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Post by vin5240 on Nov 1, 2017 10:13:01 GMT -5
Since everyone is getting a kumiho provided they can finish the event, what is the best weapon combination for a kumiho? I am currently debating between a scourge setup and an orkan setup. I've heard many people say that scourge doesn't do much damage unless you get close.
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Post by arakos on Nov 1, 2017 10:14:54 GMT -5
Since everyone is getting a kumiho provided they can finish the event, what is the best weapon combination for a kumiho? I am currently debating between a scourge setup and an orkan setup. I've heard many people say that scourge doesn't do much damage unless you get close. Suprisingly enough, I might reach the Kumiho. I'd vote orkans: fast burst damage and dash away
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Post by _psychø on Nov 1, 2017 10:16:28 GMT -5
Orkans or Tarans.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 1, 2017 10:45:08 GMT -5
Since everyone is getting a kumiho provided they can finish the event, what is the best weapon combination for a kumiho? I am currently debating between a scourge setup and an orkan setup. I've heard many people say that scourge doesn't do much damage unless you get close. Orkans. Most definately not Scourge, you need a shield to make Scourge viable. BTW, "everyone" really means "everyone without a social life and regular job and is willing to play 8h a day for almost 3 weeks", right? Because this limits the number of players with access to a Kumiho, marginally.
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Post by arakos on Nov 1, 2017 10:53:41 GMT -5
BTW, "everyone" really means "everyone without a social life and regular job and is willing to play 8h a day for almost 3 weeks", right? Because this limits the number of players with access to a Kumiho, marginally. Oh come on! I still have HOPE you know?
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 1, 2017 10:54:10 GMT -5
Orkans. With kumiho's hp, pretty much any mech can give you a bad day if you stop and gawk long enough. Best to use a weapon that can discharge the majority of its damage quickly thus minimizing the time you need to sit still and aim. I don't know if firing while dashing is possible (I've tried on a friends account) but it would seem like a low percentage of landed shots.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 1, 2017 11:01:37 GMT -5
Orkans. With kumiho's hp, pretty much any mech can give you a bad day if you stop and gawk long enough. Best to use a weapon that can discharge the majority of its damage quickly thus minimizing the time you need to sit still and aim. I don't know if firing while dashing is possible (I've tried on a friends account) but it would seem like a low percentage of landed shots. Firing while dashing is possible but not accurate, correct. You can do it with some success if you dash back into cover, but it's rather hard when dashing out. Conpensating for a dash is easier when you have your target in the crosshairs. Dash, fire your Orkans, dash back into cover. A well piloted Orkan Kumiho will often take out 2 "normal" heavy robots before going down, assuming it can evade crossfire and snipers. If it can find 2 robots without Ancile.
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Post by stokr on Nov 1, 2017 11:12:39 GMT -5
I won a Kumiho fairly early on, but rarely used it, 'cause I was never happy with the performance. I didn't have a spare set of Orkans though. So, I tried Tulums...fail. Saved some WSP and tried Tarans...better, but not good enough to replace one of my Griffs. Finally I scored a pair of Orkans. Night and day difference. Needs to be at least 9/9, but is now in my main lineup.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 1, 2017 11:15:44 GMT -5
Orkans, nothing else is worth running.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Nov 1, 2017 12:07:15 GMT -5
I have run Orkans and Scourges so far, and even though I'm starting to like the scourges the more I use them, Orkans are the way to go.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 1, 2017 12:32:44 GMT -5
Get really good at welding and try to attach a third hardpoints so it will be able to keep up with the real Dash bots
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Post by Blurred Vision on Nov 1, 2017 12:46:25 GMT -5
I alternate between Orkans and Scourges, depending on what else I wanna run in my hangar. Lately I needed a bit more raw firepower in another bot, so I've been using Scourges on the Kumiho and Orkans on a DB Griff.
