zigzak0110
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Pilot name: zigzak0110
Platform: Android
League: Champion
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Post by zigzak0110 on Nov 15, 2017 9:07:26 GMT -5
4 matches in a row today, there were always 12 champions on every battle, one had a Master squad with a cham, no Expert in sight. Good thing is i had much more intense battles than before and I love it, make every win is deserved. Bad thing is It seems like there is no hangar strength involve, there were some players with Griffin/Lance hangar were put in the middle of the Dash/Inqui zone, and battle was usually decided by which team had more shocktrains mk2. I need confirmation from any Expert player if they are/ are not facing any champions at this moment.
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Post by valoricus on Nov 15, 2017 9:08:20 GMT -5
I think a diminishing player base is more likely the culprit
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Post by zr on Nov 15, 2017 9:36:50 GMT -5
Just played one game, I,m in Expert 2, there were no Masters or Champions. All players from Expert League, only 1 game, small sample?
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 15, 2017 10:23:38 GMT -5
Just played one game, I,m in Expert 2, there were no Masters or Champions. All players from Expert League, only 1 game, small sample? Actually have been seeing these a lot more lately . Edit: In contrast. Logged to my smurfaccount yesterday and did some battles. It is a gold league account with level 6/7 gear and ca 150 victories. I was constantly in diamond/expert games.
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Post by echo on Nov 15, 2017 10:38:42 GMT -5
Well I contacted them early this morning. I am in champion league on android . I was asking them what was the deal for my long wait time . This is what they wrote to me. Funny thing is this is the fastest response I have ever received from them. Only 10 mins .
Hi, Pilot! Thanks for taking the time to contact us!
Having carefully analyzed the data, we are trying different things to make the matchmaking system better and more precise. Champion league players may now wait longer to find a battle. We, of course, are collecting any feedback and monitoring the overall state of system in high leagues.
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Post by Poopface on Nov 15, 2017 10:48:51 GMT -5
Good question. Maybe it's because I've slipped to Expert 3 from Expert 2, but before last night I wasn't seeing nearly as many Champions. Last night, I ran into numerous matches with multiple reds per match with full hangers of Mark2 Dash bots, full loads of mark 2 weaponry, and lots of shocktrains. Mind you they were not squadded. After 4 matches of the same sort of thing, I gave up and turned off the game.
My hanger can do okay vs 12/12 with some Dashes thrown in assuming no Shocktrains. If there are a lot of Shocktrains, a lot of Mk2, a lot of Dashes or a combination of the above and I stand no chance.
I'm willing to work for a win, try different tactics to do better damage, team up with others but when it's that other stuff, I'll just turn it off. I've accepted I'll most likely never get to Master league, but I refuse to be a seal in this game.
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Post by U Camp = I Camp on Nov 15, 2017 11:35:06 GMT -5
Well I contacted them early this morning. I am in champion league on android . I was asking them what was the deal for my long wait time . This is what they wrote to me. Funny thing is this is the fastest response I have ever received from them. Only 10 mins . Hi, Pilot! Thanks for taking the time to contact us! Having carefully analyzed the data, we are trying different things to make the matchmaking system better and more precise. Champion league players may now wait longer to find a battle. We, of course, are collecting any feedback and monitoring the overall state of system in high leagues. Interesting if true. I recall a few months ago they were considering removing Experts from being matched with Masters & Champions. That should make the MM better for most at the cost of longer wait times for the upper league'rs. And then here comes the inevitable upper league tanking wave. Buh-bye.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 15, 2017 11:42:11 GMT -5
Im champ league (iOS) and I am still seeing Expert League players all the time solo and when I squad. Lately the games are either your team gets steamrolled or you steamroll the other team. I miss down to the wire balanced games and they have been few and far between for me and my clan as of late. Even the games I win solo are boring. The MM beats you down 5 games in a row and the one game it gives you to "win" has such low level/Skill players on the other side they get 4 and 5 capped in a couple of minutes and its over with in 4. To me it feels the MM already knows for the most part when it creates a match who is going to win. Usually you can tell how its going to end up about 2 minutes in.
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 15, 2017 12:17:36 GMT -5
Made a longer battle session in my main account. Zero champs. None whatsoever. Saw a couple of masters tho. My damage skyrocketed ?
