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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 17, 2017 13:57:04 GMT -5
Let's do a quick comparison between the Aphid and the Vortex, and see how 3 Vortexs on a Haechi will matchup with 4 Aphids on a Patton.
Level 8 Aphid Damage: 13,040 X 4 = 52,160 damage.
Level 8 Vortex Damage: 19620 X 3 = 58,860 damage.
The Haechi is more durable, faster and deals more damage with Vortexes than the Patton with Aphids. Another robot and weapon bites the dust. Pixonic seems intent on ensuring every non-component robot and weapon is completely obsolete. Sadly, Pixonic hasn't seemed to learn that burst damage weapons on a Robot that can nearly instantly go to and from cover provides no counterplay for the opponent. Not to mention that they have started a trend where each release doesn't just make one thing obsolete, it makes multiple things obsolete (evidenced by the fact the Haechi Shocktrain is several times better than anything else).
I can't even imagine what they are going to do with sniper weapons... my guess is a long range missile weapon that deals huge splash damage and goes through all kinds of shields. It will be perfect for maps where you can hit the enemy spawn after spawning, ensuring you damage the whole team as the match starts. Somehow they will think a long reload time will balance it.
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Post by Poopface on Nov 17, 2017 14:08:11 GMT -5
Screw this game and the greedy developers who make it. I'm done. You know what never changes and is always a great challenge. Jacks, 「female dog」. That's where it's at. Jacks: The new old international phenomenon. Coming to your handheld device in the 1st Quarter '18.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 17, 2017 14:25:41 GMT -5
To be fair, you’re making a pointless complaint. Your premise assumes the opposition has a Haechi. The Haechi (without the Vortex) already makes everything else obsolete. So this weapon does not make the Aphid Patton obsolete, the Haechi already did that on its own. I get the point you’re making, but in either case the Aphid Patton was already mothballed.
At least now you can spend $200 to fully noob out a Griffin with Vortex/Aphids.
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Post by mobiuswr on Nov 17, 2017 14:30:04 GMT -5
To be fair, you’re making a pointless complaint. Your premise assumes the opposition has a Haechi. The Haechi (without the Vortex) already makes everything else obsolete. So this weapon does not make the Aphid Patton obsolete, the Haechi already did that on its own. I get the point you’re making, but in either case the Aphid Patton was already mothballed. At least now you can spend $200 to fully noob out a Griffin with Vortex/Aphids. if only they would shorten the Doc switch cooldown. You could pack 4 of these on one bot
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 17, 2017 14:33:46 GMT -5
To be fair, you’re making a pointless complaint. Your premise assumes the opposition has a Haechi. The Haechi (without the Vortex) already makes everything else obsolete. So this weapon does not make the Aphid Patton obsolete, the Haechi already did that on its own. I get the point you’re making, but in either case the Aphid Patton was already mothballed. At least now you can spend $200 to fully noob out a Griffin with Vortex/Aphids. if only they would shorten the Doc switch cooldown. You could pack 4 of these on one bot Doesn't the Doc cooldown time already match up pretty well? Either way, nothing will beat three of these on a bot you can’t catch that has an Ancile to keep you from hitting back with homing missiles. Haechis are already overpowered, but now you won’t even be able to touch them. They can just hide behind cover and lob these all day. And with two Dashes constantly on standby, you’ll never catch them around a corner.
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Post by Replicant on Nov 17, 2017 14:37:06 GMT -5
Let's do a quick comparison between the Aphid and the Vortex, and see how 3 Vortexs on a Haechi will matchup with 4 Aphids on a Patton. Level 8 Aphid Damage: 13,040 X 4 = 52,160 damage. Level 8 Vortex Damage: 19620 X 3 = 58,860 damage. The Haechi is more durable, faster and deals more damage with Vortexes than the Patton with Aphids. Another robot and weapon bites the dust. Pixonic seems intent on ensuring every non-component robot and weapon is completely obsolete. Sadly, Pixonic hasn't seemed to learn that burst damage weapons on a Robot that can nearly instantly go to and from cover provides no counterplay for the opponent. Not to mention that they have started a trend where each release doesn't just make one thing obsolete, it makes multiple things obsolete (evidenced by the fact the Haechi Shocktrain is several times better than anything else). I can't even imagine what they are going to do with sniper weapons... my guess is a long range missile weapon that deals huge splash damage and goes through all kinds of shields. It will be perfect for maps where you can hit the enemy spawn after spawning, ensuring you damage the whole team as the match starts. Somehow they will think a long reload time will balance it. A Griffin will be looking at 13,040 x 2 + 19620 x 2 = 65,320 Not that an extra 8k HP and Jump x 1 balances out the Shield and Dash x2. What's next? a Heavy Swarm eHydra? 6 missiles each fragmenting into 3 auto-guided plasma shards raining death around corners and from 600m away?
