Inquisitor + 1.430 Scourge = 3.800 WSP E. 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgasari = 800 AU F. 120 Inquisitor + 180 Kumiho = 500 AU G. 240 Ember + 480 Tempest = 500 AU H. 1.430 Scourge + 240 Shocktrain = 900 AU
I have 19.659 total components stored (adding up the eight items; shocktrain has 8.405, being by far the most important one... ember is second with 3.000). And I got SEVEN offers, missing A, that is the WSP offer with the items I have most components stored (bad luck? who knows...).
Can you guys post how many components you have, the item you have most components stored, and if you are missing any of these offers (and wich ones, so we can detect if those are random or not)?
Thank you!
Edit: WEDNESDAY'S offers (other than Hover + Storm for 100 AU and 100 WSP, wich obviously is a one-time only offer)
A. 240 Shocktrain + 240 Ember = 400 AU B. 180 Kumiho + 120 Haechi = 500 AU C. 1.430 Tempest + 140 Bulgasari = 1.000 AU D. 360 Inquisitor + 480 Scourge = 1.000 AU E. 140 Bulgasari + 240 Shocktrain = 1.500 WSP F. 180 Kumiho + 240 Ember = 2.000 WSP G. 1.430 Tempest + 360 Inquisitor = 5.700 WSP H. 240 Ember + 480 Scourge = 1.900 WSP
This is odd... I´m not missing any of them. What about you guys?
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 21, 2017 16:19:26 GMT -5
I'm missing A, C and G Which makes some sense as ember is my third highest at 6k but I'm not collecting bulg (I still have about 2k) and already have my tempests (so a couple of hundred on it) and still didn't get this offer.
I have about 25k comps total atm
Haechi is my second highest but still got both offers.
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 16:24:26 GMT -5
I'm missing A, C and G Which makes some sense as ember is my third highest at 6k but I'm not collecting bulg (I still have about 2k) and already have my tempests (so a couple of hundred on it) and still didn't get this offer. I have about 25k comps total atm Ok... I'm wondering why you didn't get C. Maybe because you have 25K+ components? We'll see... Thank you for your information!
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 21, 2017 16:29:55 GMT -5
I got all 8 of those on my Bronze account that has no components except 5 for a Bulgasari.
I got 7 on my Expert account, it was missing offer B which I could purchase right now as I have 11,900 WSP. I believe it isn't there because I have 8007 components toward a Haechi.
Interesting they did give me offer E though, it is the first Haechi offer I've 4 or 5 days. I only have 749 gold but I can purchase it after I finish my dailies, and I plan to buy it. Maybe I should run my WSP down too and see if I start getting WSP offers too. I think they want me to spend cash on gold to buy the offers and that could be the same for the WSP offers.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 21, 2017 16:32:32 GMT -5
I have the exact ones. I bought A.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 21, 2017 16:33:36 GMT -5
Just to add now I know the triple comp offer rotates I don't buy weaker offers until I'm close to finishing. I'd have thought their metrics would show these were all passes for me atm so there's no reason to not give me them (would be a higher profit transaction if I did)
I'm starting to think it's more a random reduction in number of offers based on components held. Whenever I've gone to complete an item I've never had the offers dissappear, there's always been enough to do it in a few days.
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 16:37:15 GMT -5
I got all 8 of those on my Bronze account that has no components except 5 for a Bulgasari. I got 7 on my Expert account, it was missing offer B which I could purchase right now as I have 11,900 WSP. I believe it isn't there because I have 8007 components toward a Haechi. Interesting they did give me offer E though, it is the first Haechi offer I've 4 or 5 days. I only have 749 gold but I can purchase it after I finish my dailies, and I plan to buy it. Maybe I should run my WSP down too and see if I start getting WSP offers too. I think they want me to spend cash on gold to buy the offers. Hmmm I don't think it deppends on how much WSP you have. I think it just skips the WSP offers on the items you have most. But the gold offers tend to stay, at least these seem more "resilent". I got the shocktrain AU offer, but not the WSP one. karlhungus misses two WSP offers and just one gold one. But I might be wrong. Hopefully with more information we figure this out. Thank you for your imput!