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Post by jhonsnow on Nov 15, 2017 12:26:18 GMT -5
Im champ league (iOS) and I am still seeing Expert League players all the time solo and when I squad. Lately the games are either your team gets steamrolled or you steamroll the other team. I miss down to the wire balanced games and they have been few and far between for me and my clan as of late. Even the games I win solo are boring. The MM beats you down 5 games in a row and the one game it gives you to "win" has such low level/Skill players on the other side they get 4 and 5 capped in a couple of minutes and its over with in 4. To me it feels the MM already knows for the most part when it creates a match who is going to win. Usually you can tell how its going to end up about 2 minutes in. Completely agreed. It makes me feel like my efforts are of no use in the game as they are mostly predecided. As you said in 4 out of 5 matches in general my teammates are so dumb that no matter what I do our team can never win. Although glad to see that others are also in the same situation.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 15, 2017 12:26:19 GMT -5
No change to MM on my end in iOS Expert 2. Just played a match with mixed leagues: 1 Champ, 2 masters and 3 experts on blue and 2 Champs, 1 master and 3 experts on red. Last night got the full weight of unbalanced squad matching, screen images here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/16725/watch-out-expert-league?page=2#post-210920I would REALLY like playing more if they restricted MM to the league you are in and also MKII (no matter what level) restricted to Champ league only. But I hold no hope that Pix will do this, as revenue is dependent upon frustrating lower level players to pay up. Maybe they will prove me wrong.
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Post by Poopface on Nov 15, 2017 12:43:43 GMT -5
Im champ league (iOS) and I am still seeing Expert League players all the time solo and when I squad. Lately the games are either your team gets steamrolled or you steamroll the other team. I miss down to the wire balanced games and they have been few and far between for me and my clan as of late. Even the games I win solo are boring. The MM beats you down 5 games in a row and the one game it gives you to "win" has such low level/Skill players on the other side they get 4 and 5 capped in a couple of minutes and its over with in 4. To me it feels the MM already knows for the most part when it creates a match who is going to win. Usually you can tell how its going to end up about 2 minutes in. Having been steamrolled by your squadded clan recently, I agree with you.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 15, 2017 13:09:29 GMT -5
I remember seeing you on Power Plant not too long ago Poopface. I was with all champions and your squad was mostly Expert league. Definitely an unfair match up.
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Post by echo on Nov 15, 2017 13:26:23 GMT -5
Looks like it might just be android .
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 15, 2017 13:26:33 GMT -5
Not so sure, I'm Expert 2 on Android and ran into a full Champ squad of a Top 10 clan yesterday with 5 random Expert colleagues. One of the shortest matches I've ever had, probably finished around the 2 minute mark. But I'm slowly getting better at saving my own 「bum-bum」 in these cases and managed to walk away only with a -5.
I noticed that matchmaking can depend a lot on the time of day. If I get a couple of -22s, I just put the game down and hope for fairer matchups later.
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Post by zer00eyz on Nov 15, 2017 13:42:06 GMT -5
If your chiming in on this thread with data points from yesterday your probably missing the mark.
I can say that match composition has changed on Android --- I am seeing matches that would not have existed in the previous weeks.
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Post by Poopface on Nov 15, 2017 14:13:13 GMT -5
I remember seeing you on Power Plant not too long ago Poopface. I was with all champions and your squad was mostly Expert league. Definitely an unfair match up. That was exactly the situation I was thinking about. For some reason, your name was the first one I saw. I thought it'd be a fun match to try to marginally hold my own if we faced off. Then I saw the rest of your clan and knew it was going to hurt, last entirely too long, and realized that I forgot to bring lube.
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Post by Jame-thon on Nov 15, 2017 14:37:54 GMT -5
Just did a small sample size of 5 games. Someone in the morning had mentioned seeing something similar, and I paid attention during lunch. All 5 matches I had players of the same league. Only 2 were one league lower out of the matches/games played. Noticed the search times can linger a little longer some of the times. And yes like zero said, whoever said yesterday, we are talking about today. This is on android platform.
I'm am curious how it's going to be when you're in a mixed squad. There is a good chance they did some tweaking to the client side MM today for better or worse.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 15, 2017 15:18:57 GMT -5
Just did a small sample size of 5 games. Someone in the morning had mentioned seeing something similar, and I paid attention during lunch. All 5 matches I had players of the same league. Only 2 were one league lower out of the matches/games played. Noticed the search times can linger a little longer some of the times. And yes like zero said, whoever said yesterday, we are talking about today. This is on android platform. I'm am curious how it's going to be when you're in a mixed squad. There is a good chance they did some tweaking to the client side MM today for better or worse. Agreed, didn't see too many Champs this morning when i played 3 matches and MM would take slightly longer at 30+ seconds although the stated average was 16s. This would be awesome, I'd much rather wait 30s longer instead of wasting 4-5 minutes of my life getting hammered by an unfair match-up with Champs.