Scourges can be effective on Kumiho, but a few tips:
1) hunt down wounded bots to finish off first 2) look for other lights, e.g., Kumiho, Stalker, Jesse as your main targets 3) Carnage, Haechi, and Rogs are good secondary targets 4) catch unshielded bots, i.e., not Brit Bots, in the open and wear them down or drive them into cover
I've been getting 2-3 kills per match with Kumiho alone and still averaging 750k - 800k damage despite Kumiho's limited firepower and durability. Practice and recognizing opportunities are the keys to success.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Nov 1, 2017 12:50:15 GMT -5
I alternate between Orkans and Scourges, depending on what else I wanna run in my hangar. Lately I needed a bit more raw firepower in another bot, so I've been using Scourges on the Kumiho and Orkans on a DB Griff. Scourges can be effective on Kumiho, but a few tips: 1) hunt down wounded bots to finish off first 2) look for other lights, e.g., Kumiho, Stalker, Jesse as your main targets 3) Carnage, Haechi, and Rogs are good secondary targets 4) catch unshielded bots, i.e., not Brit Bots, in the open and wear them down or drive them into cover I've been getting 2-3 kills per match with Kumiho alone and still averaging 750k - 800k damage despite Kumiho's limited firepower and durability. Practice and recognizing opportunities are the keys to success. Well said.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Nov 1, 2017 12:50:58 GMT -5
SHOCKTRAIN! Just hit while dashing cover to cover!
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 1, 2017 17:36:58 GMT -5
Since everyone is getting a kumiho provided they can finish the event, what is the best weapon combination for a kumiho? I am currently debating between a scourge setup and an orkan setup. I've heard many people say that scourge doesn't do much damage unless you get close. Orkans. Most definately not Scourge, you need a shield to make Scourge viable. BTW, "everyone" really means "everyone without a social life and regular job and is willing to play 8h a day for almost 3 weeks", right? Because this limits the number of players with access to a Kumiho, marginally. I'm a college student taking the maximum credits allowed for a semester, and I hang out with friends, go to gym, and party once every two weeks with a GPA of 3.598/4.0 in Computer Science and I aim to try to complete it. It's been less than a week and I'm halfway through getting the raijin. Got orkan, 2 scourge left to go before kumiho. I think it's possible, and also I'm not tanking games either. Also, what if you use scourge as a ranged weapon like zeus? How is the damage output because I hear people say it's really good and some say the damage is weak.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 1, 2017 17:38:31 GMT -5
SHOCKTRAIN! Just hit while dashing cover to cover! I wish I had the weapon, but I don't because I'm a free to play player. But I got a set of orkans lying around and we are getting scourges in this event.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 1, 2017 17:47:27 GMT -5
I alternate between Orkans and Scourges, depending on what else I wanna run in my hangar. Lately I needed a bit more raw firepower in another bot, so I've been using Scourges on the Kumiho and Orkans on a DB Griff. Scourges can be effective on Kumiho, but a few tips: 1) hunt down wounded bots to finish off first 2) look for other lights, e.g., Kumiho, Stalker, Jesse as your main targets 3) Carnage, Haechi, and Rogs are good secondary targets 4) catch unshielded bots, i.e., not Brit Bots, in the open and wear them down or drive them into cover I've been getting 2-3 kills per match with Kumiho alone and still averaging 750k - 800k damage despite Kumiho's limited firepower and durability. Practice and recognizing opportunities are the keys to success. My hangar: RDB Griffen DB Griffen PDB Griffen Thunder Carnage Zeus+Gekko Natasha League: Champion Damage Per Game: 500k - 800k If I plan to use orkan kumiho, what bot should I switch out? Having a hard time deciding because I'm not under performing with any bot. Any suggestions? My thunders and zeus are lvl.11, tulumbas are lvl.12, and the rest are lvl.9
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Post by infraviolet on Nov 1, 2017 18:43:42 GMT -5
Orkans. There's no other bot that can close in on an enemy within the 300 M range as quickly as a Kumiho can with that weapon.
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Post by anjian on Nov 1, 2017 20:21:18 GMT -5
Orkans, as Tarans still demands too much face time exposure. I would think Shocktrain has even less face time.
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Post by DBCooper on Nov 1, 2017 21:02:42 GMT -5
I vote orkans too. Perfect hit and run bot. Also fun to do a kamikaze run on wounded lances and carnages and give em the good old korean death hug
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 2, 2017 0:29:20 GMT -5
Shocktrain.
Dash out of cover, do damage instantly, dash back to cover.
