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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Nov 16, 2017 5:58:14 GMT -5
Never open gold chest. Only silver and bronze. If this is your advice, I beg to differ. I once opened over 30 silver chests in a row (3.1) and got virtually _nothing_, The total result was something like 500 gold and 3 million silver plus keys, I think I started out with 2000 keys or something. After that I didn't keep track, I figure I must have opened 20-30 more silver chests with time. Won a Fujin and a Doc, the rest were keys, gold and silver again. So I guess for everyone shouting "I once got a Lancelot from a silver chest" there are 20 silent people that got nothing. With gold chests, at least you have maybe a 30% shot at something decent. Actually, Im not try to advice someone, I just wanna say "I never open golds chest yet, because I don't reach 1000 keys". |
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Post by cypho on Nov 16, 2017 8:18:08 GMT -5
I've been struggling with this conundrum for a while. As a long term player with all the silver, gold and wsp bots and equipment, I guess it's really only components that I need from the chests and even then I'm only really interested in getting a haechi. That being the case, is it better to go for silver chests and take a load of small prizes, some of which might be a little bit useful or go for one, big prize in a gold chest, but have a high risk that whatever I get won't be of any use to me?
At the moment I'm going with silver chests - from six spins I've picked up 80 Haechi components, 160 ember parts and a bit of gold and silver. Still can't decide if I've made the right choice...
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Post by mallexx222 on Nov 16, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
If it helps I have not been opening up any chests and prefer to just let Pix tell me what I've won at the end of the month. In their message they state that unused chests will be applied for you and you will get some of the better prizes each category has to offer. They were right at least for me. I won a Galahad and a ton of Haechi components and some crap stuff too but still WAY better than anytime I ever spun for myself. I just play the game and let the chests pile up. JMTC.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 16, 2017 15:53:44 GMT -5
Never open gold chest. Only silver and bronze. If this is your advice, I beg to differ. I once opened over 30 silver chests in a row (3.1) and got virtually _nothing_, The total result was something like 500 gold and 3 million silver plus keys, I think I started out with 2000 keys or something. After that I didn't keep track, I figure I must have opened 20-30 more silver chests with time. Won a Fujin and a Doc, the rest were keys, gold and silver again. So I guess for everyone shouting "I once got a Lancelot from a silver chest" there are 20 silent people that got nothing. With gold chests, at least you have maybe a 30% shot at something decent. True, Gold chests have slightly better changes of better payout according to the data published by Pixonic. But then you're also putting "all you eggs in one basket", so you have to live with the outcome (like, another Gepard..). Silver chests give a more even distribution of payout, like some Ag, some Au, some components, some useless stuff. So the advice is, get what you like better  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 18:43:58 GMT -5
If it helps I have not been opening up any chests and prefer to just let Pix tell me what I've won at the end of the month. In their message they state that unused chests will be applied for you and you will get some of the better prizes each category has to offer. They were right at least for me. I won a Galahad and a ton of Haechi components and some crap stuff too but still WAY better than anytime I ever spun for myself. I just play the game and let the chests pile up. JMTC. Has this been confirmed? I thought that some said it was better, some said it was no difference. (talking about letting them spin vs me spinning) Right now, I'll take any components or Au. It seems the exchange rate is 1:1 for Au:keys. So 1 key is worth 1 Au. |
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 16, 2017 18:46:04 GMT -5
I got a Zeus. I don't really need another one but I'd rather take that over components.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 20:25:25 GMT -5
I got a Zeus. I don't really need another one but I'd rather take that over components. I'm trying really hard not to buy a Zeus for my smurf account. They seem to always give those out during events, so I would be wasting my gold. 1 more Zeus, and I can run a Zury. |
