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Post by iamgoot on Nov 19, 2017 4:44:58 GMT -5
Hey guys.
Not sure if this is gonna be one of those posts where everyone is like "welcome to the party..your late..this has been happening for ages" but it's a Sunday and im feeling lucky.
Anywho have people noticed the daily offers screw you over when you nearly complete a components list. I had been collecting components via WSP for a Bulg and was getting daily offers of 480 components...however now I have 9120 it has changed and I now only get 120 but the cost is the same because it will give me 1200 scourge components as well (already have 3 of them).
I have also noticed on my other android account on my tablet I get offers to buy dash bots outright for gold and they cost just over 10k gold
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Post by eco on Nov 19, 2017 5:05:32 GMT -5
No one really knows how the offers are placed
The 10k au offer is for inactive accounts and you probably don't have 10k au there.
I noticed a change in the offers as well. Before there were no wsp offers for heachi. Now there are. It looks like the daily offers change from time to,time. It does not seem to be tied how many components you have. Just wait and you get good offers for you again.
I personally don't like gambling. Therefore I don't buy the daily deals until I can get the bot immediately. Since it is not clear where the game is heading to I also stopped spending money.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 19, 2017 5:08:53 GMT -5
I don't know about that. I used to think the same when the offers for the haeci dropped to only 120 components once I reached 70% completion, but the last couple of days I've had 360 components offers again.
Then I remembered that the first days, when people were with their attention pretty high and were comparing, the offers were the same for all payers and I never read of them having been "tailored" afterwards (were they?), so it might be perception bias.
For instance, today I bought one with the haeci components which I don't remember what it was coupled with, and I have left:
180 kum, 140 bul for 1900 wsp 240 ember, 480 tempest for 1900 wsp 140 scourge, 140 bul for 3600 wsp 180 kum, 240 ember for 500 au 120 inq, 480 temp for 500 au
If they are still the same for you, then nope, they aren't screwing you, or us (well, not more than usual, that is)
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Post by Cjax on Nov 19, 2017 6:00:10 GMT -5
If those are your deals right now, they are very different from mine. Last 2 days I've only gotten 6 deals instead of 8, 2 for wsp and 4 for au. No Haechi wsp deals in 2 days. The Haechi is at 360 components/deal and scourge is at 1430/deal. I have:
240 Ember, 480 Tempest-1900 wsp 1430 Scourge, 140 Bulg-3800 wsp 360 Haechi, 240 Shocktrain-700 au 180 Kumi, 240 Ember-500 au 120 Inquisitor, 480 Tempest-500 au 360 Haechi, 1430 Scourge-1700 au
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 19, 2017 6:04:17 GMT -5
They don't screw you. The best offers for an item last about a week. Then the next item has it's best offers. Right now the Haechi and Scourge are. Haechi offering 360 and Scourge 1430. It's a cycle that's easy to see now. Next weapon up is Tempest I think. Then Ember again at 710. Then back to Shocktrain at 710. I haven't been following the bot offer as I only want the Haechi but they rotate like the weapons. I'm close to getting an Ember so waiting for the 710 offers but will take the 240 offers in the meantime if they include a Haechi. The Haechi offers I take if the secondary is an Ember, Shocktrain and even a Scourge 1430 offer as even though Scourge rocks and I have 3, hoping one day to get a Doc to put 4 on him.
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Post by eluray on Nov 19, 2017 6:09:05 GMT -5
180 kum, 140 bul for 1900 wsp 240 ember, 480 tempest for 1900 wsp 140 scourge, 140 bul for 3600 wsp 180 kum, 240 ember for 500 au 120 inq, 480 temp for 500 au You probably bought 360 hitachi 14?0 scourge for 1300 au thats what missing compared to my offers
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 19, 2017 6:12:45 GMT -5
Right, that was it. So, if everyone still has the same offers, we should conclude that the OP is wrong about the system purposefully offering low components on the objects close to completion.
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 19, 2017 6:14:26 GMT -5
They don't screw you. The best offers for an item last about a week. Then the next item has it's best offers. Right now the Haechi and Scourge are. Haechi offering 360 and Scourge 1430. It's a cycle that's easy to see now. Next weapon up is Tempest I think. Then Ember again at 710. Then back to Shocktrain at 710. I haven't been following the bot offer as I only want the Haechi but they rotate like the weapons. I'm close to getting an Ember so waiting for the 710 offers but will take the 240 offers in the meantime if they include a Haechi. The Haechi offers I take if the secondary is an Ember, Shocktrain and even a Scourge 1430 offer as even though Scourge rocks and I have 3, hoping one day to get a Doc to put 4 on him. Thanks for the heads up..i thought I was being screwed over...which is easy to think given current affairs
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Post by Cjax on Nov 19, 2017 6:17:36 GMT -5
If you guys are getting more than 2 wsp deals for the last two days then they are different than mine. Edited my post above to show deals I have right now (from yesterday)
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 19, 2017 6:35:00 GMT -5
If you guys are getting more than 2 wsp deals for the last two days then they are different than mine. Edited my post above to show deals I have right now (from yesterday) I have 4 WSP deals and 4 Gold deals
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Post by Cjax on Nov 19, 2017 6:52:25 GMT -5
If you guys are getting more than 2 wsp deals for the last two days then they are different than mine. Edited my post above to show deals I have right now (from yesterday) I have 4 WSP deals and 4 Gold deals And there you go. 2 days in a row only 6 deals and I'm 80% to a Haechi and suddenly when they go to 360/deal all the wsp offers for it disappear. I'm gonna leave this alone for now, I'll post back in about 9 hours when the deals reset with what my new ones are.
