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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 25, 2017 12:09:42 GMT -5
After you quit a determined amount of games (lets say more than 5 over 50) you should be placed in a special "quitter" queue where you'll be paired with and against people with same stat; after completing like 10 matches w/o quitting you'll be back on normal queue That is a very good idea. I know I very very rarely quit out of frustration. If I get all my bot's annihilated I don't feel like sitting threw a 10 minute game so I'll leave, will that count twords a punishment? If I'm trying to get into a game with my wife to get her on my battle history to squad I will drop out of a few games till we match up seeing as how the current friend system on the game is non existent. I don't think there should be a punishment and can't think of one game that implements one. the game should look harder for more people to add in the spots, really.
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Post by maracas on Jan 25, 2017 16:29:23 GMT -5
the best way to overcome leaving tactic is easy with the current MM.
i was wrong about this statement: "leaving doesn't reduce winning rate"; it does, with the current MM lower winning rate should give u an easier match, not like in the past gepard against the world and win though.
so changing the leaving battle mechanic (to not reducing the winning rate) would be a serious blow to this issue (and it will be healthy for those that got dced and are trying to built winning rate)
this should be done assap... because this issue will be exploited heavily now...
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Post by gamingbulldog on Jan 25, 2017 20:26:44 GMT -5
There should be greater rewards the higher you are. This would encourage people to try and win as much as possible. The cost of some items might have to be changed, but I think with some work it could really help.
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Post by maracas on Jan 25, 2017 20:33:59 GMT -5
no... if u increase eu rewards but increase market prizes, it will be inflation of the currency, and it may go seriously bad (like increase income by 10% but increasing prizes by 12%, u will think it is just 2% but...2% of 5000? XD.)
either increase eu or reduce cost. i disagree with both.
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Post by tagnal on Jan 25, 2017 20:57:24 GMT -5
I don't see any way of doing this reasonably. There's nothing to stop the user from turning off his home wifi or his device's receiver in lieu of quitting if disconnections don't carry a penalty. That's a lot of work just to quit a match...TBH I would just continue playing or suck the penalty up It's not even that difficult. All you have to do is flip your device into airplane mode. Wait for the return to hangar button appears, and then disable airplane mode.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Jan 25, 2017 21:50:08 GMT -5
I see most people talked about resources penalty / incentive. How about something like "4 leaves within 10 minutes and you will be banned to join battle for 30 minutes"?
Just some wild thoughts...
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 26, 2017 4:30:18 GMT -5
That's a lot of work just to quit a match...TBH I would just continue playing or suck the penalty up It's not even that difficult. All you have to do is flip your device into airplane mode. Wait for the return to hangar button appears, and then disable airplane mode. I was talking about the other quote, where he turned off his wifi router and something
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 26, 2017 4:31:23 GMT -5
I see most people talked about resources penalty / incentive. How about something like "4 leaves within 10 minutes and you will be banned to join battle for 30 minutes"? Just some wild thoughts... 4 consecutive leaves in a period of 15 mins should be good, even if they had bad connection, they would stop playing at 2 games
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Post by ronin on Jan 26, 2017 4:48:06 GMT -5
I voted "yes" but it kind of depend for penalty. If penalty would be like "banned for life" then no. But if penalty is like "banned for next 1h from first time up to 12h for 12:th time in same month" then yes.
Allso it should not come in one time thing, but like suggested 3+ times in let's say one hour or so. (After all it can not be that you can "cherry pick" to quit in 2 match, then just sit in a corner one, then quit for 2 and repeat untill your win rate is closer to 0% or what ever you are trying to get from such childish actions.
BTW Naturally you should not get penalty if you have made enough actions. Meaning not a sane person would drop out in late period of game when he have fought hard and so on. Most people who want to quit do it asap / during first minute or so without making any damage/ capping or so. Sure if someone have been standing without doing anything for 5min and then quit.. ..and keep doing that for multiple games in a row then some penalties.
I think there are many reasons why people might want to just.. ..well, went inactive and stop playing. Like if your kid need some real help or so, who care for a game then? But like stated up there it is pretty easy to see who try to "low his win rate" and drop out from game in purpose.
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Post by aussieds on Jan 26, 2017 5:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 26, 2017 7:27:29 GMT -5
How about a time penalty for quitters? Leave 3 times in a row, you wont be able to play for 10 minutes.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 26, 2017 7:38:55 GMT -5
The real issue are kids that quit because their parents tell them to. what about that?
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 26, 2017 7:44:58 GMT -5
The real issue are kids that quit because their parents tell them to. what about that? How many times in row will that happen?
