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Post by Brimstone on Nov 20, 2017 16:50:43 GMT -5
Yes - I know about the other anti haechi tactic thread. I'm specifically looking for thorough exp with two builds. See below.
A little background: I'm a f2p player in Champion on Android (yes, it can be done). The meta is swinging back to energy based weapons, ancilots, and the orkan haechi. I've adapted my hangar to mid range support to survive against all the Mk2 and dash bot p2w players (the $$$ whales Pix so loves).
My one problem is the orkan haechi (the other dashes I can handle). My Zeus Carny does okay against them IF I can stay at range, which is hard to do on tight maps. My current counter is a PDB Griffin but in a 1-on-1 I come away crippled, at best. If my jump is on cool-down, I just do the most damage I can before death. My thunder/orkan lance doesn't fare much better (usually worse).
I'm working on an ember/taran Inquistor but it's taking a while with the component gathering. Ultimately, I'm thinking this bot will work well in the new meta.
For now though, I'm stuck with the same ol' f2p stuff. Anyone have suggestions for a "brawler" bot that can stand up to a Orkan Haechi better than a PBD? Here are two that might but haven't tried:
1) Taran Rog 2) Punisher Griffin (mostly likely build to work, imho)
Anyone have good exp. with either in Champion? Is there another build I'm missing?
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Post by maverick on Nov 20, 2017 22:52:59 GMT -5
Fury with 3 Anciles? You only said stand up to it, you didn't say kill it lol
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 20, 2017 23:13:36 GMT -5
Fury Zeus. You can't actually take out a Haechi with a single 'F2P bot.'
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 20, 2017 23:15:55 GMT -5
Spiral-hydra griff are becoming more common lately as an anti-dash counter but both of them need to be really high level.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 20, 2017 23:16:40 GMT -5
Fury Zeus. You can't actually take out a Haechi with a single 'F2P bot.' You can, just not head-to-head without help or at distance.
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Post by SuperHero on Nov 20, 2017 23:46:55 GMT -5
Fury Zeus. You can't actually take out a Haechi with a single 'F2P bot.' You can, just not head-to-head without help or at distance. Well, it also depends on the stupidity of the dash user. Lol. ive met a few who have some horrid stupid mistakes. And I’ve made a few too. i saw a Haechi get totally crushed by a Treb Butch in Yama.
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 20, 2017 23:51:36 GMT -5
i saw a Haechi get totally crushed by a Treb Butch in Yama. I was thinking Treb Butch, because you have a longer period of time to obliterate him before he get within range, but it's much more expensive.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 20, 2017 23:56:40 GMT -5
Orkan Doc can pack enough punch. But only when haechi is off guard.
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Post by SuperHero on Nov 20, 2017 23:59:51 GMT -5
i saw a Haechi get totally crushed by a Treb Butch in Yama. I was thinking Treb Butch, because you have a longer period of time to obliterate him before he get within range, but it's much more expensive. Cheaper than a Haechi though. LOL But yeah, so far I think the Zeus Fury is the most effective non-dash weapon against the Haechi. Even the Ember/Taran Inquisitor isn't as good for that. But the Ember is awesome against Ancilots. Next weapon, a WATERGUN to counter the Ember! To be fair, just because you have a Fury doesn't mean it's a Pay-to-win bot. I own 2 furies and both were earned the hard way. I also have 2 lances also earned the hard way. So it's not impossible. Dashes on the other hand are a different story.
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 21, 2017 0:02:19 GMT -5
To be fair, just because you have a Fury doesn't mean it's a Pay-to-win bot. I own 2 furies and both were earned the hard way. I also have 2 lances also earned the hard way. So it's not impossible. Or, if you were like me and you got a 5k gold gift from Pix from being absent
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 21, 2017 0:18:42 GMT -5
You can, just not head-to-head without help or at distance. Well, it also depends on the stupidity of the dash user. Lol. ive met a few who have some horrid stupid mistakes. And I’ve made a few too. i saw a Haechi get totally crushed by a Treb Butch in Yama. Lol... I have had success against dashes in basically 3 situations: 1) Being the second bot that shows up to deal with it like with a lance or kumi 2) Tempest carnage vs Bulgesari on Yama if I can get to either side beacon or a platformand they are spawning in the center or at home beacon, it is usually a turkeyshoot. 3) Stupid driver like someone who charges and slugs it with lance with haichi shocktrain b/c they have heard how OT powerful it is. Also responding to superhero, I def earned my Kumiho the hard way, along with the lances and tempests. That is one bot that many ppl grinded for. Should end up being pretty rare though b/c who would go for kumi components when you could get a haichi? Also, if you look at top 50 on iOS, Zeus fury is basically only non-dash still represented on list -- just a handful but they have bounced back a bit.