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Post by maverick on Nov 16, 2017 20:52:28 GMT -5
I got a sore finger selecting all the silver chests Auto spin |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 17, 2017 4:46:05 GMT -5
If it helps I have not been opening up any chests and prefer to just let Pix tell me what I've won at the end of the month. Has this been confirmed? I thought that some said it was better, some said it was no difference. (talking about letting them spin vs me spinning) Right now, I'll take any components or Au. It seems the exchange rate is 1:1 for Au:keys. So 1 key is worth 1 Au. (a) Auto spin is better because you won't get any keys in return. Even though there are rare cases that you get more keys than you spun (i.e. if you spin 100 keys you may get 250), it seems clear that the average number of keys is well below that (i.e. it's much more likely that you get 30-60 keys). That is, any spin that returns key is an expected negative value. Letting Pixo spin at the end of the cycle eliminates those key returns, which increases your overall chances. Of course, you have no control over the chests, that is, if you have say 1235 keys then Pixo will open 1 gold chest, 2 silver chests and 4 bronze chests. If you want them to open more silver chests, you'd have to get below 1000 keys. (b) 1:1 gold to components is a pretty bad price, at least for weapons. If you buy WSP with gold, you can buy 250 WSP per day at a 1:10 rate or 850 WSP at a rate no worse than 5:1. As WSP to components is something like 4:1 to 5:1, it's more efficient to buy WSP for gold and then components for WSP. Of course, for a Haechi the pricetag seems to be more like 3-4 gold for 1 component or 15-20 WSPs for 1 component, while you can get much better rates for Tempest, Scourge and Shocktrain. This is the relevant purchase table: Gold WSP Ratio Total_WSP Total_Ratio 5 60 12 60 12 8 80 10,0 140 10,8 12 110 9,2 250 10,0 19 150 7,9 400 9,1 29 200 6,9 600 8,2 45 250 5,6 850 7,2 70 320 4,6 1170 6,2 110 410 3,7 1580 5,3 Personally I buy until the "250 for 45 gold" offer (118 total gold for 850 WSP), at least as long as my gold income allows it (I refused to pay a single cent to Pixo ever since 3.2 came out). (c) To get back to the previous question: If your goal is to get as fast as possible to a Haechi or something else specific, then it may indeed be better to open silver chests, simply because it is likely that you will get some gold out of it, though not much (I guess 300 gold for 1000 keys would be a decent return), which you can turn into WSP and components. But assuming that's true, 300 gold isn't really a lot as it will net you maybe 200 Haechi components or say 800 Tempest/Shocktrain components. I still prefer the gold spin, in the hope to get a larger amount of gold or some components I collect. If I succeed I may get 600-800 gold (which was a usual return in 3.1 on a gold chest, not sure about the current rate) or say 2500 components. If I get another Gepard or Aphid, well, maybe custom matches/league catch on where I can use the stuff, and I can always sell whatever I don't need for silver. But I'm not really desperate at this point, I have accepted that I got 「fluffernutter」ed by Pixo when I gave them money, as I'm clearly not nearly competetive despite paying rather significant amounts of money for almost a year. I may play a battle or two per day, or maybe a few more on FB GR if I get into a nice squad, but basically I'm one disappointment away from uninstalling. So whatever components come my way I'm fine with, and I already managed to finagle the one build that I wanted to have for a while (Tempest Natty). |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 17, 2017 5:02:23 GMT -5
True, Gold chests have slightly better changes of better payout according to the data published by Pixonic. But then you're also putting "all you eggs in one basket", so you have to live with the outcome (like, another Gepard..). Silver chests give a more even distribution of payout, like some Ag, some Au, some components, some useless stuff. So the advice is, get what you like better Certainly. But the expected payout from silver chests is rather small. Say if 10 silver chests net me whatever I can get from purchasing components with task gold from 3 days, it seems reasonable to take chances with a gold chest instead of those silver chests. |
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Post by snk on Nov 17, 2017 8:33:44 GMT -5
Last calendar month was bad, either less than 1000 keys or less than 1000Au from a few gold chest. This time 2500 keys from my first gold chest, got a Gareth (meh) and Scourge. 3rd gold chest is Zeus.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 17, 2017 8:55:35 GMT -5
