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Post by Strayed on Jan 21, 2017 20:13:05 GMT -5
Pixonic has stated that they are looking into penalties for quitting matches and doing nothing in a match. This is due to many players quitting matches to get their winrate down to a point where they can match up against lower tier players. They has also said that they will introduce mm protections for lower level players.
Pixonic has also mentioned that this is the first time their designers have been prototyping things this fast. It is possible for the prototypes to not hit the later stages of development. If something is buggy, unpopular, or just doesn't work(looking at you Todd Howard) they will just scrap it completely. The heavy spiral thus may not even hit the shelves. What is also likely is that this is what happened to the "Protolot".
Pixonic has also been taking several suggestions on Clans. If you have not given them a suggestion yet, there should be a survey on their Facebook page.
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Post by chiya1 on Jan 21, 2017 22:11:18 GMT -5
What about disconnect due to lag.
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Post by Strayed on Jan 21, 2017 22:25:20 GMT -5
The devs have said much earlier that they are working on replacing the servers and fixing their spaghetti code.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 21, 2017 22:31:31 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be some tolerance for occasional issues. This is clearly aimed at repeat offenders are
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Post by lilryry on Jan 21, 2017 22:54:47 GMT -5
While they're looking into penalties for players can they go ahead and look into why the new mm system is broken? Getting a little sick of fighting full heavy hangers twice my level every match when I'm all medium...
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Post by Strayed on Jan 21, 2017 23:05:36 GMT -5
The problem with the new mm is that it hasn't had enough time for the player ratings to accurately represent the skills of each individual player. Wait it out for a week or so and the new mm will be just as good as or better than the old mm. That isn't a very high bar to be honest though...
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Post by ivx on Jan 22, 2017 1:33:56 GMT -5
...If something is buggy, unpopular, or just doesn't work(looking at you Todd Howard) ... horse armour ftw.  They could have perhaps just fixed the Gepard and the Silver ceiling. But perhaps this new MM will be a more balanced solution in the long run though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 1:36:08 GMT -5
Maybe they should excite the masses regarding weapons that wont be developed, or get make Gunslinger bots that people are shelving. Just present as potential prototypes, and not lead people to believe what they are fed
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Post by BooBooKitty on Jan 22, 2017 3:17:49 GMT -5
Can you ask them if there is any chance of reverting to old matchmaking? Or is this definitely here to stay?
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Post by WE034 on Jan 22, 2017 4:07:24 GMT -5
Can you ask them if there is any chance of reverting to old matchmaking? Or is this definitely here to stay? Bud, they may take it back to the sandbox for testing , but I think this is part of an overall development plan. My perambulatory searches, po ruski, shows Pix is really getting ready to push this hard for mail.ru in the mobile market in the Federation. They've said as much and the social marketing stage is being set. I'll send you the links to the articles if you want, but I don't know where to go to translate them. |
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Post by lilryry on Jan 22, 2017 7:47:44 GMT -5
Can you ask them if there is any chance of reverting to old matchmaking? Or is this definitely here to stay? No way it's reverted, this change was about eliminating the ability to farm gold efficiently so now it must be purchased...all about the $$$ |
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Post by phoenix232 on Jan 22, 2017 11:19:04 GMT -5
Wait wait, so my survey/poll got seen? Oh snap! Or a happy coincidence, I'll take either.
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Post by CtrlZ on Jan 22, 2017 11:48:34 GMT -5
re: quitting vs occasional issues.. quitting and getting disconnected are quite distinguishable. One sends a signal to the server saying the player wishes to leave the game, the other just has the server getting no info and getting no response when signaled. There might be people who purposefully disconnect from wifi/cellular to force a game abandon, but that's nothing an app permission can't detect via radio states. That would leave purposefully walking out of range of AP/cell tower or turning AP off/on... if people are that desperate, I'd say let them do so for a while, and use other metrics to figure out if it's rather suspicious.
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Post by nil on Jan 22, 2017 12:43:40 GMT -5
The problem with the new mm is that it hasn't had enough time for the player ratings to accurately represent the skills of each individual player. Wait it out for a week or so and the new mm will be just as good as or better than the old mm. That isn't a very high bar to be honest though... The problem is that the new system doesnt take hanger level into account. What if I want to play with my 8 year old nephew who plays down in low bronze? Even if I put in an appropriate level hanger, I have to go lose 50 games just so we don't get paired up with 12/12 Fury's. Personally I like to sometimes put in different level hangers just to change things up. Currently Clan battles are a joke. There has not been 1 game where we were not matched against a fully maxed squad. The old system was a better concept. (Bot level + weapon level + win rate). It just needs to be tweaked to get better results. |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 22, 2017 14:07:23 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). The only stat mongering I've seen that works is keeping your equipment levels close. So stop bull「dookie」ting yourself over 4/12 levels or 'silver tier is more fun' being excusable, because it does NOT work that way anymore. The false entitlement some folks are showing is making me rather disgusted (it's far worse on FB, don't go there) and the utter lack of patience is disappointing. More than one person playing the game on a single device? It's sucks to be you, because the new rating system means everybody needs their own profile now. "Twinking" has also been eliminated, so as much as I'd like to squad with my kids, we all understand it won't happen until they can catch up to me.