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Post by elcheapo on Nov 21, 2017 3:27:55 GMT -5
Hey Champ
What possible advice can us low league losers give you ?
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Post by noobcake on Nov 21, 2017 4:00:27 GMT -5
Best bet is still the PDB Griffin for 1v1. Cornershoot and save those jumps!
Tarancilot is good. They will dash into your bubble so it isn’t really a 1v1 bot. However, with teammate assistance, you can make it difficult to approach.
Zeus Carnage works well.
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Post by BLYTHE on Nov 21, 2017 4:11:16 GMT -5
Some success on tight maps: stalker and taran Rog; on open maps: zeus Fury. I've been trying to get my tarans up to MK2 L12. That extra 20% punch should come in handy on 2 Lances.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Nov 21, 2017 5:07:31 GMT -5
Yes - I know about the other anti haechi tactic thread. I'm specifically looking for thorough exp with two builds. See below. A little background: I'm a f2p player in Champion on Android (yes, it can be done). The meta is swinging back to energy based weapons, ancilots, and the orkan haechi. I've adapted my hangar to mid range support to survive against all the Mk2 and dash bot p2w players (the $$$ whales Pix so loves). My one problem is the orkan haechi (the other dashes I can handle). My Zeus Carny does okay against them IF I can stay at range, which is hard to do on tight maps. My current counter is a PDB Griffin but in a 1-on-1 I come away crippled, at best. If my jump is on cool-down, I just do the most damage I can before death. My thunder/orkan lance doesn't fare much better (usually worse). I'm working on an ember/taran Inquistor but it's taking a while with the component gathering. Ultimately, I'm thinking this bot will work well in the new meta. For now though, I'm stuck with the same ol' f2p stuff. Anyone have suggestions for a "brawler" bot that can stand up to a Orkan Haechi better than a PBD? Here are two that might but haven't tried: 1) Taran Rog 2) Punisher Griffin (mostly likely build to work, imho) Anyone have good exp. with either in Champion? Is there another build I'm missing? Hey mate, Here is my advice one Champ to another. I think you should be using Tarancilot and PDB Griffin in the same hangar. The 3.2 update has not been kind to the Thunder Orkan Lancelot. You are better off using an Orkancilot or DB Griffin in the current meta IMHO. Use the Orkancilot for Bulgasaris, Galahads and Thunder Orkan Lancelots, and use the Tarancilot for Haechis. I’m also using PDB Griffin as my anti dashbot setup and it’s doing just fine. I did have to get better at piloting it though. In my opinion there’s no better counter out there, including Zeus Fury and Taran Rog. The Fury doesn’t help hold territory on closed maps and I hate the feeling that I have no power to affect beacon control in a match. The Taran Rog is ok as a beacon capper and support to a friendly Ancilot, but should only be used in addition to the PDB Griffin IMO. I cannot see Punisher Griffin being better 1 on 1 than a PDB Griffin with equivalent levels. Anyone who argues otherwise would have an uphill battle supplying the proof of this assertion. I have two Punishers at lvl 11 and I remain very underwhelmed. Lead hose is really more of a support setup, which is not what you have asked for. The only setup that comes close to PDB Griffin is the aforementioned Tarancilot, which when used intelligently can withstand the barrage of Orkans over and over again and deal unanswered damage to an Orkan Haechi. As I said, I had to learn how to pilot my PDB more effectively. I don’t know your levels or play style, but here is what helped me: Getting the Tarans and Magnums to level 12. Not 10, not 11 - level 12. It makes a massive difference to how much Orkan fire you might otherwise absorb. Getting the bot outa there in as little time as possible really increased the effectiveness of my PDB. Level 12 Tarans are now more important than lvl 12 Orkans for any f2p Champion. Making sure I’m NEVER the Haechi’s closest target. Ok, I get it, it’s not always possible. But if you’re anything like me, I’m a little surprised at how many times I still make this error even when I do have the choice. Haechi pilots are mostly impatient and