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Post by [CK]erazor on Nov 21, 2017 2:44:59 GMT -5
First things first. I do not condone tanking. But on the other hand, I have no idea what I'm doing in low Expert right now. I got:
Lance + Ancile + Orks (10/9/10)
Fujin + Taran (10/11)
Carnage + Thunder (10/10)
Carnage + Zeus (8/10)
Griffin + Tulu/Pin (10/9/9)
So if there are matches with some dash bots, I'm doing ok and mostly end up somewhere 3rd place. If there are matches with lot of dashes, I'm simply too slow even if I can anticipate where a bot is moving. I have been reading through the thread with the anti dash strategies, but there is no real counter to their speed. And being cannon fodder ain't fun.
Bots I could also add to the hangar are:
Golem(12)
Boa(10)
Gareth(10)
Rogatka (9)
Rogatka (8) (I won them in the summer event)
Rhino(8)
Leo(8)
Patton(8)
Weapons currently in storage include Gekkos(12), Trebuchets(10), Tridents(at 5, I don't like the firing mechanics), Tempest(10, only got one). Scourge(10, but I'm not overwhelmed with their performance). Also got some Anciles in storage, which I got from BM spins.
What would you suggest doing with this hangar? How am I supposed to counter the dashes? To be totally honest with you, the only viable solution seems to weaken my hangar and thus, making my way down back to Diamond or even Gold league.
Am I missing something which I could accomplish with the stuff I have? Thank you for your suggestions.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 21, 2017 2:54:05 GMT -5
I would suggest adding more Orkans and Tarans and bots that can carry them: Griff, Rhino, Rog, Doc, Lance, etc.
and if you want to advance, maybe keep only one mid-ranger...?
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 21, 2017 2:57:31 GMT -5
First, loose the RDB. Make a PDB.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Nov 21, 2017 3:01:15 GMT -5
I would suggest adding more Orkans and Tarans and bots that can carry them: Griff, Rhino, Rog, Doc, Lance, etc. and if you want to advance, maybe keep only one mid-ranger...? So keep the Carnage with Zeus, equip the Griffin with Tarans/Magnum instead of Tulu/Pins and start using my Rog again? With Orkans I suppose? Guess I could grind some at the Christmas event or at least part of the gold I need for them. Your general suggestion is to knife fight, right? |
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 21, 2017 3:04:03 GMT -5
You need way more energy weapons... there are so many Anciles in the current meta. I have similar weapon and robot levels to you in Expert II Android and this is my current hanger:
Thunder Carnage
Tarancilot
Plasma Griffin
RDB Griffin
Hellfire Rhino
I am planning on changing out the Thunders for Zeus's, making the RDB Griff and DB Griff and replacing the Rhino with an Aphid Leo or Treb Gekko Natasha until I get a Haechi.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Nov 21, 2017 3:08:55 GMT -5
Thank you all for your suggestions. I'll ditch the mid range, make the RDB Griffin a DB using the Orkans from Lance and make Lance Tarancilot again.
So overall you suggest more close battles and way more energy weapons, right?
