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Post by amidf on Nov 19, 2017 22:01:20 GMT -5
Convert some gold each day to wsp. It's a more efficient use of it. Not sure where the break even point is, but you can do several trades that are at or near 10:1. Roughly, a 2000 WSP bundle is offered for 500 Au (same bundle). Once you convert 110 Au for 410 WSPs you are better off with the gold offer in terms of value. Therefore, the sweet spot is at 188 Au converted per day. Stopping conversions with 45 au for 250WSPs. Only convert more if you are determined to pick up both the WSP and Au offers simultaneously hence foregoing optimal conversions for time. The issue is that 188 Au per day only gives you 1720 WSPs which means that the WSP stockpile will be trending down as most WSP offers are above 1900. Good analysis. I only do one component offer for wsp probably every other day (only interested in Haechi), so some limited gold conversion slows the bleeding.
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 19, 2017 22:13:22 GMT -5
Just tried it this time, as of tomorrow I will only use 25 gold and keep on making WP. I am interested in ember x 2 and haechi. Shocktrain will be nerfed by 50% and still in 2 minds of getting 1 or 2.
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Post by T34 on Nov 19, 2017 22:17:55 GMT -5
Roughly, a 2000 WSP bundle is offered for 500 Au (same bundle). Once you convert 110 Au for 410 WSPs you are better off with the gold offer in terms of value. Therefore, the sweet spot is at 188 Au converted per day. Stopping conversions with 45 au for 250WSPs. Only convert more if you are determined to pick up both the WSP and Au offers simultaneously hence foregoing optimal conversions for time. The issue is that 188 Au per day only gives you 1720 WSPs which means that the WSP stockpile will be trending down as most WSP offers are above 1900. Good analysis. I only do one component offer for wsp probably every other day (only interested in Haechi), so some limited gold conversion slows the bleeding. The fewer gold you convert the cheaper your Haechi will be. But it will take a long time. Buying 120 components at 1900 WSPs every second day will take 167 days and will require you to convert 25 Au per day. You would also be aided by building up a bit of a stockpile for occasions when the 360 component offers comes up. Also worth considering letting the Haechi offer pass when its bundled disproportionately (eg, 120 Haechi and 1400 Tempest).
There is no easy win here. Here is a poorly formatted table I used. Just dump it into xls and create columns for the values field using spaces .
WSP Buy Au Cumilative WSP Cumilative Au Daily WSP Ratio (WSP/AU) Conv ratio 60 5 60 5 610 122.0 122.0 80 8 140 13 690 86.3 53.1 110 12 250 25 800 66.7 32.0 150 19 400 44 950 50.0 21.6 200 29 600 73 1,150 39.7 15.8 250 45 850 118 1,400 31.1 11.9 320 70 1170 188 1,720 24.6 9.1 410 110 1580 298 2,130 19.4 7.1 520 170 2100 468 2,650 15.6 5.7 610 260 2710 728 3,260 12.5 4.5 720 400 3430 1128 3,980 10.0 3.5 840 620 4270 1748 4,820 7.8 2.8
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Post by T34 on Nov 19, 2017 22:22:02 GMT -5
Just tried it this time, as of tomorrow I will only use 25 gold and keep on making WP. I am interested in ember x 2 and haechi. Shocktrain will be nerfed by 50% and still in 2 minds of getting 1 or 2. Will take you ages to get an ember. Been collecting it and shock trains aggressively since the start and only up to about 80% of each. I think a good strategy is to let the small offers go by and wait for the 700 component offers. gold or WSP just pick em up when they are presented.
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Post by snk on Nov 20, 2017 7:35:30 GMT -5
I think the amount of components change every few days, when components hit iOS. Heachi was offered ~420 (can’t remember the exact number) for few days, then 120 components for few days (or a week), then 320 now. I believe Bulgasari will be the same, if you tight on resources? Pass the 120 deals now, may be next week a better deals for Bulgasari will come. 120 is the worse deal.
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 20, 2017 9:51:32 GMT -5
I got all 8 offers today. No help though, still no wsp offers for Haechi. I said screw Pixonic and bought the ultimate dash counter, a Zeus Fury. Only had enough for the fury and 2 Zeuses. By the time I get the third one these should be nicely leveled on a carnage or Natty. Especially if the update with the video bs gets dropped. I got 3 Haechi deals today
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 20, 2017 9:52:18 GMT -5
Which platform? because, on android, I got none.
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Post by danny on Nov 20, 2017 10:29:36 GMT -5
No one really knows how the offers are placed The 10k au offer is for inactive accounts and you probably don't have 10k au there. I noticed a change in the offers as well. Before there were no wsp offers for heachi. Now there are. It looks like the daily offers change from time to,time. It does not seem to be tied how many components you have. Just wait and you get good offers for you again. I personally don't like gambling. Therefore I don't buy the daily deals until I can get the bot immediately. Since it is not clear where the game is heading to I also stopped spending money. I don't understand. How can the daily deals be considered gambling? You buy and you get. Does not involve chance.