petulant children. If I give them a closer target they’ll take the easy silver, then I can jump (preferably across L or R) and counter them while they are distracted and have used their dash. Being STRICT about staying between 300 and 350 metres. Again, it’s an easy mistake to make even if I lose concentration just for a small moment. The extra 50m range advantage needs to be utilised wherever possible. I also try to save my jump to evade diagonally away from a Haechi if they dash me. Approaching the targeted Haechi from cover and being PATIENT. I started to notice that if a Haechi saw I was running a PDB, they would prioritise me as a target. It became all the more important for me to conceal my setup until the Haechi was in range. Sometimes I have to stay there until the Haechi gets distracted, uses a dash, or a blue teammate comes along to assist. Sometimes it’s better to let him guard that beacon for 20 more seconds, wait for a mistake or disadvantage and then capitalise. Using MORE THAN ONE plasma setup in the same hangar. I love Orkans. I run 6 of them in every match I play. But now that we are seeing 5 Haechi hangars after the 3.2 update, I realised my two Tarans were not gonna cut it. I upgraded another pair and run them on my Ancilot as I said previously. That way if my PDB gets smoked (and let’s face it, sometimes it will) I have another plasma bot I can jump in to finish the job and reclaim that vital beacon from that Haechi scum. You often need at least two hard hitting plasma setups in your hangar to thrive in the current meta. Those are my thoughts. Hope there’s something in there you may find useful. DV
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 21, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
Against an orkan Haechi, I think anything that can move fast and hit with plasma would be good. I went up against one with my taran Rog. I messed up my first jump - or maybe it was lag - and got nailed with the Haechi's first long burst. I actually put up a decent fight after that but still got toasted. If you don't have anything that can move fast, I think PDB is probably second best over all. Wait for the Haechi to get in close, and then jump away while firing. He can't hit you in the first half of your jump, only after you hit your apex, so make that first couple of seconds count.
Personally, I'd work on shocktrains rather than ember for an anti Haechi build. You want something that can hit instantly (or close to instantly), go through the ancile, and has decent range. At 350m, the Haechi will be in your face before you say "boo". Sure, the Inquisitor can jump and stealth, but it's a toss up I think, with the edge going to the Haechi.
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 21, 2017 12:19:18 GMT -5
Taran Rogatka. I've had good luck with that. Majority of Haechi users I've run across underestimate it.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 21, 2017 12:23:30 GMT -5
Personally, I'd work on shocktrains rather than ember for an anti Haechi build. You want something that can hit instantly (or close to instantly), go through the ancile, and has decent range. At 350m, the Haechi will be in your face before you say "boo". Sure, the Inquisitor can jump and stealth, but it's a toss up I think, with the edge going to the Haechi. I ran Orkan Haechi against Ember/Orkan or Ember/Taran Inquisitor on test server, time-and-again, and never lost. When I tried reverse -- Inquisitor v Haechi, I had similar lack of success unless it was a bad pilot or they mistimed their attack. I think best anti-haichi build is shocktrain bulg played as sniper.
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Post by krebby on Nov 21, 2017 15:08:51 GMT -5
First of all, I currently play in the curious limbo that is Expert (on iOS). That means I am generally among the mid-to-bottom fodder players when facing Champs, regardless of whether I win or lose. I haven't kept track, but it feels like about 2/3s of my games involve champs. My bots/weapons are between 8 and 9. I disclose all this because I'm not sure how relevant my experiences will be to your situation.
That said, I have two bots upon which I rely when facing Haechis with Orkans: (1) a Plasma Griffin; and (2) a Punisher Fujin. The Plasma Griffin for all the reasons described above.