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Post by DarkVagabond on Nov 21, 2017 3:18:01 GMT -5
Use a PDB Griffin or Taran Rog in place of your Fujin. The Fujin is good against a single dash, but is helpless in the multi dash environment that you are experiencing at top tier play. Alternatively you could also try the Tarans on your Ancilot and see if you can use that as your survival bot. You need to stay close to cover and use your rush to get there as soon as a Haechi dashes you. If you’ve gotten 3 Taran blasts off before getting behind cover with most of your health intact then you have timed it quite well. You should be corner shooting a lot in this setup too, especially against other Tarancilots. If you’re meching out early, keep the Zeus Carnage. I would probably ditch the Thunder Carnage in favour of something sturdier and more flexible, for example a DB Griffin or Stuka. A second Lancelot could also be a good option when you can afford it, but I would definitely get at least 2 more Orkans in your hangar first. For reference, here is my hangar in iOS Champion. I only got the Kumiho last week. Before that I was running an Orkan Rog with pretty good results. I recommend a Griffin in place of the Rhino, but the Rhino is fulfilling a particular role for me and my hangar at the moment.  |
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Nov 21, 2017 3:21:18 GMT -5
First things first. I do not condone tanking. But on the other hand, I have no idea what I'm doing in low Expert right now. I got: Lance + Ancile + Orks (10/9/10) Fujin + Taran (10/11) Carnage + Thunder (10/10) Carnage + Zeus (8/10) Griffin + Tulu/Pin (10/9/9) So if there are matches with some dash bots, I'm doing ok and mostly end up somewhere 3rd place. If there are matches with lot of dashes, I'm simply too slow even if I can anticipate where a bot is moving. I have been reading through the thread with the anti dash strategies, but there is no real counter to their speed. And being cannon fodder ain't fun. Bots I could also add to the hangar are: Golem(12) Boa(10) Gareth(10) Rogatka (9) Rogatka (8) (I won them in the summer event) Rhino(8) Leo(8) Patton(8) Weapons currently in storage include Gekkos(12), Trebuchets(10), Tridents(at 5, I don't like the firing mechanics), Tempest(10, only got one). Scourge(10, but I'm not overwhelmed with their performance). Also got some Anciles in storage, which I got from BM spins. What would you suggest doing with this hangar? How am I supposed to counter the dashes? To be totally honest with you, the only viable solution seems to weaken my hangar and thus, making my way down back to Diamond or even Gold league. Am I missing something which I could accomplish with the stuff I have? Thank you for your suggestions. I have only been playing approx one month. I have a 6/7 hanger and am Gold 1. In most of my matches I am pitted versus Diamond and Expert players. And while I sympothize with the struggles you may be facing, it seems prudent to point out that you should be in Expert, or at least high Diamond, with your hanger. There are enough players already steam rolling Silver and Gold leagues with beast hangers. Sorry I can't be more helpful with actual advice about your hanger or playstyle, but am glad you are seeking it vice just tanking. Regards, and happy gaming~ |
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Post by tekkamanblade on Nov 21, 2017 3:22:12 GMT -5
I would do a Taran Lance, since Ancile Lance is not a good platform for Orkan, not enough firepower to kill bot and get kited too easily. Maybe Tulu Fujin, DB Griffin. I ditch my Thunder Carny as more dash show up, since skilled player won't really let you shine under 100m. Dash Orkan or Taran drop Carny's life in like 2 seconds and Carny can't touch them.
Only Taran, Zeus, Trebs are effective. Orkan miss a lot especially on Kumi, I almost can never hit it...
I was running 1 Zeus Gekko Leo the whole match back in Expert, because my knifers vanish too quick, only range build can net me damage. Now I tanked down to diamond and having the most fun of my life now. Orkan Tulus can finally land, Punishers can finally shoot quite some fat targets. Knifer hanger can do 1m+ damage no problem. And you can get 5 keys a lot often, and work on that 1000 spin to get major prize.
Don't quit, there's always a league for you! If we can't fit in the first world, we go to wild villages to hunt.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Nov 21, 2017 3:27:49 GMT -5
I have only been playing approx one month. I have a 6/7 hanger and am Gold 1. In most of my matches I am pitted versus Diamond and Expert players. And while I sympothize with the struggles you may be facing, it seems prudent to point out that you should be in Expert, or at least high Diamond, with your hanger. There are enough players already steam rolling Silver and Gold leagues with beast hangers. Sorry I can't be more helpful with actual advice about your hanger or playstyle, but am glad you are seeking it vice just tanking. Regards, and happy gaming~ I was doing fine until I got from Diamond to Expert. Lots of dashes there. Bulgasari with 3*Shocktrain. Lots of MK2 stuff. So now I'm at the point where I'm asking myself if there are ways to minimize being cannon fodder with the "ok" equipment I have or if Expert isn't my cup of tea. I'm playing the game for fun, right?  Definitely I'll try the suggestions my brothers in arms here have made. Maybe they'll work? Guess I could use a second Lancelot but the grind for the 5K gold takes forever. |
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 21, 2017 3:31:48 GMT -5
If choosing between Orkan/Taran Griffin/Rogatka, then i would put orkans on Griffin and Tarans on Rogatka.
Thing is, with Orkans you want to load all in a short time and Griffin has bigger payload. Rog is more of a stealthy guy and i found after a long use Rogatka with Orkans , that after switching to Tarans the survival and damage went up. But that may be purely individual thing.
And if you want to advance, then better grind those wsp deals for dash...