The new system does take hanger level into account, but it's more like 20% hanger and the rest is performance rating. Tweak your hangers all you want, but realize your tweaks have minimal impact, and you'll need a lot more than just 1 single damned match to realize any changes! All you fools talking tales of "I put 1/1 blah in my hanger and got stomped" deserved it for trying to game the new system. And all you 「fluffernutter」ERS that are quitting matches in order to tank your win rate deserve to be ban-hammered, in my not so humble opinion.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 22, 2017 14:15:19 GMT -5
Can you ask them if there is any chance of reverting to old matchmaking? Or is this definitely here to stay? "farm gold efficiently" That is commendably diplomatic.  |
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Post by poisonelf on Jan 22, 2017 16:24:49 GMT -5
This new MM is a complete failure, it doesn't take days, weeks to know one simple fact, max 12 levels should be only playing against other max 12 levels. Absolutely ANY match these players are against lower players this company is CHEATING for those players with easy unequal matches. Instead of fixing anything they made it as bad as possible. No longer does max 12 get 4/6 level matches once and awhile, they get level 1.
Supposedly, this is to help with the Gep clubbing, pffft. With many of these max 12 hangers having 20 percent win ratios, what makes people think they can control that, let alone Gep players that know how to play. There is absolutely no reason players should have to play their very best hanger at all times. Today I decide to play level 1 bots with level 1 weapons, and get 50 matches of max 12's, i can play every one of the hanger bots and loose every match. With the silly comments of Gep players don't know how to only play Gep's, Ok those people are right, so now all of them play level 1 bots and loose 50 matches, darn don't know how to play without geps?
So what is it they can do, they are right gep players can't play, so they loose 50 matches shooting level 1 malot on a level 1 cosak with you people in the match with them fighting level 12 max hangers no matter what level you are. You think this will be fun, Gold only for the couple max 12 hanger players thrown in every match no matter what your level?
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Post by BooBooKitty on Jan 22, 2017 17:20:38 GMT -5
That is commendably diplomatic. I'm farming gold and silver more efficiently than ever since new mm... I just want the silver tier ecosystem back and ability to do clan battles in a given tier. |
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Post by Trogon on Jan 22, 2017 17:21:20 GMT -5
The new system does take hanger level into account, but it's more like 20% hanger and the rest is performance rating. Tweak your hangers all you want, but realize your tweaks have minimal impact, and you'll need a lot more than just 1 single damned match to realize any changes! All you fools talking tales of "I put 1/1 blah in my hanger and got stomped" deserved it for trying to game the new system. How many times do we have to say it? Just because SOME don't seem to enjoy stepping down to a lower "tier" for a different experience or to play with friends/family new to the game, doesn't mean those of us who do are "gaming" the system and deserve a smack-down. Yes, it also allowed abuses, but the abuses could have been fixed without removing that feature of the old MM. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 17:21:28 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). The only stat mongering I've seen that works is keeping your equipment levels close. So stop bull?poo-poo?ting yourself over 4/12 levels or 'silver tier is more fun' being excusable, because it does NOT work that way anymore. The false entitlement some folks are showing is making me rather disgusted (it's far worse on FB, don't go there) and the utter lack of patience is disappointing. More than one person playing the game on a single device? It's sucks to be you, because the new rating system means everybody needs their own profile now. "Twinking" has also been eliminated, so as much as I'd like to squad with my kids, we all understand it won't happen until they can catch up to me. The new system does take hanger level into account, but it's more like 20% hanger and the rest is performance rating. Tweak your hangers all you want, but realize your tweaks have minimal impact, and you'll need a lot more than just 1 single damned match to realize any changes! All you fools talking tales of "I put 1/1 blah in my hanger and got stomped" deserved it for trying to game the new system. And all you ?firetruck?ERS that are quitting matches in order to tank your win rate deserve to be ban-hammered, in my not so humble opinion. What an arrogant, conceited load of .... And it's disappointing that admins support it. What "performance rating" are you referring to? every one of my metrics I can see has fallen, win ratio by 25%, damage by 20%, my Ag is half what is was. i don't quit, I don't run 4/12, I run 8/10, and Pix has decided that I only should battle maxed / squad / Clans, and only win 44%. Because I'm L30 and won 2,100 battles. Really? It's strange you don't identify 'timing' as an issues. As in, the matchmaker rushes to put Teams together and they aren't willing to make clan players wait 30 seconds for a balanced battle, it constantly throws together anyone in a battle to make sure maxed hangers get their fill. But we're supposed to wait for the MM "to find my niche"? It's not niche, s a lot of people. look around you, a lot of casual, solo, but supportive pilots (and members of this forum) hate this system as it prevents any form of choice, in our hangers or opponents. You don't represent our views. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 22, 2017 17:27:47 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). The only stat mongering I've seen that works is keeping your equipment levels close. So stop bull?poo-poo?ting yourself over 4/12 levels or 'silver tier is more fun' being excusable, because it does NOT work that way anymore. The false entitlement some folks are showing is making me rather disgusted (it's far worse on FB, don't go there) and the utter lack of patience is disappointing. More than one person playing the game on a single device? It's sucks to be you, because the new rating system means everybody needs their own profile now. "Twinking" has also been eliminated, so as much as I'd like to squad with my kids, we all understand it won't happen until they can catch up to me. The new system does take hanger level into account, but it's more like 20% hanger and the rest is performance rating. Tweak your hangers all you want, but realize your tweaks have minimal impact, and you'll need a lot more than just 1 single damned match to realize any changes! All you fools talking tales of "I put 1/1 blah in my hanger and got stomped" deserved it for trying to game the new system. And all you ?firetruck?ERS that are quitting matches in order to tank your win rate deserve to be ban-hammered, in my not so humble opinion. You don't represent our views. Nope, he represents his view. You represent yours, and I represent mine. Not sure why it would be otherwise. As for me, probably been pretty clear I'm a pro-Tier player. I believe simply requiring weapon level to be equal to or less than bot level would probably have given us quality play without being "seal clubbed" by imbalanced gear-runners gaming the system. Contrary to the opinion of some, despite my personal distaste for the practice of clubbing there are some damn good pilots out there who do it. I'd relish the chance to go up against them with normalized gear and learn a few things. |
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 22, 2017 17:34:50 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). When Pixo devs talked about this new MM system awhile back, they talked about leagues and balance. So correct, no more tiers based on equipment in iOS.....so what about leagues based on Elo and hanger scores or whatever? Switch out the words in the statements people are making here (leagues for tiers, Elo/hanger score/win rate for hanger scores) and it gets to the same point....how is this new system going to get players to fair and balanced matches consistently? That is the underlying issue. Because it has happened with you, great - apparently a great many of us are not experiencing that. 'Eventually" is not a comforting thought on setting expectations. None of know what the future state is so we use what we know to talk about the issue. Pixo could help us by communicating what their intent is and their expected timing. |
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Post by Strayed on Jan 22, 2017 17:35:48 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). The only stat mongering I've seen that works is keeping your equipment levels close. So stop bull?poo-poo?ting yourself over 4/12 levels or 'silver tier is more fun' being excusable, because it does NOT work that way anymore. The false entitlement some folks are showing is making me rather disgusted (it's far worse on FB, don't go there) and the utter lack of patience is disappointing. More than one person playing the game on a single device? It's sucks to be you, because the new rating system means everybody needs their own profile now. "Twinking" has also been eliminated, so as much as I'd like to squad with my kids, we all understand it won't happen until they can catch up to me. The new system does take hanger level into account, but it's more like 20% hanger and the rest is performance rating. Tweak your hangers all you want, but realize your tweaks have minimal impact, and you'll need a lot more than just 1 single damned match to realize any changes! All you fools talking tales of "I put 1/1 blah in my hanger and got stomped" deserved it for trying to game the new system. And all you ?firetruck?ERS that are quitting matches in order to tank your win rate deserve to be ban-hammered, in my not so humble opinion. What an arrogant, conceited load of .... And it's disappointing that admins support it. What "performance rating" are you referring to? every one of my metrics I can see has fallen, win ratio by 25%, damage by 20%, my Ag is half what is was. i don't quit, I don't run 4/12, I run 8/10, and Pix has decided that I only should battle maxed / squad / Clans, and only win 44%. Because I'm L30 and won 2,100 battles. Really? It's strange you don't identify 'timing' as an issues. As in, the matchmaker rushes to put Teams together and they aren't willing to make clan players wait 30 seconds for a balanced battle, it constantly throws together anyone in a battle to make sure maxed hangers get their fill. But we're supposed to wait for the MM "to find my niche"? It's not niche, s a lot of people. look around you, a lot of casual, solo, but supportive pilots (and members of this forum) hate this system as it prevents any form of choice, in our hangers or opponents. You don't represent our views. Oh really now? So I can't have my own opinion? What's arrogant and conceited is that you seem to think that all mods and admins should be mindless robots who aren't allowed to give any opinion whatsoever. Well excuse me for being a human being who has his own views and opinions as well. Daemon Lilith has his own views, I have mine, and I just so happened to like his post because he actually explained a bit of what's going on with the new MM. He certainly could have put it in a less inflammatory way, but at least he attempted to explain what's going on instead of just 「female dog」ing about it. |
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Post by dgaf on Jan 22, 2017 17:36:10 GMT -5
Any chance these types of treads can be locked so they stay focused on what is being said by Pix instead of debates over the messages?