For the Fujin, the very strong ancile shield allows me to survive a Orkchi alpha strike. I mean, fully leveled Orkchis deal approximately 45K burst DPS if all the rockets hit, so the ancile will hold up for about 3 seconds assuming some rockets miss. It doesn't sound impressive, but the truth is that the Orkchi will have nearly empty Orkans by then. If the Orkchi just sits there in front of me firing, I can make a favorable trade. The Fujin shield regenerates a lot faster than the Haechi's. If the Orkchi jumps into my shield before firing, I'm probably toast. But my experience is that Orkchi pilots don't generally play so strategically. Sometimes it is because they don't see I'm in a Fujin before attacking; other times because who needs to worry about tactics when you're driving an OPed bot.
I'm running Punishers on my Fujin because I don't have enough Tarans for both a Plasma Fujin and PDB Griffin. I doubt Punishers are a better choice over Tarans.
That said, the Fujin is barely a speed bump when facing Bulgs with Tarans. And Shocktrains absolutely wreck me.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Nov 22, 2017 3:11:15 GMT -5
Any long/mid range setups like butch trebs and zeus fury. IMO shocktrain can kill haechi if u have shocktrain.
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Post by KillianBH04 on Nov 22, 2017 4:46:53 GMT -5
recently got my pdb griff up to lv11 and have been melting Haechis and anything else with an ancile. Carny down in less than a full plasma salvo
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 22, 2017 5:06:50 GMT -5
Fury Zeus. You can't actually take out a Haechi with a single 'F2P bot.' Zeus Gekko Natty is actually even better. Higher DPS, some extra range with the Gekkos, less gold, much cheaper to upgrade and to "mk2" (the robot, not the weapons which are exactly as expensive).
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 22, 2017 5:16:33 GMT -5
That said, the Fujin is barely a speed bump when facing Bulgs with Tarans. And Shocktrains absolutely wreck me. That's exactly the problem. You can try to counter some specific builds, but not the bunch. - Ranged weapons (Zeus, Trebs) do so-so against Dash bots in general. Many Dash whales are just terrible pilots and will not pay attention to Zeus or Trebs, but pilots that know what you're doing will dash from cover to cover, and only take the rare blast if they absolutely have to cross open space. There are some spots where you need to double dash, and Zeus will do a bit of damage, but you will avoid the worst of it.
- Close range, Orkan Dashs can be countered with strong Anciles and/or Plasma.
- Close range, Plasma Dashs can be countered with physical shields.
- Shocktrain Dashs can't be countered except with ranged weapons I guess.
Even PDB Griffin is lost against Taran Haechi, because the Haechi is actually a decent corner shooter. I run Taran Haechi on FB GR and take out a ton of Griffins because I'm more agile and can quickly get to the corners that allow me to corner shoot.
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Post by Brimstone on Nov 22, 2017 11:37:35 GMT -5
Meh, a PDB vs. Taran Haechi is a about the same as PDB vs. PDB. A lot of ppl have posted Zeus Fury, which isn't really the point of the question. I run a Zeus Carnage (I like the shield and mobility over Fury) for that reason, among others. What I'm really looking for is input on more of a "knife fighter" build vs. the Orkan Haechi. In Champion on Android, the meta has really swung to Orkan Dash bots and Tarancilots.
If I'm second man in, my 11/12s PDB can melt an Orkan Haechi quickly and come away still combat effective. It is easy to say "wait until it's engaged", etc, etc. but there are always instances where it's 1-on-1 like towards end of game, capping/defending beacons, strategic territorial defense, etc. Then, the battle becomes a crap shoot. I may win but my PDB will be 25% or less. And against a Tarancilot, the PDB is at a real disadvantage. Thus, is there a better knife fighter build against Orkan dashes and Tarancilots than a PDB?
Honestly, a Taran Rog might fair better against an Orkan Haechi with its better mobility but it's at more of a disadvantage against other shield bots - Tarancilot, Carnages, Fujins - because of the lesser firepower.