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 17, 2017 22:04:44 GMT -5
To be fair, you’re making a pointless complaint. Your premise assumes the opposition has a Haechi. The Haechi (without the Vortex) already makes everything else obsolete. So this weapon does not make the Aphid Patton obsolete, the Haechi already did that on its own. I get the point you’re making, but in either case the Aphid Patton was already mothballed. At least now you can spend $200 to fully noob out a Griffin with Vortex/Aphids. I disagree. There are situations where even a Haechi can't expose itself, and in those situations homing missiles are king. Hydras really don't do much damage, but Aphids are deadly, so giving the Haechi Aphids just adds to the versatility of the robot.
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 17, 2017 22:08:24 GMT -5
What is a vortex weapon you speaking of?
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Post by stokr on Nov 17, 2017 22:20:02 GMT -5
What is a vortex weapon you speaking of? Medium slot Aphid on TS this weekend.
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 17, 2017 22:27:36 GMT -5
What is a vortex weapon you speaking of? Medium slot Aphid on TS this weekend. So test server is open? My version of test server is asking to update, but I can't update. Probably because I did not get an invite this time. Looking on their facebook page it is for android only I deleted my old test server app
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 18, 2017 0:43:31 GMT -5
Test server now open. Wicked looking weapon!
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Post by anjian on Nov 18, 2017 0:46:35 GMT -5
Note that weapon components tend to be easier to get than bot components. Higher chances on the black market roulette, less cost on the WSP and gold trades. In shorter time, people will get them.
While I think the weapon empowers dash bots more, it also helps the following: Griffin, Rogatka, Fujin, Rhino, Golem, Lancelot, Gareth, Galahad, and Boa. And not the least, the Doc.
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 18, 2017 1:04:35 GMT -5
If Dash robots remain the meta robots, I don't really see a role for this weapon anyway. You can just Dash away and easily dodge this weapon.
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Post by snk on Nov 18, 2017 1:09:35 GMT -5
Shocktrain already perfectly fit for Heachi, Vortex just give them another option. It is more important to have a Heachi or Bulgasari for all of us now, either use your in game resources or RM.
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 18, 2017 1:31:22 GMT -5
Don't see what the problem is, other than yes, it will eliminate the Aphid Patton's niche. Tried it on Test and damage seemed little more than what Aphids do. Also it's difficult to even hit Furys completely with the Vortex, so I'm concerned that when this thing hits Last Stand, it will be MUCH more accurate than it is in Test.
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 18, 2017 3:56:35 GMT -5
Aphid Griffin will be extra annoying. More firepower, health and he can escape. Since it does quite a bit of damage in testserver already, it ceryainly will be a nuisance. Have to test Doc some more with these.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 18, 2017 4:12:12 GMT -5
I tested it and I think it's fine, I mean it's a medium weapon, of course it's going to do more damage than the light one, compare Pin with Tulu, Punisher with Punisher T, Pinata with Orkan and you'll see the same case. I just hope that they don't screw it up when it comes to the live server.
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Post by anjian on Nov 18, 2017 5:15:29 GMT -5
I expect medium weapons to do a third more damage of what a light weapon does, and a heavy weapon to do double of that of a medium weapon. So far both the Storm and the Vortex align to that.
Yes the Aphid Patton maybe rendered obsolete here, not to mention the Aphid Jesse. But its more likely to be replaced by Griffins with Vortex and Aphids (we need something to call them) as well as Doc Vortex.
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Post by Doomsf on Nov 18, 2017 6:40:45 GMT -5
I had intentions to build Leo with 3 aphids and an ancil.. good thing its just winnings from chest/event and I did not upgrade them yet.
Aphid was a uniqe light slot weapon. Atm Looks like There is no point in inesting in ligh weapons..
The future like this.. run Fujin taran/orkan until u can afford dash.. or wait for newer OP robots... stack ur resources..
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Post by _psychø on Nov 18, 2017 6:47:35 GMT -5
Griffins with Vortex and Aphids (we need something to call them) as well as Doc Vortex. HDB, homing death button.
