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Post by livevil on Nov 20, 2017 2:36:32 GMT -5
This is my first post and I hope Pixo reads it works towards this idea.
Some time ago you did a Save the Rhino challenge. I saw a lot of Rhinos back on the battlefield including mine. They were fun and very powerful back in a day. Now a Galahad or Gareth can take it out easily not to mention any of the dash bots. If you really want to save the Rhino then give it full mobility in assault mode. This will give it a chance when any of the new bots are flanking it. The Gareth and Galahad can still use all their weapons while their shield is in front they just lose their speed. The Rhino loses 85% of its mobility and 65% of its weapon strength while in assault mode. (Percentages are approx.)
Please try it on on the test server to see how this affects the game play.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 2:42:21 GMT -5
The Gareth and the Galahad have no chance against a properly armed Rhino (DB).
Anyway, I run a DB Rhino in Expert 1 and it's good, not a top bot but I really like it.
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Post by livevil on Nov 20, 2017 2:49:51 GMT -5
And how much better would it be if you could have full movement.
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Post by ironstar on Nov 20, 2017 3:36:35 GMT -5
I also run a DB Rhino in Expert. I find it to be very nicely balanced (except against dashes but then nothing is). It can get very fast from A to B and you will quickly get the hang of maneuvering it in assault mode. Drive it like a trailer truck with wide swings. It is fantastic against energy weapons since the shield can absorb a lot of damage and the Rhino will melt most bots with the DB setup. Was unparalelled at getting into an enemy ancile bubble and unloading (dashes much better at this of course, notice a pattern?). There are a number of counters to this bot however which is how it should be. But in the right situation it is a beast.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 20, 2017 3:42:54 GMT -5
While I think it should not get full movement, allowing the torso to turn in assault would be a huge benefit. Guess that would be a larger change though, with the way you currently turn the Rhino in assault (you basically steer the bot by (trying to) steering the torso). The biggest downside of the Rhino right now is IMO it's inability to monitor what is happening at its sides while in assault.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 20, 2017 3:49:47 GMT -5
The biggest downside of the Rhino right now is IMO it's inability to monitor what is happening at its sides while in assault. It's not very hard to (optionally) first slightly turn the opposite way to pre-compensate, then quickly turn camera for a glance to the side, and back.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 20, 2017 3:53:36 GMT -5
Rhino is far superior to both Galahad and Gareth today. Combination of speed, HP and firepower just overcomes agility and shield of Gala and Gary. Note that I don't list the shield itself as advantage of Rhino; it just isn't useful as a shield very often.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Nov 20, 2017 4:25:27 GMT -5
Rhino is far superior to both Galahad and Gareth today. Combination of speed, HP and firepower just overcomes agility and shield of Gala and Gary. Note that I don't list the shield itself as advantage of Rhino; it just isn't useful as a shield very often. Still always a chance of finding a lonely Tarancilot out there. Nothing better
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 20, 2017 4:50:20 GMT -5
The biggest downside of the Rhino right now is IMO it's inability to monitor what is happening at its sides while in assault. It's not very hard to (optionally) first slightly turn the opposite way to pre-compensate, then quickly turn camera for a glance to the side, and back. Thanks! That's something I definitely need to try! If that works, it's a huge benefit!
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Post by 7iquid on Nov 20, 2017 8:53:04 GMT -5
My money would be on the Rhino in a 1vs1 mainly because of firepower.
Gareth and Galahads are great bots but 2x orkans vs 1, or same for Tarans. Rhino should have the advantage.
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Post by Domino on Nov 20, 2017 10:07:09 GMT -5
Rhino doesn't need much, the speed buff kept it in the game longer. The only thing I would want is instant or near instant ability. 2 seconds can mean a big difference in a fire fight.
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Post by Domino on Nov 20, 2017 10:28:55 GMT -5
My money would be on the Rhino in a 1vs1 mainly because of firepower. Gareth and Galahads are great bots but 2x orkans vs 1, or same for Tarans. Rhino should have the advantage. Rhino's just have more HP and firepower ftw. If Rhino needed anything, it's HP buff to align with all the other HP buffs that have been happening. I'd rather the Rhino get a 0 sec cooldown first but a small HP bump wouldn't hurt.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 20, 2017 11:47:01 GMT -5
I feel like I’m missing something.
I’m sorry but if one is having a hard time taking out ANY Brit Bots with a DB Rhino, they are piloting it wrong. That should be an easy task.
Also, I don’t see Rhinos as needing “saving”. I see MANY Rhinos still on the battlefield. All the way up into Expert. Above that, you might not see them but you also won’t see much of ANYTHING other than Dash, Inquisitor, Lance & Griff. Nothing is going to change that. Not with the direction the game has gone.
Don’t get me wrong. I love my Rhino and I applaud your effort for wanting to keep them relevant but I feel like they totally are still already.