(b) ... As WSP to components is something like 4:1 to 5:1 ....well, well....actually, based on their offers (and there is no other way to convert WSP -> components, right?), the prices are more like | Component for | WSP/comp | | Inquisitor | -21,82 | | Haechi | -23,5 | | Kumiho | +25,6 | | Bulgarsi | -2,37 | | Tempest | 9,41 | | Shocktrain | 7,63 | | Scourge | 9,42 | | Ember | -10,9 |
And no, those negative prices are not an "accident" on my behalf. The prices are calculated based on the offers I got throughout the last days. And yes, there are offers (currently 3 out of 16 distinct offers I got) that do not fit into this. So yes, those offers along with the displayed "discount" are not really based on some actual conversion of WSP->Comps that Pix is using. |
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Post by lmmfaoumf on Nov 17, 2017 9:29:10 GMT -5
I got 1000 Haechi components with my gold chest.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 17, 2017 10:09:43 GMT -5
(b) ... As WSP to components is something like 4:1 to 5:1 ....well, well....actually, based on their offers (and there is no other way to convert WSP -> components, right?), the prices are more like | Component for | WSP/comp | | Inquisitor | -21,82 | | Haechi | -23,5 | | Kumiho | +25,6 | | Bulgarsi | -2,37 | | Tempest | 9,41 | | Shocktrain | 7,63 | | Scourge | 9,42 | | Ember | -10,9 |
And no, those negative prices are not an "accident" on my behalf. The prices are calculated based on the offers I got throughout the last days. And yes, there are offers (currently 3 out of 16 distinct offers I got) that do not fit into this. So yes, those offers along with the displayed "discount" are not really based on some actual conversion of WSP->Comps that Pix is using. I still don't get how you calculate negative prices, please explain it to a stupid old man like me The worst conversion is obviously if you consider only one component type. Haven't seen something better than 120 Haechi (plus something) for 400-500 gold or ~2000 WSP for ages, so considering only Haechi, the conversion is roughly 18:1 for WSP or 4:1 for gold. But of course, you get stuff in bundles, to obscure prices even further and to make it harder to assess the real value of a deal. Today I have a deal that is 240 Ember plus 480 Tempest for 1900 WSP. That's 4:1 for the Tempest, or 3:1 if I collect both. Of course, the rate is not 3:1 or 4:1 for the Ember... One thing you can fix is how many WSP you have to spend to get something. The gold deals are very obviously much worse (yes, there was a "1400 Haechi for 1000 gold" offer, I actually think that was a bug and will never happen again), so I'll focus on gold. It's pretty much moot as the deals seem to get worse and worse each weak, but here we go. Strategy A: Get a Dash bot There are some weapons you can pick up at 4:1 (Shocktrain, Tempest, Scourge). Ember seems to come a 8:1. Haechi is roughly 1:15 to 1:20, Bulgasari (and Inquisitor?) are 1:8 to 1:10. If you find the right mixed deals (say you always bite on Haechi plus something if the something is Tempest or Shocktrain), you'll have to spend 150k-200k WSP to get the Haechi and pick up 4-5 weapons (Tempest or Shocktrain) on your way. Or you can try to get a Bulgasari or Inquisitor for 80k-100k WSP and pick up 2-3 weapons. If you are not selective about the deals, you'll still spend 200k WSP for the Haechi and end up with 5000-15000 components for all weapons peddled. Strategy B: Collect a certain weapon. That's what I did, simply because I have Dash bots on my GR account and wanted a second Tempest. Now I'm collecting Shocktrain and Ember. If you take all "good" deals for that weapon you'll pick it up pretty quickly, and end up with low numbers of components for everything else. Confused? If yes, then Pixo succeeded in making it so confusing that you can't make informed decisions. |
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 17, 2017 11:02:17 GMT -5
I still don't get how you calculate negative prices, please explain it to a stupid old man like me It's pure math. Located 4 distinct offers that combined the same 4 different items (Bulgarsi+Tempest, Inquisitor+Shocktrain, Bulgarsi+Shocktrain, Inquisitor+Tempest). That gives you 4 equations (the offers with their number of components and their total price) with 4 variables (the conversion rate). That allows to calculate all the variables (ie. conversion rate). After that I could use the now known values in other offers to calculate the rest of items. |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 17, 2017 13:14:03 GMT -5