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Post by tekkamanblade on Nov 2, 2017 2:50:29 GMT -5
Orkans. Most definately not Scourge, you need a shield to make Scourge viable. BTW, "everyone" really means "everyone without a social life and regular job and is willing to play 8h a day for almost 3 weeks", right? Because this limits the number of players with access to a Kumiho, marginally. I'm a college student taking the maximum credits allowed for a semester, and I hang out with friends, go to gym, and party once every two weeks with a GPA of 3.598/4.0 in Computer Science and I aim to try to complete it. It's been less than a week and I'm halfway through getting the raijin. Got orkan, 2 scourge left to go before kumiho. I think it's possible, and also I'm not tanking games either. Also, what if you use scourge as a ranged weapon like zeus? How is the damage output because I hear people say it's really good and some say the damage is weak. Hanging out with friends: "Guys, look I have this game called War Robots, let me show you how to play it." "It's so cool, I'll give it a try man" ~~~5 hours later~~~ "It was a great night, had a lot of fun and completed the whole Trebs task, yeah! " "Bro, don't buy skins for Destrier, you dumbazz. You won't use it later on. Get your 4th slot first with all the gold. Oh, go buy thunders, quick." "Hey, pay attention to weapon range, don't mix a 300m pinata with a damn molot" Go to gym: "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, leave the game "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, leave "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, hmm there's 1 more red beacon no one is nearby. "10 reps, Chest done" Party: Back to room, close the door, put on headphone, turn on youtube Party on! Let me get that 46 kills ! Jokes aside ------------------------------- I'm a student too, I know how it is to take 18 credits, no joke. You could totally just do the minimum work and stay good grade, but you will have trouble in higher level courses if you keep such a bad study habit. Finishing Kumiho is not something to be proud, I would question my life if I actually completed it.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 2, 2017 4:17:05 GMT -5
Also, what if you use scourge as a ranged weapon like zeus? How is the damage output because I hear people say it's really good and some say the damage is weak. Scourge is well balanced, IMO, but a niche weapon. At long range a Zeus build does much more damage, at medium range a Taran is much better, but Scourge is Molot-like in that it deals more damage from up close. But you really, really need a shield for a Scourge build, because you need line of sight. Also I'd say it works only on Bulgasari or Zeus Lancelot, as both are shielded and have decent damage output. Kumiho Scourge is not a good idea. Scourge doesn't use the dash potential of the Kumiho well, and damage output from only 2 Scourges is subpar.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Nov 2, 2017 7:56:33 GMT -5
I alternate between Orkans and Scourges, depending on what else I wanna run in my hangar. Lately I needed a bit more raw firepower in another bot, so I've been using Scourges on the Kumiho and Orkans on a DB Griff. Scourges can be effective on Kumiho, but a few tips: 1) hunt down wounded bots to finish off first 2) look for other lights, e.g., Kumiho, Stalker, Jesse as your main targets 3) Carnage, Haechi, and Rogs are good secondary targets 4) catch unshielded bots, i.e., not Brit Bots, in the open and wear them down or drive them into cover I've been getting 2-3 kills per match with Kumiho alone and still averaging 750k - 800k damage despite Kumiho's limited firepower and durability. Practice and recognizing opportunities are the keys to success. My hangar: RDB Griffen DB Griffen PDB Griffen Thunder Carnage Zeus+Gekko Natasha League: Champion Damage Per Game: 500k - 800k If I plan to use orkan kumiho, what bot should I switch out? Having a hard time deciding because I'm not under performing with any bot. Any suggestions? My thunders and zeus are lvl.11, tulumbas are lvl.12, and the rest are lvl.9 If you have 2 more Orkans, I'd use the Orkan Kumiho in place of the RDB Griff. JMHO (just my humble opinion) but having two mid or long range bots in a 5-bot hangar will limit your damage output as you spend more time on the perimeter scouting targets. The Natasha has your range covered, and obviously more of it due to the 1100m distance of Gekkos and 600m Zeus. BTW, for that bot, you'd do best with Trebs instead of the Zeus as the range matches better with the Gekkos. But in the meantime, that would be my choice of range bot from your hangar. Not only range, but RDB has been nerfed enough that it no longer does enough damage for my wants & needs. PDB & DB Griff are more deadly than the RDB.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Nov 2, 2017 8:00:42 GMT -5
You ever have a seminal match that settles an argument in your head over which build is best? I just had one of those with the Kumiho. With Orkans, I opened a fight on Powerplant (granted, one of the best maps for this build) and promptly got 4 kills in the first two minutes with this bot alone.
With this, I think that Orkans are the best arms for Kumiho, but Scourge is still viable if you need the Orkans elsewhere. I don't have any Shocktrains yet but from what I've seen, in triplicate they're nasty. That said, I think Orkans first, then Scourge for the Kumi.