That's why I'm wondering about a Punisher Griffin. The extra 150m range (plus jump escape ability) might work well against Orkan Haechi. With the extra range and x2 dmg to shields, it'll also do well against Tarancilots, Bulgs, etc. The large clip size and sustained fire of Punishers might help finish off reds faster when they finally do get within 300m - thus making the Griff still combat effective by the end.
Can anyone confirm or dispute? I have no practical experience with Punishers. I know molots are not viable.
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 27, 2017 0:49:39 GMT -5
Against Ancilots are punishers great. Benched my punishers for Haechi and really have no experience with them against Haechi. But i intend to find out alongside with the RDB which someone said to be great at maxed level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 13:55:11 GMT -5
Yes - I know about the other anti haechi tactic thread. I'm specifically looking for thorough exp with two builds. See below. A little background: I'm a f2p player in Champion on Android (yes, it can be done). The meta is swinging back to energy based weapons, ancilots, and the orkan haechi. I've adapted my hangar to mid range support to survive against all the Mk2 and dash bot p2w players (the $$$ whales Pix so loves). My one problem is the orkan haechi (the other dashes I can handle). My Zeus Carny does okay against them IF I can stay at range, which is hard to do on tight maps. My current counter is a PDB Griffin but in a 1-on-1 I come away crippled, at best. If my jump is on cool-down, I just do the most damage I can before death. My thunder/orkan lance doesn't fare much better (usually worse). I'm working on an ember/taran Inquistor but it's taking a while with the component gathering. Ultimately, I'm thinking this bot will work well in the new meta. For now though, I'm stuck with the same ol' f2p stuff. Anyone have suggestions for a "brawler" bot that can stand up to a Orkan Haechi better than a PBD? Here are two that might but haven't tried: 1) Taran Rog 2) Punisher Griffin (mostly likely build to work, imho) Anyone have good exp. with either in Champion? Is there another build I'm missing? Hey mate, Here is my advice one Champ to another. I think you should be using Tarancilot and PDB Griffin in the same hangar. The 3.2 update has not been kind to the Thunder Orkan Lancelot. You are better off using an Orkancilot or DB Griffin in the current meta IMHO. Use the Orkancilot for Bulgasaris, Galahads and Thunder Orkan Lancelots, and use the Tarancilot for Haechis. I’m also using PDB Griffin as my anti dashbot setup and it’s doing just fine. I did have to get better at piloting it though. In my opinion there’s no better counter out there, including Zeus Fury and Taran Rog. The Fury doesn’t help hold territory on closed maps and I hate the feeling that I have no power to affect beacon control in a match. The Taran Rog is ok as a beacon capper and support to a friendly Ancilot, but should only be used in addition to the PDB Griffin IMO. I cannot see Punisher Griffin being better 1 on 1 than a PDB Griffin with equivalent levels. Anyone who argues otherwise would have an uphill battle supplying the proof of this assertion. I have two Punishers at lvl 11 and I remain very underwhelmed. Lead hose is really more of a support setup, which is not what you have asked for. The only setup that comes close to PDB Griffin is the aforementioned Tarancilot, which when used intelligently can withstand the barrage of Orkans over and over again and deal unanswered damage to an Orkan Haechi. As I said, I had to learn how to pilot my PDB more effectively. I don’t know your levels or play style, but here is what helped me: Getting the Tarans and Magnums to level 12. Not 10, not 11 - level 12. It makes a massive difference to how much Orkan fire you might otherwise absorb. Getting the bot outa there in as little time as possible really increased the effectiveness of my PDB. Level 12 Tarans are now more important than lvl 12 Orkans for any f2p Champion. Making sure I’m NEVER the Haechi’s closest target. Ok, I get it, it’s not always possible. But if you’re anything like me, I’m a little surprised at how many times I still make this error even when I do have the choice. Haechi pilots are mostly impatient and petulant children. If I give them a closer target they’ll take the easy silver, then I can jump (preferably across L or R) and counter them while they are distracted and have used their dash. Being STRICT about staying between 300 and 350 metres. Again, it’s an easy mistake to make even if I lose concentration just for a small moment. The extra 50m range advantage needs to be utilised wherever possible. I also try to save my jump to evade diagonally away from a Haechi if they dash me. Approaching the targeted Haechi from cover and being PATIENT. I started to notice that if a Haechi saw I was running a PDB, they would prioritise me as a target. It became all the more important for me to conceal my setup until the Haechi was in range. Sometimes I have to stay there until the Haechi gets distracted, uses a dash, or a blue teammate comes along to assist. Sometimes it’s better to let him guard that