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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 10:45:37 GMT -5
Congratulations on almost having a Haechi, OP.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 19, 2017 12:25:41 GMT -5
In case it helps, here’s what offers I have now (I think I took one WSP already last night and can’t remember what it was). I’m ios E2 with about 6k shocktrain, 4500 Haechi , and 2k Bulg and Scourge components.
Ku 180 / Bu 140 = 1900 wsp Em 240 / Tp 480 = 1900 wsp Sc 1430 / Bu 140 = 3600 wsp Ha 360 / Sh 240 = 700 Au Ku 180 / Em 240 = 500 Au In 120 / Tp 480 = 500 Au Ha 360 / Sc 1430 = 1300 Au
Update 11/19 3:30 PM CT
In 120 / Ku 180 = 2900 wsp Bu 140 / Tp 480 = 1800 wsp In 120 / Sh 240 = 2300 wsp Sc 1430 / Bu 140 = 3600 wsp Ha 360 / Sh 240 = 700 Au Ku 180 / Bu 140 = 500 Au Em 240 / Tp 480 = 500 Au Sc 1430 / Bu 140 = 1000 Au
Update 11/20:
Sh 240 / Ha 360 = 2800 wsp Em 240 / Ku 180 = 2000 wsp In 120 / Tp 480 = 1900 wsp Ha 360 / Sc 1430 = 4900 wsp In 120 / Sh 240 = 400 Au Ha 360 / Em 240 = 800 Au Ha 360 / Ku 180 = 900 Au Tp 480 / Sc 1430 = 1000 Au.
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Post by DBCooper on Nov 19, 2017 12:54:28 GMT -5
When looking for differences in the daily deals, it would be useful to include which platform you're seeing them on. I run an android account and an ios one; and I've seen 6 offers on one / 8 on the other a few times, with many of the offers in common between the two. I haven't kept close track, but I do know the android and ios offers aren't always the same.
My current offers on ios are identical to hi5 above.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 19, 2017 13:24:36 GMT -5
It happened to me, but I'm sure it was anecdotal. They probably just have a long cycle of predetermined offers.
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Post by eluray on Nov 19, 2017 13:56:54 GMT -5
Interresting, all posted offers are very simillar but for sure i didnt have the Hitachi-Shock offer today ... so they are close but not exactly the same for everyone
Side question, anyone only had 3 offers about 4 days ago ?
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 19, 2017 13:57:17 GMT -5
Yeah I run android so it does look random then. I hate all this component stuff...i was lucky and won a Haechi in the only gold chest I opened. After the Bulg I think I won't focus on anything and just see what happens
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Post by T34 on Nov 19, 2017 17:07:39 GMT -5
They don't screw you. The best offers for an item last about a week. Then the next item has it's best offers. Right now the Haechi and Scourge are. Haechi offering 360 and Scourge 1430. It's a cycle that's easy to see now. Next weapon up is Tempest I think. Then Ember again at 710. Then back to Shocktrain at 710. I haven't been following the bot offer as I only want the Haechi but they rotate like the weapons. I'm close to getting an Ember so waiting for the 710 offers but will take the 240 offers in the meantime if they include a Haechi. The Haechi offers I take if the secondary is an Ember, Shocktrain and even a Scourge 1430 offer as even though Scourge rocks and I have 3, hoping one day to get a Doc to put 4 on him. I think the offers are cyclic rather than targeted. By making them cyclic they delay the time for assembly and make people buy components that they would not have bought otherwise. Sort of depletes your WSP reserves and gold faster. If a person really wants an item than they will pay more for it during the low component cycle.
What I have been doing is looking for the big component deals while excluding anything with scourges, kumis and tempests (as much as I can). Sort of shying away from the ember as well since the rumour that the xmass event will be giving away embers via the event task chain and I already have over 80% of one ember. So just buy when the high component offer cycle is in and ignore when its not.
All the pricing mechanisms are about price vs time now. How desperate is a person for having an item. More desperate the more they will pay. I would say this is the order from quickest (most expensive) to slowest (least expensive). Please note there are lots of variables which could increase the list below but for the illustration of the most common approaches it will do:
1. Outright buy (no need to hang around for the Casino Royal offer) 2. Casino Royal (fast once the offer comes up) 3. Top up components already in bank with components from Casino Royal 4. Buy every component offer associated with a targeted item (gold and WSP) 5. Buy every component offer associated with a targeted item (WSP) 5. Buy every large component offer associated with a targeted item (WSP) 6. Buy large component offers only from WSPs collected via silver conversions
Rough pricing comparison. In AUS pricing a haechi is worth $360. Haechi is used for the example. And please note again there are so many variables and assumption that a full listing of options with justifications would take too long. so the highlights.