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 21, 2017 16:38:13 GMT -5
I currently have all 9 of the component offers that you posted. However, it did not skip WSP for items of which I have the most, as I had a tempest at 9550 or so today and got the same tempest WSP offer and also decided to play silver BM chest b/c I had 400 keys and I hit 50 Au and 500 tempest keys, so finished off a tempest for $0 RM.
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 16:39:23 GMT -5
Just to add now I know the triple comp offer rotates I don't buy weaker offers until I'm close to finishing. I'd have thought their metrics would show these were all passes for me atm so there's no reason to not give me them (would be a higher profit transaction if I did) I'm starting to think it's more a random reduction in number of offers based on components held. Whenever I've gone to complete an item I've never had the offers dissappear, there's always been enough to do it in a few days. Do you remember if you got WSP offers for the items you wanted to complete? Maybe you do get offers, but only AU ones...
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 16:43:23 GMT -5
I currently have all 9 of the component offers that you posted. However, it did not skip WSP for items of which I have the most, as I had a tempest at 9550 or so today and got the same tempest WSP offer and also decided to play silver BM chest b/c I had 400 keys and I hit 50 Au and 500 tempest keys, so finished off a tempest for $0 RM. If you have 9 offers you have one more than us hehe. You seem to be the lucky one, getting WSP offers on the items you wanted to complete. Maybe Pixonic doesn't care that much about Tempest than other items like Haechi? Who knows Thank you for your imput!
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Post by eluray on Nov 21, 2017 16:45:19 GMT -5
Have 9k+ hitachi 8k+ shock&ember 6k+ kumhi&tempest
Missing offers A B E
Edit: picture gets pretty clear or?
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 21, 2017 16:46:49 GMT -5
I miscounted or maybe mistyped. I have same 8. 4 WSP I have are:
WSP 1600 240 ember/240 shocktrain WSP 3200 180 kumi/ 360 haechi WSP 1800 140 bulg / 480 temp WSP 3800 120 INQ / 1430 sco
One thought I have is that maybe it is tied to what league you are in? They did say that they were going to offer better rewards for playing in higher leagues.
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 17:03:53 GMT -5
Have 9k+ hitachi 8k+ shock&ember 6k+ kumhi&tempest Missing offers A B E Edit: picture gets pretty clear or? Yes. You are missing the WSP and AU offers of your first item, and the WSP offer of your second. And you are probably missing three offers because 1. you have many components or simply 2. you have many components of these items Picture indeed is getting pretty clear Thank you for your input!
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 21, 2017 17:09:48 GMT -5
Have 9k+ hitachi 8k+ shock&ember 6k+ kumhi&tempest Missing offers A B E Edit: picture gets pretty clear or? How much gold do you have? Could you afford E? One thought I have is that maybe it is tied to what league you are in? They did say that they were going to offer better rewards for playing in higher leagues. All evidence has been to the contrary. My Bronze account is getting 8 offers a day, my Expert account, less. I doubt it has anything to do with league though, probably based on how close you are to completing an item.
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Post by Cjax on Nov 21, 2017 17:53:05 GMT -5
Almost 80% to Haechi so of course I'm missing B.
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Post by karlhungus on Nov 21, 2017 18:00:36 GMT -5
Just to add now I know the triple comp offer rotates I don't buy weaker offers until I'm close to finishing. I'd have thought their metrics would show these were all passes for me atm so there's no reason to not give me them (would be a higher profit transaction if I did) I'm starting to think it's more a random reduction in number of offers based on components held. Whenever I've gone to complete an item I've never had the offers dissappear, there's always been enough to do it in a few days. Do you remember if you got WSP offers for the items you wanted to complete? Maybe you do get offers, but only AU ones... Now you mention it I do think I have usually completed on Au offers but perhaps that's just because I have gold and am generating wsp with it so can take gold offers more frequently than the wsp ones.