I still don't get how you calculate negative prices, please explain it to a stupid old man like me It's pure math. Located 4 distinct offers that combined the same 4 different items (Bulgarsi+Tempest, Inquisitor+Shocktrain, Bulgarsi+Shocktrain, Inquisitor+Tempest). That gives you 4 equations (the offers with their number of components and their total price) with 4 variables (the conversion rate). That allows to calculate all the variables (ie. conversion rate). After that I could use the now known values in other offers to calculate the rest of items. Yup, the approach sounds about right. But if the resulting prices are negative, something along the way must have gone wrong, I haven't received much Au or WSP from buying components lately  If you could kindly share the offer data as you recorded it, i can take a stab at solving the system, too. Also, I would calculate the price without the "discount" but since it's currently a fixed 30% it doesn't matter at this point at least for WSP. And to throw another monkey wrench in there, if the prices or the conversion rates fluctuate the problem becomes rather non-trivial and statistical .. |
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 17, 2017 13:58:53 GMT -5
Send you the 4 relevant offers by PM hon_shu. Nothing went wrong, what is the wrong is the offers. They are not based on some WSP->Comp conversion rate that Pix got somewhere. And that's why then a few of the offers don't sum up - like you obviously pay 3000 for 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgarsi rather than getting 8790 WSP on top of the components if you take the offer  |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 14:24:42 GMT -5
I think it all depends.
In the past during the BM I opened only bronze. Best thing I got was a Jesse. Which I didn't have so not bad.
During the event this time since I was getting so many keys I decided to only do silver once I got to 1000 keys.
I got:
Stalker (already have one)
Gepard (never had one and one day may use it)
1000 keys (opened 10 more silver chests)
700 Tempest components
700 Tempest components
300 Ember components
100 Haechi components
Later in the event I opened some bronze and got a Zeus. My third total so that saves me gold.
Also someone in my clan got a Butch from opening a bronze and a Zeus from opening a silver.
I think the chances of getting something good from a gold are better. But you have alot less chances.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 15:07:03 GMT -5
For the component deals now that I know what they offer I wait for the ones where the second item is something I could use as well. For instance I won a Kumiho in the event. So I don't take offers where that is a second component. I will take ones if it's a great offer for like a Bulg even though I'm not really into that one. However if it's like Tempest or Scourge I won't as I now have plenty of them. It would have to be the 1430 Haechi offer for 1000 gold for me to take those. Right now I'm close to an Ember and going for that. Then may start going for Shocktrain as here on the forum I read the Ember may be the prize for Christmas. So if they give one away in Christmas I will have two for Carny.
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 16:29:22 GMT -5
Question. Anyone remember the Haechi 360 deals for gold? Like were there gold ones or only WP. Looking at a deal today for Ember and Haechi (I want both) but it's like 3000 WP. Only 30% discount. Just can't remember if they give 50% discounts regularly for Haechi crap.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 17, 2017 18:04:06 GMT -5
Question. Anyone remember the Haechi 360 deals for gold? Like were there gold ones or only WP. Looking at a deal today for Ember and Haechi (I want both) but it's like 3000 WP. Only 30% discount. Just can't remember if they give 50% discounts regularly for Haechi crap. What Haechi deal are you referring to? I got offered 180 Kumihos and 360 Haechis for 3200 WSP at a 30% discount today. Platform is Android. |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 18:16:25 GMT -5
Question. Anyone remember the Haechi 360 deals for gold? Like were there gold ones or only WP. Looking at a deal today for Ember and Haechi (I want both) but it's like 3000 WP. Only 30% discount. Just can't remember if they give 50% discounts regularly for Haechi crap. What Haechi deal are you referring to? I got offered 180 Kumihos and 360 Haechis for 3200 WSP at a 30% discount today. Platform is Android. I have a similar offer. 360 Haechi and 240 Ember for 3100 WP. That's 30% off. I don't want Kumiho and I want an Ember so this is good. But not sure if they have better offers where less WP. You took that offer? Looking to see if there are better ones in the past like 50% off. Yeah I know the 1430 one. EDIT: I decided to buy as it has both components I want. Which doesn't happen every day. Instead you end up with one thing you want and one you don't care to have. |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 17, 2017 18:27:06 GMT -5