1. $360 2. $320 (2x14000 gold – as that should get you a haechi from 3 spins). if not than only slightly less than above. 3. Too many variables but cheaper than any of the above 4. Too many variable but cheaper than any of the above provided you don’t constantly pick up 120 Haechi with like 1400 scourge or tempests 5. Assumption that 2000WSP will buy 360 Haechi components. Maths briefly: 10,000/360 = 28. You will need to convert roughly 298 gold per day for WSP (total of 2130 daily). 288x28Convert = 8,344 Au 6. Cost of silver. Assumption 2000WSP will buy 360 Haechi components). 2000x28 =56,000 WSP. 56,000 WSPs = 22M silver. But note the time frame would be huge!
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 19, 2017 18:06:21 GMT -5
Congratulations on almost having a Haechi, OP. I don't know which thought is scarier. Everybody running the same no-skill OP stuff even in lower league (as everybody gets it through components), or just some guys tanking/clubbing in almost every game. Lose-lose I guess.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 19, 2017 18:06:48 GMT -5
FWIW taking the deals, including todays I'm less than 4000 components away from a Haechi. So it's easily within reach for me. Also got a 200 components prize from a silver chest earlier so that helped. Definitely you can win stuff with components. Within a month I'll have the Haechi and the Ember. Also want a 4th Scourge.
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Post by bokongsemox on Nov 19, 2017 19:29:30 GMT -5
i see offer for wsp is gone completely in andeoid.
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Post by T34 on Nov 19, 2017 20:31:03 GMT -5
FWIW taking the deals, including todays I'm less than 4000 components away from a Haechi. So it's easily within reach for me. Also got a 200 components prize from a silver chest earlier so that helped. Definitely you can win stuff with components. Within a month I'll have the Haechi and the Ember. Also want a 4th Scourge. why a fourth scourge?
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 19, 2017 20:47:34 GMT -5
I don't have enough workshop points to buy any of WP offers...I may shell out some 3000 Au for gold offers.
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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 21:12:42 GMT -5
I don't have enough workshop points to buy any of WP offers...I may shell out some 3000 Au for gold offers. Convert some gold each day to wsp. It's a more efficient use of it. Not sure where the break even point is, but you can do several trades that are at or near 10:1.
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 19, 2017 21:22:53 GMT -5
I don't have enough workshop points to buy any of WP offers...I may shell out some 3000 Au for gold offers. Convert some gold each day to wsp. It's a more efficient use of it. Not sure where the break even point is, but you can do several trades that are at or near 10:1. How do you convert it...I looked into and could not find it. All I could find is gold to silver? Is it just purchasing them on the far right?
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Post by Cjax on Nov 19, 2017 21:23:17 GMT -5
I got all 8 offers today. No help though, still no wsp offers for Haechi. I said screw Pixonic and bought the ultimate dash counter, a Zeus Fury. Only had enough for the fury and 2 Zeuses. By the time I get the third one these should be nicely leveled on a carnage or Natty. Especially if the update with the video bs gets dropped.
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Post by Cjax on Nov 19, 2017 21:29:24 GMT -5
Convert some gold each day to wsp. It's a more efficient use of it. Not sure where the break even point is, but you can do several trades that are at or near 10:1. How do you convert it...I looked into and could not find it. All I could find is gold to silver? in the workshop page where you get the 40 free wsp per day. Next is 60 for 5au, then the price goes up from there.
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 19, 2017 21:31:58 GMT -5
How do you convert it...I looked into and could not find it. All I could find is gold to silver? in the workshop page where you get the 40 free wsp per day. Next is 60 for 5au, then the price goes up from there. So 12 WP for 1 gold...3000 gold should net some 46000WP. Correct? or WP increases as you go up in purchase? Just purchase some and stopped at the last 2 steps....
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Post by T34 on Nov 19, 2017 21:58:07 GMT -5
I don't have enough workshop points to buy any of WP offers...I may shell out some 3000 Au for gold offers. Convert some gold each day to wsp. It's a more efficient use of it. Not sure where the break even point is, but you can do several trades that are at or near 10:1. Roughly, a 2000 WSP bundle is offered for 500 Au (same bundle). Once you convert 110 Au for 410 WSPs you are better off with the gold offer in terms of value. Therefore, the sweet spot is at 188 Au converted per day. Stopping conversions with 45 au for 250WSPs. Only convert more if you are determined to pick up both the WSP and Au offers simultaneously hence foregoing optimal conversions for time. The issue is that 188 Au per day only gives you 1720 WSPs which means that the WSP stockpile will be trending down as most WSP offers are above 1900.
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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 21:59:15 GMT -5
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