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Post by snk on Nov 21, 2017 3:43:31 GMT -5
First, loose the RDB. Make a PDB. I agree with this, PDB Griffin was only okay when amount of Galahad in battle like today’s Heachi. PDB Griffin is so good now, the physical shield bot is much less than before. Of course, Taran Heachi and Taran Bulgasari is better, but PDB Griffin is a good replacement if you can’t get the 2 Dash. |
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Post by tekkamanblade on Nov 21, 2017 3:44:51 GMT -5
If choosing between Orkan/Taran Griffin/Rogatka, then i would put orkans on Griffin and Tarans on Rogatka. Thing is, with Orkans you want to load all in a short time and Griffin has bigger payload. Rog is more of a stealthy guy and i found after a long use Rogatka with Orkans , that after switching to Tarans the survival and damage went up. But that may be purely individual thing. And if you want to advance, then better grind those wsp deals for dash... Exactly on point. Rog's constant jump is not sync with Orkan's long reload time. Griffin's jump with max payload sync perfectly. I personally dumped Rog due to it's fire power problem long time ago, I could use a god damn Ancilot with same fire power, why rog(since Kumi is taking over Rog's job) lol. just PDB, DB, always more damage. |
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Post by noobcake on Nov 21, 2017 3:49:25 GMT -5
First things first. I do not condone tanking. But on the other hand, I have no idea what I'm doing in low Expert right now. I got: Lance + Ancile + Orks (10/9/10) Fujin + Taran (10/11) Carnage + Thunder (10/10) Carnage + Zeus (8/10) Griffin + Tulu/Pin (10/9/9) So if there are matches with some dash bots, I'm doing ok and mostly end up somewhere 3rd place. If there are matches with lot of dashes, I'm simply too slow even if I can anticipate where a bot is moving. I have been reading through the thread with the anti dash strategies, but there is no real counter to their speed. And being cannon fodder ain't fun. Bots I could also add to the hangar are: Golem(12) Boa(10) Gareth(10) Rogatka (9) Rogatka (8) (I won them in the summer event) Rhino(8) Leo(8) Patton(8) Weapons currently in storage include Gekkos(12), Trebuchets(10), Tridents(at 5, I don't like the firing mechanics), Tempest(10, only got one). Scourge(10, but I'm not overwhelmed with their performance). Also got some Anciles in storage, which I got from BM spins. What would you suggest doing with this hangar? How am I supposed to counter the dashes? To be totally honest with you, the only viable solution seems to weaken my hangar and thus, making my way down back to Diamond or even Gold league. Am I missing something which I could accomplish with the stuff I have? Thank you for your suggestions. Don’t tank or quit. It gets easier once your hangar gets to an average of 10/11. Also, your hangar is holding you back. You don’t have nearly enough plasma to compete with all the dash bots out there. The thunder carnage lost a lot of steam since the release of dash bots. The fujin was always suboptimal. Luckily, you can have a pretty solid hangar with a few small tweaks. Use 3/5 plasma, 1/5 midrange, and at least 1/5 splash. Tarancilot PDB griffin zeus carnage DB griffin for the last spot you have some flexibility. Here are some possibilities in no particular order. RDB Griffin (lost steam but still good v. Bulgasari, fury, Griffins) mk2 golem tempest Molot (or punishers). It takes less than 1 week and 26m silver to mk2 a golem (200k hp!) DB rhino (fast and packs punch. Hard to pilot and you will die against splash) orkan or Taran Rog (fast and mobile but you firepower sucks) |
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Post by [CK]erazor on Nov 21, 2017 3:53:58 GMT -5
Tons of great suggestions. I highly appreciate it. You guys do rock! Thanks:)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 4:18:46 GMT -5
Get good with the rogs maybe?
U cant muscle them down, if u try to outrange them, it usually ends in a spawn ride... only possible counter is manouverability imo.
I would swap both fujin and griffin for rogs, and put tarans on the lance.
Either way, the higher u climb, the more u get pounded, period. The stuff u have fits good in diamond (android)
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Post by jhonsnow on Nov 21, 2017 5:57:24 GMT -5
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Post by _psychø on Nov 21, 2017 8:03:16 GMT -5
Rogorkan for life.