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 26, 2017 9:01:10 GMT -5
The real issue are kids that quit because their parents tell them to. what about that? How many times in row will that happen? *shrugs* Attachment Deleted
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 26, 2017 9:32:39 GMT -5
If there's going to be a leaver penalty, I feel that there should be the option to choose which map you want to play on.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Jan 26, 2017 9:51:00 GMT -5
Simply penalize leaving and people will simply stay long enough to satisfy whatever boundaries you put in place. That doesn't mean they will actually contribute. Whatever system you choose to impose, you can't force people to contribute meaningfully to something when they fundamentally don't want to participate.
Before the new matchmaker, when I saw blues exploiting the game with trimag or triaphid geps I simply left the match rather than contribute to their "farming" at my expense in matches that predictably would be noncompetitive and not involve me significantly anyway. If you penalize me for refusing to help clubbers club (and get much higher rewards than possible for me and others unless we join them in exploiting the system), I'll move on to a different game. You can't please all of the people all of the time - would you rather retain clubbers by forcing people to feed them gold and silver or retain players who bring a spirit of fair competition to this game?
Tanking Elo is different from dropping matches. You can try looking for patterns of Elo manipulation and discouraging them, but penalizing people for dropping matches (which includes dropped connections, real life interfering, choosing to avoid a-hole teammates, or simply realizing that a particular battle is completely not fun for whatever reason) will bring undesired consequences that outweigh any potential benefit.
If the concern is dropping matches to tank Elo, then penalize systematic Elo manipulation. That's probably an easier pattern to recognize reliably anyway, compared to trying to understand why someone has left a match.
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Post by gamingbulldog on Jan 26, 2017 20:17:45 GMT -5
no... if u increase eu rewards but increase market prizes, it will be inflation of the currency, and it may go seriously bad (like increase income by 10% but increasing prizes by 12%, u will think it is just 2% but...2% of 5000? XD.) either increase eu or reduce cost. i disagree with both. 2% of 5000 is only 10. Yes it's not a perfect solution. However, neither is the current as it can be easily manipulated. Another way to help would be to not give rewards for a match unless you stay at leave 90 seconds. Thereby drastically reducing the volume of matches players can quickly throw to lower their elos. Yes they will still be able to manipulate the system but it is a quick fix that should help until Pixonic can think of a more complete solution.
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Post by blastronaut on Jan 26, 2017 20:30:40 GMT -5
I'm sincerely hoping that leavers(not connection loss) and 0 damage 0 beacon pilots (which are most of the times the same people) get penalized in the harshest way possible. Hell I wish there was something like 3 gold penalty. Product of puppy attention spanned, impatient miserable people. Coming up with excuses like "if someone leaves, I leave too". Right under emotional characteristics of 5-7 year Olds, comes "Alert to feelings of others but unaware of how their own actions affect others" Considering this is a 6vs6 game, leaving should have had consequences except for lousy profile stats. Having any number of people not present in the battle leads to frustration in small teams like this. This leaving business got out of hand in the last 2-3 weeks or so. Having at least 1 leaver in almost every single battle. Get off your high horse bro. #FarmerLivesMatter
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Post by gravediggers on Jan 27, 2017 1:35:56 GMT -5
I played one game where it was impossible to leave unless you turned your phone off you could not leave you had to stay in the game or turn your phone off only way you could leave otherwise was if you were dead so basically this game you have to use up all your robots before you could leave or turn your phone off
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Post by gravediggers on Jan 27, 2017 1:36:36 GMT -5
I played one game where it was impossible to leave unless you turned your phone off you could not leave you had to stay in the game or turn your phone off only way you could leave otherwise was if you were dead so basically this game you have to use up all your robots before you could leave or turn your phone off
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Post by maracas on Jan 27, 2017 20:48:58 GMT -5
2% of 5000 is only 10. Yes it's not a perfect solution. However, neither is the current as it can be easily manipulated. Another way to help would be to not give rewards for a match unless you stay at leave 90 seconds. Thereby drastically reducing the volume of matches players can quickly throw to lower their elos. Yes they will still be able to manipulate the system but it is a quick fix that should help until Pixonic can think of a more complete solution. yeah i did a mistake there, i was kinda sleepy. 12% of 5000 as inflation cost. (it will be 5600) 10% increase on eu rewards (best case u gain 10 eu so with the increase it will be 11 eu) so 600 - 1 = 599, this happen quite often in real world XDD now if there is no increase in cost, it will take 11 perfect wins to feel that 10%... yeah better than nothing but feels it is too much and not worth the effort cuz people will rage at there forum for this... remove the reduction of winning rate when leaving feels ok with the current MM system ( but depending on the code this could be more complex than any other way...)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 1:37:23 GMT -5
Funny watching one of the big guilds, Warwolves with a full squad all level 30, immediately end game literally a second after the start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 2:56:56 GMT -5
Funny watching one of the big guilds, Warwolves with a full squad all level 30, immediately end game literally a second after the start. Wait until they start with hearthwarming stories about how they "just want to squad together" and "beeing on top brings the haterz"... @topic: punishment please. Harsh one. "Lag" is not an excuse. The player is responsible for his actions - so just dont play if your connection is that bad, or at least start trying after a couple of discos. (Tbh as your team member i dont care if your a miserable clubber or playing on a bamboo connection - both result in the same)
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Post by carvr on Jan 28, 2017 7:20:32 GMT -5
See when they decided to leave by checking the beacon bars. Match ended up with eight 0-0 pilots of which 2 got disconnected. Cheers to the brave soul that bombarded our initial approach off the ramp and did not give up afterwards.