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Post by moolamu on Nov 20, 2017 10:41:40 GMT -5
No one really knows how the offers are placed The 10k au offer is for inactive accounts and you probably don't have 10k au there. I noticed a change in the offers as well. Before there were no wsp offers for heachi. Now there are. It looks like the daily offers change from time to,time. It does not seem to be tied how many components you have. Just wait and you get good offers for you again. I personally don't like gambling. Therefore I don't buy the daily deals until I can get the bot immediately. Since it is not clear where the game is heading to I also stopped spending money. I don't understand. How can the daily deals be considered gambling? You buy and you get. Does not involve chance. It isn't gambling per se, but you are betting on Pixonic not to con you. You are buying a fraction of a product hoping the seller doesn't suddenly jack the price up when you really need the rest of it. On principle, this is only better than getting hooked on cocaine in the sense that once you get 10000 units you are done (oh wait, but you can't get high on components, and you can't resell them for anything worth a damn either). In practice, Pixonic would have to be really, really, unbelievably, stupidly scummy to pull something like this.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 20, 2017 13:41:53 GMT -5
FWIW taking the deals, including todays I'm less than 4000 components away from a Haechi. So it's easily within reach for me. Also got a 200 components prize from a silver chest earlier so that helped. Definitely you can win stuff with components. Within a month I'll have the Haechi and the Ember. Also want a 4th Scourge. why a fourth scourge? Doc, which I don't have but if I happen to win via BM. I tried the Doc on test with 4 Scourges and it matches up pretty well. Use two Scourges on a red guy until they run out, quickdraw, and start up the other two. To me in test I have never liked the Doc when I tried with Orkans or Tulus. Just seemed too fragile and not fast enough to be close and use Orkans. When I used Tulus just didn't work for me. But with Scourge I sit at 600m and can move in if it's safe. Just really liked it.
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 20, 2017 17:01:51 GMT -5
Which platform? because, on android, I got none. I got four Haechi offers on my Android Bronza account. I got zero on my Expert account where I have 8000 components for it. Pixonic is adjusting their offers based on how many components you have, as I mentioned in another thread.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 20, 2017 17:27:07 GMT -5
Just tried it this time, as of tomorrow I will only use 25 gold and keep on making WP. I am interested in ember x 2 and haechi. Shocktrain will be nerfed by 50% and still in 2 minds of getting 1 or 2. Making sure you understand that the Shocktrain is NOT nerfed by 50% to my understanding. Direct from the roadmap for 3.4 Shocktrain — damage nerf. Damage decreases by 50% per enemy hit (previously 35%)I could be wrong but how I interpret. I think this is correct as the note above would not apply to the initial hit. Before nerf (damages are just an example not taken from the weapon real damage) ----------------- Initial damage 1000hp to initial bot second bot hit 650hp to initial bot (35% reduction from initial damage) After nerf ------------------ Initial damage - 1000 hp to initial bot (this does not change) second bot hit - 500 hp to second bot (50% reduction from initial damage) The result of the nerf is the 2nd bot gets 150 hp less damage in my example. And then obviously this applies to all the bots but I assume compounding. Therefore for the third bot in my example Before nerf ----------- third bot hit - 422.5 hp damage (35% reduction from 650hp) After nerf ---------------- third bot hit - 250hp damage (50% reduction from 500hp) Note the effect. The nerf is a big difference the farther you go down the line now. The third bot in my example has a 59% difference compared to pre nerf. So the 50% actually gets higher. I'm rambling. You get the point if I understand the note correctly.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 21, 2017 4:48:58 GMT -5
Just tried it this time, as of tomorrow I will only use 25 gold and keep on making WP. I am interested in ember x 2 and haechi. Shocktrain will be nerfed by 50% and still in 2 minds of getting 1 or 2. Making sure you understand that the Shocktrain is NOT nerfed by 50% to my understanding. Direct from the roadmap for 3.4 Shocktrain — damage nerf. Damage decreases by 50% per enemy hit (previously 35%)(...) You are correct. A bit more calculations on that, based on 3 of them on an haeci, bulga or Raiji: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/213221/thread
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 21, 2017 13:18:05 GMT -5
For what it's worth there was a deal mentioned earlier by someone. This same exact deal went for 2800 WSP yesterday/today until 4pm EST. If you figure out the calculations you get get 250 WSP per day for 25 gold. So if you were to do that method this same deal would actually only cost less than 300 au instead of 700 au. I am now realizing it's better to convert gold to WSP for these deals.
360 Haechi, 240 Shocktrain-700 au
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 21, 2017 15:23:34 GMT -5
For what it's worth there was a deal mentioned earlier by someone. This same exact deal went for 2800 WSP yesterday/today until 4pm EST. If you figure out the calculations you get get 250 WSP per day for 25 gold. So if you were to do that method this same deal would actually only cost less than 300 au instead of 700 au. I am now realizing it's better to convert gold to WSP for these deals. 360 Haechi, 240 Shocktrain-700 au The problem is that it seems that, nearing completion of something, the wsp deals are not offered anymore. There' a parallel thread going on about it
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 21, 2017 16:21:45 GMT -5
I just took a new deal for 240 Ember and 240 Shocktrain for 1600 or 1900 WSP. Can't remember. I'm only 700 away from Ember so that's why I took this. The Shocktrain was a bonue secondary as although I'm aways off I'm glad it's going to something I want eventually. I skipped the Haechi deals (still at 360) as the secondaries were Kumiho for the WSP one and Bulg for the gold one. I'm being picky now making sure to take WSP deals where the secondary I want.
Trying to play this smart and now trading in gold for WSP. Hopefully the strategy works.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 21, 2017 21:56:09 GMT -5
I have 8k Haechi components and did receive all 8 offers today, including the two for Haechi. I really don't think it's linked to your component store. It's mostly random as far as I see it.
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