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Platform: iOS
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Post by inspirace on Nov 21, 2017 9:30:12 GMT -5
I would suggest adding more Orkans and Tarans and bots that can carry them: Griff, Rhino, Rog, Doc, Lance, etc. and if you want to advance, maybe keep only one mid-ranger...? So keep the Carnage with Zeus, equip the Griffin with Tarans/Magnum instead of Tulu/Pins and start using my Rog again? With Orkans I suppose? Guess I could grind some at the Christmas event or at least part of the gold I need for them. Your general suggestion is to knife fight, right? you can go either way - remove Zarn or RDB. I kept the RDB but recently it appears plasama weapons are on the rise. I plan to use both for the second hangar for the bigger maps. I love Orkan Rog, but recently also find Orkan Doc interesting and effective. yes, more close quarter combat, but not the kind you just charge and exchange your bot 1-vs-1 with a red. knife fighting does not mean charging to and shhoting at the closest red. as you become able to achieve specific tactical goals - defending a beacon by yourself, forming a line with teammates to pend off enemy charges, turning a red beacon white and blue, etc with each bot, your win% will rise even with lower dmg output. and if you see stuff like full champ squads and 6x Shocktrucks too often, consider changing the time you play. in the US, the gameplay is slightly better during the evening to early night. I see more oddity coming out after midnight. here is my hangar, feel free to put a Lance in there if you have one, since an Ancilot is still a good teamplay-oriented setup (note: the Stalker was for Domination battles for light bot tasks; for Beacon Rush it’s a 11/11 Thunder Carnage):  |
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 21, 2017 9:45:02 GMT -5
Level up the RDB. RDB is really effective against Haechi and Bulgasari. I hate them. The splash on RDB helps take down the ancile or damage these bots in cover.
DO you squad often with your clan? If so, you need a strategy against a dash squad.
If solo, you need the following:
Zeus
RDB
PDB
Taran Ancilot
An ork load out.
You pretty much have that available in your hanger.
Focus your upgrades on your weapons, that will take down the dash bots faster. Upgrades on your bots will give your opponents more silver.
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Post by TalkCocSingSongBlurLikeSotong on Nov 21, 2017 9:56:32 GMT -5
Whatever you do, just don't tank. Don't sour your teammates'experiences. If things go so bad with dash bots and F2P like me can't compete, naturally we will drop points and demote to lower league.
With tankers around, even if you drop to low Diamond or Gold, you'll still face their high hangars. Just stay competitive and think of ways to improve your game, like what you are doing here ie asking for hangar advice.
I started playing this Jun, playing around 2 to 3 hours per day and managed to reach Expert 3 in October I think. Using a plain vanilla hangar that doesn't have any Au bot or weapons. Purely made up of Ag and WSP stuff at L7 to L9. So even with dash bots and OP weapons around, it's still possible to hang in there and have a blast, literally.
I dropped the no Au rule once I reached E3 and it's pretty ok so far. So keep working on it!
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Post by stokr on Nov 21, 2017 12:47:39 GMT -5
I dunno...here's the bots I've had success in taking down Kbots with:
PDB Griffin
Taran Ancilot
DB Griffin
...and to a lesser extent:
Orkan Rog
Taran Rog
Punisher Griffin
The key for me in all cases is anticipation of the dash. I try to anticipate when they'll dash and how far they'll get at the end of it to meet them at that location with fire. It helps that I have 2 myself. I also try to count the dashes used (except for the Kumiho, 'cause it recycles so fast) and catch them after the second when I can. That allows for a more normal unloading for 10 seconds, or so.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 21, 2017 15:08:25 GMT -5
First, loose the RDB. Make a PDB. I'd lose the fujin and make a PDB. My RDB racks up at LEAST 300k damage alone per game. Many times I do 500k-600k with it alone. My RDB is lvl.12 tulumbas and lvl.10 pins. Too valuable to drop it, and as a matter of fact most of my clan members have RDB's in their hangar as well and we are playing in high expert/masters league. It's really good for taking down ancile shields with all these dashes around so your ancilot or DB teammates can go in and kill it easier. Shouldn't be thinking about getting highest damage yourself, but rather the overall team which will lead you to victory. |
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 21, 2017 15:25:25 GMT -5
I am not convinced about the RDB. It was underwhelming even a while back.
But...