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Post by T34 on Nov 21, 2017 18:30:39 GMT -5
Do you remember if you got WSP offers for the items you wanted to complete? Maybe you do get offers, but only AU ones... Now you mention it I do think I have usually completed on Au offers but perhaps that's just because I have gold and am generating wsp with it so can take gold offers more frequently than the wsp ones. Why would you take gold offers more frequently than WSP offers if you have lots of gold? At 188Au conversion per day is where a gold and WSP offer are of very similar value. even if you convert 298 per day it should be close to being very similar. with lots of gold in hand and willingness to pick up gold offers you should be able to pick both offers up. Am I missing something?
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 21, 2017 18:48:44 GMT -5
Well I dumped all my WSP, we'll see if I get any WSP offers for the Haechi tomorrow. I needed those Tarans anyway. I've got no gold too, so I can't buy WSP with ingame resources.
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Post by T34 on Nov 21, 2017 18:54:57 GMT -5
Well I dumped all my WSP, we'll see if I get any WSP offers for the Haechi tomorrow. I needed those Tarans anyway. I've got no gold too, so I can't buy WSP with ingame resources. but even if you get WSP offers tomorrow it is worth remembering that it could be a coincidence. Pattern needs to repeat a few more times before correlation = causation :-)
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 21, 2017 19:04:22 GMT -5
It has been several days since I've recieved a WSP offer for the Haechi, I don't think I'll be receiving any soon. And by doing this, if I get a WSP offer, I can stock up on WSP and see if it depends on if I have WSP or not.
I don't like to jump to conclusions, but in order to experiment I had to dump my WSP anyway.
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Post by DBCooper on Nov 21, 2017 20:51:39 GMT -5
I got all eight offers; the most components I have for any one item is ~20% though. I have like 6500wsp banked, but I'm on the way to buying three more tarans.
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Post by arakos on Nov 21, 2017 20:56:03 GMT -5
It has been several days since I've recieved a WSP offer for the Haechi, I don't think I'll be receiving any soon. And by doing this, if I get a WSP offer, I can stock up on WSP and see if it depends on if I have WSP or not. I don't like to jump to conclusions, but in order to experiment I had to dump my WSP anyway. Right. The input we have so far would indicate that you won't receive WSP offers even after dumping your WSP. If suddenly you start getting WSP Haechi offers then we learn something Btw I have more gold than WSP and did not get the WSP offer on Shocktrain (my "main" item) I am seriously thinking on dumping my shocktrain components for silver and see if I get shocktrain WSP offers from then on. Maybe I should wait a bit first, just to be sure I don't get them in my current situation, though. Like T34 advices
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Post by DBCooper on Nov 21, 2017 21:24:42 GMT -5
It sure is looking like you stop getting wsp offers for dash bots, shocktrain, and ember when you hit ~80% completion... I'd say it's a strong hypothesis, and would be interested to see if anyone sees specific data to refute it.
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Post by eluray on Nov 22, 2017 0:47:05 GMT -5
Have 9k+ hitachi 8k+ shock&ember 6k+ kumhi&tempest Missing offers A B E Edit: picture gets pretty clear or? How much gold do you have? Could you afford E? Nope, burnd all resurces i had i even had to buy one of the penny au offers to buy the two haechi au offers the day bevor (what was my first since about a week)
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 22, 2017 1:31:06 GMT -5
Well... I have 286 Haechi components and i'm missing B & E
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Post by arakos on Nov 22, 2017 2:16:33 GMT -5
Well... I have 286 Haechi components and i'm missing B & E How many total components do you have stored? That might be relevant as well
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Post by arakos on Nov 22, 2017 2:17:52 GMT -5
It sure is looking like you stop getting wsp offers for dash bots, shocktrain, and ember when you hit ~80% completion... I'd say it's a strong hypothesis, and would be interested to see if anyone sees specific data to refute it. Good guess. I'd add Inquisitor to the list
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 22, 2017 2:19:15 GMT -5
About 20k. Just sold 9k...
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Post by anjian on Nov 22, 2017 2:29:23 GMT -5
I already exchanged most of my components.
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Post by arakos on Nov 22, 2017 3:18:29 GMT -5
About 20k. Just sold 9k... So you had almost 30K when you got the offers. That might be the reason you're missing those two
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