Just my $0.02.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 2, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5
If you have 2 more Orkans, I'd use the Orkan Kumiho in place of the RDB Griff. JMHO (just my humble opinion) but having two mid or long range bots in a 5-bot hangar will limit your damage output as you spend more time on the perimeter scouting targets. The Natasha has your range covered, and obviously more of it due to the 1100m distance of Gekkos and 600m Zeus. BTW, for that bot, you'd do best with Trebs instead of the Zeus as the range matches better with the Gekkos. Can't disagree more. Zeus Gekko Natasha is a tremendously efficient midrange bot, while Zeus Trebuchet Natasha is only an average sniper build. The trick is to see (and play) Zeus Natty essentially as midranger (~Zeus Fury) with added extra range on one Zeus, not as a sniper that's missing 2 heavy slots. 2 Gekkos do have roughly the same cycle DPS as 1 Zeus. And Zeus Fury is a meta build, but Zeus Natty is even better. Most players just haven't realized that. Of course, sometimes I use her as an anti-sniper weapon, trying to cripple enemy snipers with my 2 Gekkos. But that's not the main purpose, it's a positive side effect from not having to throw 5000 gold after a Fury and saving 35 million silver on the upgrade to level 12. Trebuchets always give you away, both to enemy snipers who can see where you are and if you are behind cover, and to all other robots. If I'm up against a Treb sniper I know exactly when I can charge/move, and if they fire I know that I can even take my time getting to wherever I want, because all they manage after charging for a few seconds is scratching the paint of my robot. A Gekko build is a completely different story. Plus, judging from the Treb glow you can always exactly locate the robot, and if you know the terrain then you have a pretty good idea if you can hit it with your favorite sniper weapon or not.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Nov 2, 2017 9:39:58 GMT -5
Can't disagree more. Zeus Gekko Natasha is a tremendously efficient midrange bot, while Zeus Trebuchet Natasha is only an average sniper build. The trick is to see (and play) Zeus Natty essentially as midranger (~Zeus Fury) with added extra range on one Zeus, not as a sniper that's missing 2 heavy slots. 2 Gekkos do have roughly the same cycle DPS as 1 Zeus. And Zeus Fury is a meta build, but Zeus Natty is even better. Most players just haven't realized that. Of course, sometimes I use her as an anti-sniper weapon, trying to cripple enemy snipers with my 2 Gekkos. But that's not the main purpose, it's a positive side effect from not having to throw 5000 gold after a Fury and saving 35 million silver on the upgrade to level 12. Trebuchets always give you away, both to enemy snipers who can see where you are and if you are behind cover, and to all other robots. If I'm up against a Treb sniper I know exactly when I can charge/move, and if they fire I know that I can even take my time getting to wherever I want, because all they manage after charging for a few seconds is scratching the paint of my robot. A Gekko build is a completely different story. Maybe I misrepresented my thoughts, but I'd never suggest using one Zeus, one Treb, and two Gekkos on a Natty. IMHO, a Zeus + Gekko Natty opens the pilot up to the same problems a Zeus Fury does: range-limited, leaving you susceptible to Tempests, Molots, Trebs, and Gekkos. I don't think 2 Gekkos would be enough of a deterrent for a determined hunter. Three Gekkos (on a Leo) or four on a Patton is another story, especially on Canyon, SF, or Yama. That's why I suggested (or meant to suggest) a 2 Treb, 2 Gekko setup. Get outta range of reds, and stay there meanwhile making life a hassle for your enemy. But hey, to each their own. What works for me may not work for you or OP, hence the beauty of many build options.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 2, 2017 11:31:28 GMT -5
Of course not I assumed you want to put 2 Trebs on a Natty. "Bad idea to swap out 2 Zeus for Trebs" was my reply. Yes, it has the same problem that a Zeus Fury has. No, Treb Gekko is not superior for that reason. Don't be afraid to take damage, or you'll lose due to inactivity. Zeus Gekko allows you to do well over 300k damage in 2-3 minutes before going down on most maps, on account of Zeus having more than 3 times the DPS that a Trebuchet has. If I manage to stay in that Natty for most of the battle, I'm pretty much guaranteed top damage, and I hit a million damage several times with a level 9 Zeus Molot Natty doing the heavy lifting (which is close to Zeus Gekko in terms of damage). As for the Gekkos, they have more effect than zero Gekkos on a Zeus Fury. I can cripple two Trebuchet snipers via shooting at them when it's safe and hiding when the Trebs are charged. In between I'll focus on closer targets that I can hit with Zeus. If 3 or more enemy snipers are pointing your lasers at you on Yama then yes, better hope your teammates have sniper builds too, and will try to catch the red snipers. But again, Zeus Gekko is neither a sniper build nor an anti-sniper build. It's a midranger with very limited anti-sniper capability, that should be played as midranger. If you have no midrange target, perhaps you can scare a sniper. If I wanted a sniper, I'd always choose the Gekko Kang-Dae Leo. I ran it for some time as designated anti-sniper and it was tremendously efficient, finishing off enemy snipers with ease even 2-3 levels below my other hangar. The only reason I shelved it was because it was also tremendously boring.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 2, 2017 19:15:47 GMT -5