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 20, 2017 12:29:54 GMT -5
The Gareth and the Galahad have no chance against a properly armed Rhino (DB). Anyway, I run a DB Rhino in Expert 1 and it's good, not a top bot but I really like it. Stay out of range? That is the beauty of the shielded Robots. Death buttons are short range, so just stay out of range. A Gareth especially should be able to backpedal and work down a DB Rhino with Punishers. I feel like I’m missing something. I’m sorry but if one is having a hard time taking out ANY Brit Bots with a DB Rhino, they are piloting it wrong. That should be an easy task. Also, I don’t see Rhinos as needing “saving”. I see MANY Rhinos still on the battlefield. All the way up into Expert. Above that, you might not see them but you also won’t see much of ANYTHING other than Dash, Inquisitor, Lance & Griff. Nothing is going to change that. Not with the direction the game has gone. Don’t get me wrong. I love my Rhino and I applaud your effort for wanting to keep them relevant but I feel like they totally are still already. I disagree with this, in the fact the Gareth pilot is piloting wrong if he allows a DB Rhino to come within 300m of him. Now there are a variety of reasons why the Gareth is bad and the Rhino is much better, but in a 1vs1 situation without Beacons or time to consider, a Gareth with longer range only loses if he misplays. I also believe the Rhino needs saving. His roll was already quite niche before the Dash Robots were released, but they are faster and much more mobile, just as durable, and bring more firepower to the table. The robot is completely obsolete at the moment and not worth buying.
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Post by Deadeye on Nov 20, 2017 12:43:05 GMT -5
I pilot a hellfire rhino (orkans/magnums) in champion league iOS and find it more than adequate for the role I have it play. It doesn't dominate in all situations, but if you learn the strengths and weaknesses, it can be a wonderful bot. The 2 buffs it received some months ago (speed and turret turning speed) have made it very playable. The shield is super durable and can be wonderful with all the plasma out there right now intended to counter dash bots. Also, the 2 medium hard points are high on the bot allowing them to shoot over some cover, which is a small advantage over the comparably armed Griffin.
It's especially useful on maps that are long (Yam) or have narrow corridors to exploit (Valley and Power Plant and to a certain extent, Dead City and Canyon. Use cover nearby on your flanks to add additional protection. It is a high skill bot that (at least since the buff) rewards those that take the time to learn it.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 20, 2017 13:14:59 GMT -5
The Gareth and the Galahad have no chance against a properly armed Rhino (DB). Anyway, I run a DB Rhino in Expert 1 and it's good, not a top bot but I really like it. Stay out of range? That is the beauty of the shielded Robots. Death buttons are short range, so just stay out of range. A Gareth especially should be able to backpedal and work down a DB Rhino with Punishers. I feel like I’m missing something. I’m sorry but if one is having a hard time taking out ANY Brit Bots with a DB Rhino, they are piloting it wrong. That should be an easy task. Also, I don’t see Rhinos as needing “saving”. I see MANY Rhinos still on the battlefield. All the way up into Expert. Above that, you might not see them but you also won’t see much of ANYTHING other than Dash, Inquisitor, Lance & Griff. Nothing is going to change that. Not with the direction the game has gone. Don’t get me wrong. I love my Rhino and I applaud your effort for wanting to keep them relevant but I feel like they totally are still already. I disagree with this, in the fact the Gareth pilot is piloting wrong if he allows a DB Rhino to come within 300m of him. Now there are a variety of reasons why the Gareth is bad and the Rhino is much better, but in a 1vs1 situation without Beacons or time to consider, a Gareth with longer range only loses if he misplays. I also believe the Rhino needs saving. His roll was already quite niche before the Dash Robots were released, but they are faster and much more mobile, just as durable, and bring more firepower to the table. The robot is completely obsolete at the moment and not worth buying. Okay well, we can agree to disagree about the second part ??. As for the first, allow me to clarify. My thoughts were a bit limited there due to this statement the OP made: I should not have said “if a Rhino pilot is having a hard time taking out any Brit Bot...” What I meant to imply was “if a Rhino pilot lets a Brit Bot take THE RHINO out. That’s my mistake. I was limiting my thoughts to “it had to be one or the other” You are correct. A good Gary pilot should be able to avoid and/or keep distance to stay alive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:29:38 GMT -5
The Gareth and the Galahad have no chance against a properly armed Rhino (DB). Anyway, I run a DB Rhino in Expert 1 and it's good, not a top bot but I really like it. Stay out of range? That is the beauty of the shielded Robots. Death buttons are short range, so just stay out of range. A Gareth especially should be able to backpedal and work down a DB Rhino with Punishers. How can a Galahad stay out of range? It's noticeably slower than a Rhino. The Gareth could, of course, but if you are in a Rhino you simply don't try to engage a light bot if it has enough space to outrun you. Regarding Punishers, they are good in the open but the Rhino is fast enough to take cover and I wouldn't just stay there taking shots! What I tried to say is that is difficult for Gareths and Galahads to take out a Rhino because the only advantage they can have (range) can be easily nullified if you pilot your Rhino well.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 20, 2017 14:55:28 GMT -5
Rhino is far superior to both Galahad and Gareth today. Combination of speed, HP and firepower just overcomes agility and shield of Gala and Gary. Note that I don't list the shield itself as advantage of Rhino; it just isn't useful as a shield very often. Still always a chance of finding a lonely Tarancilot out there. Nothing better Agreed. I hate being in my Ancilot and having to fight a Galahad. I hate having to fight a Rhino, especially a DB Rhino. A Rhino shield is to me useless when you are fighting Tulus, Pinatas and Orkans. Otherwise very useful against Trebs, Zeus (lots of them out there these days), Scourge (more of them out there). I ran my DB Rhino for so long and held off converting to a DB Griff. Finally I realized the jump of the Griff outweighed the shield and speed of the Rhino for how I wanted to play.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 20, 2017 17:05:17 GMT -5
1/2 or 1/4 speed side stepping and it would be a game changer.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 20, 2017 22:14:51 GMT -5
a bit of speed buff when the shield/sail is down would be nice ... especially for side-stepping,
other than that, Rhino is just fine,
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