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 15, 2017 15:20:22 GMT -5
Indeed yesterday were all I?C, SYK and whatnot present and today not even nubchamps. And i am still astonished from the dmg rise. Its huge. Lets see how all that plays out. Waiting times are longer indeed, but nothing to complain about.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 15, 2017 15:44:14 GMT -5
Tested again, iOS E2 - still mixed (this time 3 Champs a piece, no masters, the rest experts and one Diamond).
Sounds like Android is the test subject again.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 15, 2017 16:02:13 GMT -5
Wow, three more matches without Champs in Expert II. I did see a few Masters, though. And a Silver dude part of an Expert squad .. but he turned out to be a tanker with a level 10 hangar. This change would be the best addition to the game in ages. I don't mind OP gear if they have to fight each other with it. I wonder what will happen to the whales in Champ, they won't be so happy about waiting a minute or two each game after having paid thousands of $$$. Maybe the Diamonds and Experts get assigned "seal duty" and must serve as cannon fodder once in a while
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Post by hi5 on Nov 15, 2017 16:13:02 GMT -5
Wow, three more matches without Champs in Expert II. I did see a few Masters, though. And a Silver dude part of an Expert squad .. but he turned out to be a tanker with a level 10 hangar. This change would be the best addition to the game in ages. I don't mind OP gear if they have to fight each other with it. I wonder what will happen to the whales in Champ, they won't be so happy about waiting a minute or two each game after having paid thousands of $$$. Maybe the Diamonds and Experts get assigned "seal duty" and must serve as cannon fodder once in a while It’s a rare occasion when I’m jealous of an android user As to wait times, I’d guess there is a portion within Expert that will rocket up and into Masters without the intra-league mixing.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 15, 2017 17:37:29 GMT -5
Yes, I'm already on my way, gained 100 league points already The downside is that I can't blame the MM now any more when I just played really badly ..
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 15, 2017 18:17:33 GMT -5
4 matches in a row today, there were always 12 champions on every battle, one had a Master squad with a cham, no Expert in sight. Good thing is i had much more intense battles than before and I love it, make every win is deserved. Bad thing is It seems like there is no hangar strength involve, there were some players with Griffin/Lance hangar were put in the middle of the Dash/Inqui zone, and battle was usually decided by which team had more shocktrains mk2. I need confirmation from any Expert player if they are/ are not facing any champions at this moment. Don't really make a habit of checking unless it was a lopsided battle, but I'd have to say no more than usual... unless my team's have just been that good. Haven't lost many battles today.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 15, 2017 18:26:03 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Android players are the test dummies (I mean that lovingly) and get most all new changes first. If whatever Pix is trying is successful (or maybe even if it’s not) we may see it on iOS soon enough.
Also, if this becomes a permanent change and on iOS, I will be more than happy to level up my hangar enough to go up into expert. It would be nice to be able to spend this useless pile of 300m Ag I have.
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Post by moody on Nov 15, 2017 18:29:35 GMT -5
I hadn't paid much attention. I'm expect 3 android. I will say there have been a fair few more games lately that I've been the big fish in the pool of diamond and gold. (had a game this morning with all blue campers - we won but I had 7 caps in a game on Yam!)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 19:55:18 GMT -5
Im champ league (iOS) and I am still seeing Expert League players all the time solo and when I squad. Lately the games are either your team gets steamrolled or you steamroll the other team. I miss down to the wire balanced games and they have been few and far between for me and my clan as of late. Even the games I win solo are boring. The MM beats you down 5 games in a row and the one game it gives you to "win" has such low level/Skill players on the other side they get 4 and 5 capped in a couple of minutes and its over with in 4. To me it feels the MM already knows for the most part when it creates a match who is going to win. Usually you can tell how its going to end up about 2 minutes in. I'm in Master and was running my Frankenstein crew, Galahad, Raijin, Leo, Natasha, et. al. Also ran some lights to get some tasks done, but most of the lights in this hanger is level 1. Still managed to get 3 kills after a disaster first match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 20:01:46 GMT -5
Yes, I'm already on my way, gained 100 league points already The downside is that I can't blame the MM now any more when I just played really badly .. Yes, they did this a few months ago, and only for 1 week and a half. It was bliss as I was in Expert back then. Many that were stuck at the Wall moved up to Champion or Master during that time. There would probably be more Masters and few more Champions if they uncorked the bottleneck.
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zigzak0110
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Pilot name: zigzak0110
Platform: Android
League: Champion
Server Region: Asia
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Post by zigzak0110 on Nov 15, 2017 20:39:28 GMT -5
Well thanks for all the note guys, it seems they are testing it on Android only. Now I hope the reward chest update in the next patch scale with your league due to longer wait time
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