beacon for 20 more seconds, wait for a mistake or disadvantage and then capitalise. Using MORE THAN ONE plasma setup in the same hangar. I love Orkans. I run 6 of them in every match I play. But now that we are seeing 5 Haechi hangars after the 3.2 update, I realised my two Tarans were not gonna cut it. I upgraded another pair and run them on my Ancilot as I said previously. That way if my PDB gets smoked (and let’s face it, sometimes it will) I have another plasma bot I can jump in to finish the job and reclaim that vital beacon from that Haechi scum. You often need at least two hard hitting plasma setups in your hangar to thrive in the current meta. Those are my thoughts. Hope there’s something in there you may find useful. DV My main anti-Haechi bot is the Taran Galahad. Also use other plasma set-ups like Taran Rogatka or Ancilot. I find the Galahad the most balanced since there are many Ancilots I need to counter, so plasma Griffin is no go, and Ancilot vs Ancilot is boring. I usually beat Orkan Haechis that underestimate me, so I need to bait them. Then outrun or dodge their Orkans. There aren't many Galahad users out there, so I don't think they can test their tactics against me to counter. But yes, I do need to change my play style a bit. In other words, my Galahad fights them way more than they fight against Galahads so I have the edge since I know what to do. Taran Rogatka is another good one, but requires different play style. This bot can take on 2 Orkan Kbots, for me Kumiho and Haechi. Just dance around and take pot shots. For the most part, I don't have a problem taking out the Kbots. They take more skill to counter, but are doable with legacy bots. I still only have legacy bots. Maybe the first week they came out I had trouble, but I quickly adjusted being a Master player. This post is old, but the Kbot users are trying new setups since Tarans counter them easily. So the meta is constantly changing. I'm seeing more Taran Haechis most likely to counter the plasma Griffins, so the cycle will continue. Users will not change what works unless they are dying a lot from them, so take that as a sign that they are beatable. Overall, the Bulgogi is a better counter to plasma, so I currently see a very mixed hanger for the Whales. Plus Kbots have very predictable attack angles, so Champion pilots are starting to use that to their advantage to counter them.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 27, 2017 14:09:43 GMT -5
There are a few:
Against Haechi- Zeus Fury is really good Taran Ancilot is good PDB griff is good Taran rog is ok Zeus Carnage is ok
Against a Bulgasari- RDB Griff is good Trident Fury is very good DB Griff is very good PDB is ok if cover is available Thunder orkan lance is good Thunder carnage is ok Orkan rog is ok
Against Kumiho-All of the above.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 14:14:22 GMT -5
Meh, a PDB vs. Taran Haechi is a about the same as PDB vs. PDB. A lot of ppl have posted Zeus Fury, which isn't really the point of the question. I run a Zeus Carnage (I like the shield and mobility over Fury) for that reason, among others. What I'm really looking for is input on more of a "knife fighter" build vs. the Orkan Haechi. In Champion on Android, the meta has really swung to Orkan Dash bots and Tarancilots. If I'm second man in, my 11/12s PDB can melt an Orkan Haechi quickly and come away still combat effective. It is easy to say "wait until it's engaged", etc, etc. but there are always instances where it's 1-on-1 like towards end of game, capping/defending beacons, strategic territorial defense, etc. Then, the battle becomes a crap shoot. I may win but my PDB will be 25% or less. And against a Tarancilot, the PDB is at a real disadvantage. Thus, is there a better knife fighter build against Orkan dashes and Tarancilots than a PDB? Honestly, a Taran Rog might fair better against an Orkan Haechi with its better mobility but it's at more of a disadvantage against other shield bots - Tarancilot, Carnages, Fujins - because of the lesser firepower. That's why I'm wondering about a Punisher Griffin. The extra 150m range (plus jump escape ability) might work well against Orkan Haechi. With the extra range and x2 dmg to shields, it'll also do well against Tarancilots, Bulgs, etc. The large clip size and sustained fire of Punishers might help finish off reds faster when they finally do get within 300m - thus making the Griff still combat effective by the end. Can anyone confirm or dispute? I have no practical experience with Punishers. I know molots are not viable. Read my post above. Yes, I 1v1 Galahad vs Kbot and can come away with 100% health. Not all the time, but if I play carefully. Shhhh! Don't want this to get out. Many will disagree, Champions included, and that's fine. More proof that the Galahad is underestimated and how I beat them. I am actually thinking about 2 Galahads for this reason. I saw another hanger with 2 of 'em. I had the same thought pattern as you. Taran Rogatka is good here, but weak against physical shields. Ancilot is ok against both, but slow as end game piece. Griffin needs to be well played against both, and many more Griffin pilots out there so Kbot pilots know how to counter.