Send you the 4 relevant offers by PM hon_shu . Nothing went wrong, what is the wrong is the offers. They are not based on some WSP->Comp conversion rate that Pix got somewhere. And that's why then a few of the offers don't sum up - like you obviously pay 3000 for 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgarsi rather than getting 8790 WSP on top of the components if you take the offer So I did run some math, and the system ma'ElKoth used does indeed only have a solution with negative prices, which clearly can't be correct (always remember to check your math with real life, ). I believe the system is not really independent, so more data is needed. Also, it's likely not 100% exact, as we are asked to pay, e.g., 500 Au and not 494.123 Au or something similar if the offers are calculated from fixed prices. I have data now for 8 deals covering 7 items each for Au and WSP respectively. These systems are over-constraint, so the solution can only be approximated (least squares). This means, the prices stated below are the best explanation or model explaining the 16 offers I have recorded, assuming the prices are constant. This approximation should get more accurate with more data. Anyway, here's the preliminary results. Feel free to cross check with your offers. The numbers are Au/component and WSP/component respectively. The cost is without the discount, so that would need to be applied as well. Cost in Au per 1 component (without any discount) K 4.3922 H 0 (no Haechi Au deal in my data) B 1.5751 I 2.4437 Sc 1.1363 T 1.4535 Sh 2.263 E 1.4491 Cost in WSP per 1 component (without any discount) K 8.0925 H 8.6522 B 8.6455 I 11.6708 Sc 2.7782 T 2.7044 Sh 3.6846 E 0.0000 (no Ember WSP deal in my data) I have no idea why Kumiho components in Au would be so expensive. The WSP number seem more plausible. Either I made a mistake or the data set is still too small or Pixonic is using a different model to calculate the offers where prices aren't fixed to obfuscate precisely the type of analysis I just did or it's on purpose . (The solver I used was comnuan.com/cmnn01003/. It's a bit basic and does not provide additional statistical metrics on the error. If anyone knows a better linear least squares online calculator please let me know). |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 19:20:33 GMT -5
Send you the 4 relevant offers by PM hon_shu . Nothing went wrong, what is the wrong is the offers. They are not based on some WSP->Comp conversion rate that Pix got somewhere. And that's why then a few of the offers don't sum up - like you obviously pay 3000 for 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgarsi rather than getting 8790 WSP on top of the components if you take the offer So I did run some math, and the system ma'ElKoth used does indeed only have a solution with negative prices, which clearly can't be correct (always remember to check your math with real life, ). I believe the system is not really independent, so more data is needed. Also, it's likely not 100% exact, as we are asked to pay, e.g., 500 Au and not 494.123 Au or something similar if the offers are calculated from fixed prices. I have data now for 8 deals covering 7 items each for Au and WSP respectively. These systems are over-constraint, so the solution can only be approximated (least squares). This means, the prices stated below are the best explanation or model explaining the 16 offers I have recorded, assuming the prices are constant. This approximation should get more accurate with more data. Anyway, here's the preliminary results. Feel free to cross check with your offers. The numbers are Au/component and WSP/component respectively. The cost is without the discount, so that would need to be applied as well. Cost in Au per 1 component (without any discount) K 4.3922 H 0 (no Haechi Au deal in my data) B 1.5751 I 2.4437 Sc 1.1363 T 1.4535 Sh 2.263 E 1.4491 Cost in WSP per 1 component (without any discount) K 8.0925 H 8.6522 B 8.6455 I 11.6708 Sc 2.7782 T 2.7044 Sh 3.6846 E 0.0000 (no Ember WSP deal in my data) I have no idea why Kumiho components in Au would be so expensive. The WSP number seem more plausible. Either I made a mistake or the data set is still too small or Pixonic is using a different model to calculate the offers where prices aren't fixed to obfuscate precisely the type of analysis I just did or it's on purpose . (The solver I used was comnuan.com/cmnn01003/. It's a bit basic and does not provide additional statistical metrics on the error. If anyone knows a better linear least squares online calculator please let me know). I used your figures and figured out an Ember is 5.3550 WSP per component. This is based on the offer I have today that includes Ember and Haechi. I just subtracted the cost of the Haechi. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 19:36:40 GMT -5