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Post by poisonelf on Jan 28, 2017 12:00:19 GMT -5
I am going to have to go no on this, based that they have done nothing about this before. I have sent in reports of dozens and dozens of matches of 2 -3 0 players on my team many times repeating match after match, what was done then, nothing?
The attempt to dismantle some of the best clans in the game basically has been a failure from what I can tell, and the max 12 clans are still not number 1 ranking. Now Pandoras box has been open, with past activities of nerfing the Rog, and now The gep, its speed, its health, the weapons slowed down, just what of the max 12 is always getting nerfed, nothing. Yet these players are in 4/6 matches and now in starter matches, and get the upgraded ancile for invuln Lancelots. This is the IGNORED real problem. Many can't make that jump from level 4ish straight into max matches constantly so some max players can act cool putting videos on youtube smoking easy competition. Clans that battled themselves now are put to the bronze levels with stronger hangers then Geps, that is why they own the pilot of the day, hour etc, including one clan top 4.
People now are using the leave match to effect their standing, EXACTLY LIKE THIS COMPANY WAS TOLD BEFORE HAND. So since it is no surprise at all, penalties will just alter to sitting in match for a minute etc. With quests like get three beacons in one match with a little bot, its even designed to have 5 cossack with shields to do your quest, resulting in no damage, if 5 can survive the 12's.
This new MM has resulted in me personally doubling the consecutive win streak, and sitting at 100% victories, I never had before, and done solo. With so many lost connections, server drops, and new one on me, loss match soon as i entered, but not on either team? With poles I have seen before, they think they are going to stop people leaving Springfield the 5 or so times of 10 they try to force you into that disaster, that is probably 80% of the player base.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 29, 2017 12:53:12 GMT -5
I played one game where it was impossible to leave unless you turned your phone off you could not leave you had to stay in the game or turn your phone off only way you could leave otherwise was if you were dead so basically this game you have to use up all your robots before you could leave or turn your phone off Isn't that called clash royale?
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 29, 2017 17:15:55 GMT -5
Funny watching one of the big guilds, Warwolves with a full squad all level 30, immediately end game literally a second after the start. When squadding I've seen VTSC do this, too, repeatedly and on different days. It's a disgusting way to intentionally tank their Elo score. Then I ran into this guy on Blue the other day. Couldn't find enough clannies to squad with so he was trying to see if he could tank the game for others. I refused. I carried and won the match even though he never got out of a Noricum Gep the whole game. He finished with 40k damage. Just completely disgusting. The MM was a chance for a reset, but it's clear that VTSC has no honor and will always seek the bottom of the bucket.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 30, 2017 7:38:24 GMT -5
An idea is to make like clash royale, where you cannot quit unless you turn off the app, like someone else said earlier. Just giving people an image to work off of.
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 30, 2017 11:42:57 GMT -5
How about fix the stupid MM and rewards system so players feel they want to stay in the battle
punishing players is not the answer.. Punishing players means players will quit .Pixonic wants more players and more revenue not less.. Common Sense alone dictates that punishing players like this suggestion will never ever happen
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 30, 2017 13:45:08 GMT -5
How about fix the stupid MM and rewards system so players feel they want to stay in the battle punishing players is not the answer.. Punishing players means players will quit .Pixonic wants more players and more revenue not less.. Common Sense alone dictates that punishing players like this suggestion will never ever happen first of all, the new mm was to fix the old one, and it is in no way the finished product. Secondly, more rewards or changed rewards will lose Pix revenue, so i doubt that will happen. And third of all, the new mm helps people to not quit by moving the people with terrible bots and low win rate to lower matches, making my matches more fun.
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