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Post by Brimstone on Nov 27, 2017 15:36:11 GMT -5
Hey Mac,
I used to run two Gals and it was a favorite before the kbots, so I agree on the overall utility. And the meta has divided into more Taran Haechi's so ... I dusted off a Plasmahad and it's in the current hangar. The Plasmahad is good against Tarancilots and energy kbots but still suffers against Orkan variety kbots and Lances. Yes, you can dodge to a degree even with the backpedal "bug" fix, but it's still a losing battle. And you need SPACE. The smaller maps and Dreadnought cater to the kbots, limiting the maneuverability/escape ability of the Gals.
For now, I think the Plasmahad is here to stay as it helps with all the Zeus's running around again.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 27, 2017 15:46:10 GMT -5
Meh, a PDB vs. Taran Haechi is a about the same as PDB vs. PDB. A lot of ppl have posted Zeus Fury, which isn't really the point of the question. I run a Zeus Carnage (I like the shield and mobility over Fury) for that reason, among others. What I'm really looking for is input on more of a "knife fighter" build vs. the Orkan Haechi. In Champion on Android, the meta has really swung to Orkan Dash bots and Tarancilots. If I'm second man in, my 11/12s PDB can melt an Orkan Haechi quickly and come away still combat effective. It is easy to say "wait until it's engaged", etc, etc. but there are always instances where it's 1-on-1 like towards end of game, capping/defending beacons, strategic territorial defense, etc. Then, the battle becomes a crap shoot. I may win but my PDB will be 25% or less. And against a Tarancilot, the PDB is at a real disadvantage. Thus, is there a better knife fighter build against Orkan dashes and Tarancilots than a PDB? Honestly, a Taran Rog might fair better against an Orkan Haechi with its better mobility but it's at more of a disadvantage against other shield bots - Tarancilot, Carnages, Fujins - because of the lesser firepower. That's why I'm wondering about a Punisher Griffin. The extra 150m range (plus jump escape ability) might work well against Orkan Haechi. With the extra range and x2 dmg to shields, it'll also do well against Tarancilots, Bulgs, etc. The large clip size and sustained fire of Punishers might help finish off reds faster when they finally do get within 300m - thus making the Griff still combat effective by the end. Can anyone confirm or dispute? I have no practical experience with Punishers. I know molots are not viable. Read my post above. Yes, I 1v1 Galahad vs Kbot and can come away with 100% health. Not all the time, but if I play carefully. Shhhh! Don't want this to get out. Many will disagree, Champions included, and that's fine. More proof that the Galahad is underestimated and how I beat them. I am actually thinking about 2 Galahads for this reason. I saw another hanger with 2 of 'em. I had the same thought pattern as you. Taran Rogatka is good here, but weak against physical shields. Ancilot is ok against both, but slow as end game piece. Griffin needs to be well played against both, and many more Griffin pilots out there so Kbot pilots know how to counter. Do you ever record matches? I’d love to see a Plasmahad successfully 1v1 an Ork Haechi. Sounds incredible.
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