What Haechi deal are you referring to? I got offered 180 Kumihos and 360 Haechis for 3200 WSP at a 30% discount today. Platform is Android. I have a similar offer. 360 Haechi and 240 Ember for 3100 WP. That's 30% off. I don't want Kumiho and I want an Ember so this is good. But not sure if they have better offers where less WP. You took that offer? Looking to see if there are better ones in the past like 50% off. Yeah I know the 1430 one. I see both offers on both my accounts. 360 Haechi + 240 Ember for 3100 WSP 360 Haechi + 180 Kumiho for 3200 WSP Yep, just double checking the numbers, they should be correct (don't want to make a mistake!). They are both 30% off. I believe I have never seen anything besides 30% off for WSP offers, but I haven't diligently checked every day to verify this. All of the AU offers are around 45-55% off that I see today. I'm afraid after today, we'll be seeing even more Kbots out on the field. When the Best of the Best rolls around again ... |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 19:45:38 GMT -5
I have a similar offer. 360 Haechi and 240 Ember for 3100 WP. That's 30% off. I don't want Kumiho and I want an Ember so this is good. But not sure if they have better offers where less WP. You took that offer? Looking to see if there are better ones in the past like 50% off. Yeah I know the 1430 one. I see both offers on both my accounts. 360 Haechi + 240 Ember for 3100 WSP 360 Haechi + 180 Kumiho for 3200 WSP Yep, just double checking the numbers, they should be correct (don't want to make a mistake!). They are both 30% off. I believe I have never seen anything besides 30% off for WSP offers, but I haven't diligently checked every day to verify this. All of the AU offers are around 45-55% off that I see today. I'm afraid after today, we'll be seeing even more Kbots out on the field. When the Best of the Best rolls around again ... Thanks. Yeah I see that other one too and I'm passing. Took the top one. Why do you say we'll see more? You mean the casino thing for the Haechi starts next and some people will spend the gold to get the 3350? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 19:48:12 GMT -5
Send you the 4 relevant offers by PM hon_shu . Nothing went wrong, what is the wrong is the offers. They are not based on some WSP->Comp conversion rate that Pix got somewhere. And that's why then a few of the offers don't sum up - like you obviously pay 3000 for 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgarsi rather than getting 8790 WSP on top of the components if you take the offer So I did run some math, and the system ma'ElKoth used does indeed only have a solution with negative prices, which clearly can't be correct (always remember to check your math with real life, ). I believe the system is not really independent, so more data is needed. Also, it's likely not 100% exact, as we are asked to pay, e.g., 500 Au and not 494.123 Au or something similar if the offers are calculated from fixed prices. I have data now for 8 deals covering 7 items each for Au and WSP respectively. These systems are over-constraint, so the solution can only be approximated (least squares). This means, the prices stated below are the best explanation or model explaining the 16 offers I have recorded, assuming the prices are constant. This approximation should get more accurate with more data. Anyway, here's the preliminary results. Feel free to cross check with your offers. The numbers are Au/component and WSP/component respectively. The cost is without the discount, so that would need to be applied as well. Cost in Au per 1 component (without any discount) K 4.3922 H 0 (no Haechi Au deal in my data) B 1.5751 I 2.4437 Sc 1.1363 T 1.4535 Sh 2.263 E 1.4491 Cost in WSP per 1 component (without any discount) K 8.0925 H 8.6522 B 8.6455 I 11.6708 Sc 2.7782 T 2.7044 Sh 3.6846 E 0.0000 (no Ember WSP deal in my data) I have no idea why Kumiho components in Au would be so expensive. The WSP number seem more plausible. Either I made a mistake or the data set is still too small or Pixonic is using a different model to calculate the offers where prices aren't fixed to obfuscate precisely the