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Post by Strayed on Jan 22, 2017 17:37:22 GMT -5
Everybody keeps getting hung up on what "tier" their hangers are supposed to land in. There. Are. No. More. Tiers. Put together the hanger you want to use, and run with it, and the new MM will find your niche (eventually). When Pixo devs talked about this new MM system awhile back, they talked about leagues and balance. So correct, no more tiers based on equipment in iOS.....so what about leagues based on Elo and hanger scores or whatever? Switch out the words in the statements people are making here (leagues for tiers, Elo/hanger score/win rate for hanger scores) and it gets to the same point....how is this new system going to get players to fair and balanced matches consistently? That is the underlying issue. Because it has happened with you, great - apparently a great many of us are not experiencing that. 'Eventually" is not a comforting thought on setting expectations. None of know what the future state is so we use what we know to talk about the issue. Pixo could help us by communicating what their intent is and their expected timing. Pixo is planning on implementing a league system, but it'll most likely just be a ranking system and not an actual basis for the mm. Currently, at the moment, no league or tier system is in place. |
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Post by Strayed on Jan 22, 2017 17:38:08 GMT -5
Any chance these types of treads can be locked so they stay focused on what is being said by Pix instead of debates over the messages? I would do that, but it's better to know if some things need clarification. |
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Post by lilryry on Jan 22, 2017 17:40:37 GMT -5
You don't represent our views. Nope, he represents his view. You represent yours, and I represent mine. Not sure why it would be otherwise. As for me, probably been pretty clear I'm a pro-Tier player. I believe simply requiring weapon level to be equal to or less than bot level would probably have given us quality play without being "seal clubbed" by imbalanced gear-runners gaming the system. Contrary to the opinion of some, despite my personal distaste for the practice of clubbing there are some damn good pilots out there who do it. I'd relish the chance to go up against them with normalized gear and learn a few things. makes complete sense to not allow weapon levels above that of the bot they're on, problem solved...but this way ppl need to spend more $$$ |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 22, 2017 17:41:20 GMT -5
Any chance these types of treads can be locked so they stay focused on what is being said by Pix instead of debates over the messages? I would do that, but it's better to know if some things need clarification. There's merit to both approaches. A locked thread with just the info is easy to reference, and the original thread can be edited with updates and clarifications as they arise in open discussion. An open thread allows players to weigh in and provide context to the changes. Veterans may not find that valuable, but those of us who are newer players can find a lot of value in that. Might be worthwhile to split the difference. A monthly locked and sticky thread with just official Pix news, edited for updates/clarity as need arises. Then a "regular thread" where everyone can discuss what those changes mean. |
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 22, 2017 17:44:05 GMT -5
Nope, he represents his view. You represent yours, and I represent mine. Not sure why it would be otherwise. As for me, probably been pretty clear I'm a pro-Tier player. I believe simply requiring weapon level to be equal to or less than bot level would probably have given us quality play without being "seal clubbed" by imbalanced gear-runners gaming the system. Contrary to the opinion of some, despite my personal distaste for the practice of clubbing there are some damn good pilots out there who do it. I'd relish the chance to go up against them with normalized gear and learn a few things. makes complete sense to not allow weapon levels above that of the bot they're on, problem solved...but this way ppl need to spend more $$$ What would the noobs that "accidentally" level'd their weapons to level 12 do? Oh wait... |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 22, 2017 17:47:13 GMT -5
Nope, he represents his view. You represent yours, and I represent mine. Not sure why it would be otherwise. As for me, probably been pretty clear I'm a pro-Tier player. I believe simply requiring weapon level to be equal to or less than bot level would probably have given us quality play without being "seal clubbed" by imbalanced gear-runners gaming the system. Contrary to the opinion of some, despite my personal distaste for the practice of clubbing there are some damn good pilots out there who do it. I'd relish the chance to go up against them with normalized gear and learn a few things. makes complete sense to not allow weapon levels above that of the bot they're on, problem solved...but this way ppl need to spend more $$$ Why would they need to spend more money? You could easily make the counter that if someone's happy playing in Bronze Tier forever and has no ambition to progress, they never have to spend another scheckel on the game. This is a hindsight 20/20 thing, naturally. Implementing something like this would make a lot of players upset, too. "What do you mean I can't use my L12 Mags anymore?' No clean answers for Pixo on any of this. |
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