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Post by moolamu on Nov 18, 2017 7:01:11 GMT -5
I had intentions to build Leo with 3 aphids and an ancil.. good thing its just winnings from chest/event and I did not upgrade them yet. Aphid was a uniqe light slot weapon. Atm Looks like There is no point in inesting in ligh weapons.. The future like this.. run Fujin taran/orkan until u can afford dash.. or wait for newer OP robots... stack ur resources.. Actually it's more likely that bots with exclusively light hardpoints become a wasted investment. If they aren't in a bad spot now, they will become utterly pointless in the future. I still need those light weapons to arm my Griffins so they aren't going anywhere.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 18, 2017 11:16:22 GMT -5
I think the aphid patton has been obsolete in the lower levels since Mk2. I've retired mine and maxed an Mk2 jesse. Its got more hp (135k) than a lv9 patton (132k) and a lv10 haechi (133k). Its faster at 64kmh vs 40kmh vs. 45kmh(without dash). It can also fire its payload in pairs. Its speed helps it greatly against other aphid chuckers and it is superior at getting its payload in the best engagement position quickly...similar to the haechi but without dash or ancile.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 18, 2017 11:29:36 GMT -5
To be fair, you’re making a pointless complaint. Your premise assumes the opposition has a Haechi. The Haechi (without the Vortex) already makes everything else obsolete. So this weapon does not make the Aphid Patton obsolete, the Haechi already did that on its own. I get the point you’re making, but in either case the Aphid Patton was already mothballed. At least now you can spend $200 to fully noob out a Griffin with Vortex/Aphids. I disagree. There are situations where even a Haechi can't expose itself, and in those situations homing missiles are king. Hydras really don't do much damage, but Aphids are deadly, so giving the Haechi Aphids just adds to the versatility of the robot. I agree the Vortex makes the Haechi even stronger, never argued that. But this weapon didn’t make the Aphid Patton obsolete. It already became obsolete when people could run Haechis in the first place. I guess you could say they’re even more obsolete now.
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Post by anjian on Nov 18, 2017 11:49:33 GMT -5
Aphid Jesse probably obsolete now against, Vortex Doc.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 18, 2017 12:24:49 GMT -5
Aphid Jesse probably obsolete now against, Vortex Doc. I'd take those odds! Against aphids, Doc cant dance to save his life.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 18, 2017 12:33:05 GMT -5
Patton aphid hasn't been good since well before the vortex.
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 18, 2017 13:38:43 GMT -5
I tested it and I think it's fine, I mean it's a medium weapon, of course it's going to do more damage than the light one, compare Pin with Tulu, Punisher with Punisher T, Pinata with Orkan and you'll see the same case. I just hope that they don't screw it up when it comes to the live server. Everything feels okay at MkI level 8. But when it gets to be MK2 12, and three deals 100k damage per cycle. It means most robots die in two shots.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 18, 2017 14:00:08 GMT -5
I tested it and I think it's fine, I mean it's a medium weapon, of course it's going to do more damage than the light one, compare Pin with Tulu, Punisher with Punisher T, Pinata with Orkan and you'll see the same case. I just hope that they don't screw it up when it comes to the live server. Everything feels okay at MkI level 8. But when it gets to be MK2 12, and three deals 100k damage per cycle. It means most robots die in two shots. Everything can be devastating at level 12 MK2, plus not so many people can afford level 12 MK2, I can't even upgrade to 11 MK1 yet.
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Post by zeframmann on Nov 18, 2017 17:10:06 GMT -5
Everything feels okay at MkI level 8. But when it gets to be MK2 12, and three deals 100k damage per cycle. It means most robots die in two shots. Everything can be devastating at level 12 MK2, plus not so many people can afford level 12 MK2, I can't even upgrade to 11 MK1 yet. There's already a thread about how dozens of players in Champion all have maxed out Mk-2 K-bots with maxed out Mk-2 weapons. This nonsense only widens the gap between rich players. I play this game for competition, not to be the cannon fodder of some rich f***.
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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 18, 2017 17:57:50 GMT -5
Screw this game and the greedy developers who make it. I'm done. You know what never changes and is always a great challenge. Jacks, ?female dog?. That's where it's at. Jacks: The new old international phenomenon. Coming to your handheld device in the 1st Quarter '18. Jacks? Pffffttt.... Tiddleywinks is a real man’s game!
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