type of analysis I just did or it's on purpose . (The solver I used was comnuan.com/cmnn01003/. It's a bit basic and does not provide additional statistical metrics on the error. If anyone knows a better linear least squares online calculator please let me know). These numbers seem more reasonable than the negative numbers?! It could be possible they entered a number wrong. Double dmg bug anyone? If that's the case, it's best to avoid those offers containing those components until they correct it. I do believe that the numbers are generated randomly by a machine, and not a person. It doesn't make sense to have the same offers for everyone, and then try to game their system and waste time for a person to figure out how to cheat us. So that means any mistake in the numbers will stay in the system, so we need to confirm this and double check. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 19:56:57 GMT -5
I see both offers on both my accounts. 360 Haechi + 240 Ember for 3100 WSP 360 Haechi + 180 Kumiho for 3200 WSP Yep, just double checking the numbers, they should be correct (don't want to make a mistake!). They are both 30% off. I believe I have never seen anything besides 30% off for WSP offers, but I haven't diligently checked every day to verify this. All of the AU offers are around 45-55% off that I see today. I'm afraid after today, we'll be seeing even more Kbots out on the field. When the Best of the Best rolls around again ... Thanks. Yeah I see that other one too and I'm passing. Took the top one. Why do you say we'll see more? You mean the casino thing for the Haechi starts next and some people will spend the gold to get the 3350? Yes. Now that we've seen all the new systems, we can best plot our actions for maximum profit as a fellow russian friend of ours is fond of saying. 720 components is a lot, so some may have collected enough to trade it in for 1 Haechi. Or you exchange as many WSP for components as possible, then make the leap and use the Au to buy the rest through the board game. If not today, then there will be bumper crop days. Days where you can buy tons of components, and suddenly there's a whole bunch of new bots on the field. Anyways, this is totally derailing my thread. A new thread should be started if someone wants to do the conversions on component deals. I want to find out how to spend my keys, and what's lurking inside those Gold Chests. |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 18, 2017 0:51:15 GMT -5
What Haechi deal are you referring to? I got offered 180 Kumihos and 360 Haechis for 3200 WSP at a 30% discount today. Platform is Android. I have a similar offer. 360 Haechi and 240 Ember for 3100 WP. That's 30% off. I don't want Kumiho and I want an Ember so this is good. But not sure if they have better offers where less WP. You took that offer? Looking to see if there are better ones in the past like 50% off. Yeah I know the 1430 one. EDIT: I decided to buy as it has both components I want. Which doesn't happen every day. Instead you end up with one thing you want and one you don't care to have. Hm, I did get only the Kumiho/Haechi offer and not the Ember one today. In fact I did only get 2 WSP offers today in total. Maybe it's punishment for having picked up quite a bunch of those over the past few days. Pffff. |
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ma'ElKoth
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Nov 18, 2017 3:14:16 GMT -5
Send you the 4 relevant offers by PM hon_shu . Nothing went wrong, what is the wrong is the offers. They are not based on some WSP->Comp conversion rate that Pix got somewhere. And that's why then a few of the offers don't sum up - like you obviously pay 3000 for 360 Haechi + 140 Bulgarsi rather than getting 8790 WSP on top of the components if you take the offer So I did run some math, and the system ma'ElKoth used does indeed only have a solution with negative prices, which clearly can't be correct (always remember to check your math with real life, ). I believe the system is not really independent, so more data is needed. Also, it's likely not 100% exact, as we are asked to pay, e.g., 500 Au and not 494.123 Au or something similar if the offers are calculated from fixed prices. [...] (The solver I used was comnuan.com/cmnn01003/. It's a bit basic and does not provide additional statistical metrics on the error. If anyone knows a better linear least squares online calculator please let me know). You are absolutely right. Your numbers make much more sense. Will track some more and use that online calc (thanks for the link!) to see if any numbers would change significantly. |
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