My hangar: RDB Griffen DB Griffen PDB Griffen Thunder Carnage Zeus+Gekko Natasha League: Champion Damage Per Game: 500k - 800k If I plan to use orkan kumiho, what bot should I switch out? Having a hard time deciding because I'm not under performing with any bot. Any suggestions? My thunders and zeus are lvl.11, tulumbas are lvl.12, and the rest are lvl.9 If you have 2 more Orkans, I'd use the Orkan Kumiho in place of the RDB Griff. JMHO (just my humble opinion) but having two mid or long range bots in a 5-bot hangar will limit your damage output as you spend more time on the perimeter scouting targets. The Natasha has your range covered, and obviously more of it due to the 1100m distance of Gekkos and 600m Zeus. BTW, for that bot, you'd do best with Trebs instead of the Zeus as the range matches better with the Gekkos. But in the meantime, that would be my choice of range bot from your hangar. Not only range, but RDB has been nerfed enough that it no longer does enough damage for my wants & needs. PDB & DB Griff are more deadly than the RDB. I'm actually doing pretty decent with the RDB Griffen. There has been a few games where I get 550k with it alone. And I kill DB Griffen more often than they kill me because I keep my distance. As a matter of fact, I killed a aphid,taran griffen, and then he spawn a DB griffen and I killed it before it could lay a single missle on me. That's why I'm hesitant to replace it. Also, if I see a teammate ready to engage with an ancilot, I fire from afar and wear their shield down for my team. Because I need to get close to use DB griffen, often it's an eye for eye. I kill him and I'm just a sliver of hp away from death too while I can wear enemy down from afar with RDB, wait and reload, and then jump and finish him off.
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 2, 2017 19:20:28 GMT -5
I'm a college student taking the maximum credits allowed for a semester, and I hang out with friends, go to gym, and party once every two weeks with a GPA of 3.598/4.0 in Computer Science and I aim to try to complete it. It's been less than a week and I'm halfway through getting the raijin. Got orkan, 2 scourge left to go before kumiho. I think it's possible, and also I'm not tanking games either. Also, what if you use scourge as a ranged weapon like zeus? How is the damage output because I hear people say it's really good and some say the damage is weak. Hanging out with friends: "Guys, look I have this game called War Robots, let me show you how to play it." "It's so cool, I'll give it a try man" ~~~5 hours later~~~ "It was a great night, had a lot of fun and completed the whole Trebs task, yeah! " "Bro, don't buy skins for Destrier, you dumbazz. You won't use it later on. Get your 4th slot first with all the gold. Oh, go buy thunders, quick." "Hey, pay attention to weapon range, don't mix a 300m pinata with a damn molot" Go to gym: "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, leave the game "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, leave "10 reps" Capture 2 beacons, hmm there's 1 more red beacon no one is nearby. "10 reps, Chest done" Party: Back to room, close the door, put on headphone, turn on youtube Party on! Let me get that 46 kills ! Jokes aside ------------------------------- I'm a student too, I know how it is to take 18 credits, no joke. You could totally just do the minimum work and stay good grade, but you will have trouble in higher level courses if you keep such a bad study habit. Finishing Kumiho is not something to be proud, I would question my life if I actually completed it. I'm a junior and have already completed most of my high level courses and I'm doing perfectly fine. As a matter of fact, I'm a junior with a senior status from taking many courses and petitioning to take over the limit as well. I'm also a member of an executive board for engineers and computer scientist for my school's student organization. I'm just saying it's not impossible and I'd be proud if I finish it Also, when I'm at the gym, my focus is on the gym. And no one gives a ?poo-poo? about video games at parties. So laugh all you want. Just because you can't balance college work, social life, gym, and this game, doesn't mean others can't. P.S. - thanks for those beats, might add it to my tracks for when I go to the gym.
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