I have intention to level one way up with the second deck coming. I wait to be proven wrong and not to be sad about the waisted resources.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 21, 2017 15:25:40 GMT -5
Well, maybe this is inspiration to you. I switched to this maybe 10 battles ago, to avoid rising back to Expert 2 on Android, but to no avail... Unless I really screw up next game (and I don't intend to), I'll go up. Where are the whales when you need them? Anyway, the hangar:
7/9 Gepard Aphids
9/10 Griffin DB
10/11 Rogatka Orkans
9/10 Stalker Magnums
Mk2-12/10 Golem Tempest-Punishers
Pretty fun hangar. Especially the Gepard has been fun after a long while, I guess I have to upgrade it a bit for more HP. And as you can guess from upgrade levels, I love my Rog and show it (soon the bot will be 11 too).
I'm noticing clear increase in Dashes now that I am in Expert 2 qualifications. No doubt I will promptly drop back to Expert 3, where they'll be less common I hope.
Anyway, my actual point is this: At least on Android, Expert 3 is a good place to be. Make yourself a hangar which lets you stay there.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 21, 2017 15:50:00 GMT -5
I am not convinced about the RDB. It was underwhelming even a while back. But... I have intention to level one way up with the second deck coming. I wait to be proven wrong and not to be sad about the waisted resources. Here, maybe this will help. Beacon Rush in Yamantau in Expert 2 on Android. I used only one bot for the entire match. This is my second highest record for damage done with one bot for an entire match. Number 1 being a 1.04m damage with a zeus/gekko natasha. It's best used as a support bot. Hell, I even see legend and champion league players including it in their hangars for those who can't afford to stack their hangars with all dashes. You may say I'm lying that I only used an RDB Griffen for the entire match and that it's impossible because it's underwhelming and all, but I can assure you that I really only used a RDB and you can decide to take my word for it or not. I see RDB's in every single match I play. Also, about the second deck, if it's anything like the one implemented in the test server, then you would need to build and upgrade 10 bots and weapons for each bot because you can't put the same bot that's in your first hangar into your second hangar.   |
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 21, 2017 16:06:50 GMT -5
Well, that screenshot does not convince me either. Looking at the opposite team there and reading your description...
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 21, 2017 16:25:54 GMT -5
Well, that screenshot does not convince me either. Looking at the opposite team there and reading your description... How's this then? 1. You can see that I screenshotted right before my team won and I haven't used any other bot than my RDB. 2. You can see that I'm at 3678 trophies which is Expert 2. 3. You can see on the field and the scoreboard, two of my teammates names - "total Rejectsego" and "onguin". The chances of me getting matched with both of them again and making this up is quite slim don't you think? Also, before you say I'm clubbing, I'm nowhere near a clubber at Expert 2. With lvl.6 bots(RDB and DB) and lvl.9 weapons on average (I run a range of lvl.6 to lvl. 12 weapons in my hangar), I'm actually under powered which is why I can't charge head on against the enemy, but do my best to play support and wear down enemies before they get close to my close range teammates. -Well, this is as much proof as I'm going to bother to provide. Whether you decide to use it or not is up to you. I'm not exactly advocating for more people to use them because then I'll have RDB's targetting mine because we have same range, but I just want to say that it isn't underwhelming in any way, at least not for me. Anyways, happy gaming all!!!    |
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Post by H1151 on Nov 21, 2017 16:31:08 GMT -5
Not recommending it for op by any means, but I’ve chosen to quit at least for now. I have to finally admit, that the game is hopelessly broken for me. There are just too many DIESS, I am constantly being matched together with Champions, and when I’m not, it’s usually Diamond faders with Champion level hangars anyway. There are some good games in between, where I am able to really contribute, but they are too few and far apart. The only options for me would be to fade down the leagues, which I don’t want to do, or start paying serious money, which I don’t want to do either.
Heck, what’s the point, since I’m not interested in running DIESS even if somebody gave me a hangar full of them for free. The game would still be broken for me. I would be the big kid sitting on the low end of the seesaw instead of the puny one perched high up in the air, but there would still be no swinging. Same poopoo, just different seats.
I have 11k gold and a bit over 500 mio silver. I probably keep updating things just for the heck of it - if I don’t lose interest for that, too - but playing is over. It’s just not fun anymore, so why bother.
Ps. I think I’m going to steer clear of mobile gaming in general. The genre has become toxic.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 21, 2017 16:34:29 GMT -5
H1151 A little bit of mobile bubble shooter to kill some time wouldn't hurt 
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