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Post by Arkontas on Oct 19, 2017 17:26:09 GMT -5
Hello again. First off, I'd like to sincerely apologize for the frequency of my posts here on a similar topic. I wouldn't do this if I did not feel it was important, and I hope you all can understand that. If I'm violating any board rules, please let me know and I'll make the adjustments.
I've recently been contacted by Tofsla, and they mentioned that we could submit some feedback to the dev team/Pixonic, as well as some other information. I go into further detail in my reddit post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/77hjrz/we_need_your_feedback_to_submit_to_pixonicthe_dev/
If you have the chance to read over my post, I would really like to hear what you would want to tell Pixonic. It's 110% okay if you respond on here, I will monitor this site as well. Thanks a lot, everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:35:22 GMT -5
Here or there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:49:21 GMT -5
There's nothing to say that hasn't been said.
The matchmaker is obviously making mismatches to provoke spending habits. It's the only reason for it to exist in it's current state despite the loopholes and user outcry since it came out in February. The moment it was found that hangar grade/equipment was no longer a factor in the MM, the idea of the MM bring nothing more than a tool to drive sales came up. It took longer for some than others to come around to that way of thinking, but after eight months of absolutely no changes for the better, it is almost universally accepted. Stop match fixing. If the asking price for items was a tenth of what it is now, match fixing would be subtle, as smaller purchases would be easy to swallow in terms of the "see it-want it-buy it" that match fixing is meant to bring about.
Leveling progression is far too slow, and the only reason for it to remain this way despite all of the statements from Pixonic itself that the top brackets are scarce, is to push profits from the players that have to contend with the next power level up (Thanks to the aforementioned MM) until they cave in and buy, or play for months to catch up with the people they are playing against RIGHT NOW. This was an issue before, item promotion just exacerbates it.
The recent announcements are half heartedly claiming that the method of rollout has been poor, and that the players have been heard, yet there is no deviation from said actions that were being apologized for. The placebos that they have tried to offer are in no way enough to placate the angry masses of players over the concepts that Pixonic official statements have written is Pixonic's fault.
Stop asking the community to wait and prioritize your project. Evey update, Pixonic seems legitimately surprised at the negativity in the trending threads of their community pages. When there are large scale revolts from the playerbase on every social media platform concerning your game and business, it is time to examine the most common critisisms, put what you're working on aside, and focus on releasing the remedies to those issues. Doing anything else seems disingenuous, as the more items/features that serve no purpose other than convoluting the game, while they weren't asked for (or rallied against), while the core issues of malcontent are not touched, the less confidence the playerbase will have in your announcements.
We're told "wait for the next update!", and have been told such for 3 months, while everything to come of it has been anything but an answer. Instead it is just more of what Pixonic thinks is a good idea, and what will fill it's pockets as quickly as possible, with little to no effort in actually adressing the issues raved on in any meaningful way.
"The next update" Pixonic has continually asked us to wait for should have been update 3.1, not 3.4.
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Post by bloodynipples on Oct 19, 2017 17:49:39 GMT -5
I'm not complaining, but how much feedback do they need? Their face book page is full of it. Their comments on the playstore ratings are full of it. They get feedback from the test servers. They heard it from StuPendious, Adrian, and other major you tubers. They put out a statement saying they heard us loud and clear. How can they not have any idea of what they did wrong? I'm sure they heard it from you as well, they still don't listen. I appreciate that you want to help, but if you know what everyone is upset about, I KNOW that Pix knows what the community is upset about.
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Post by H1151 on Oct 19, 2017 18:02:11 GMT -5
Hello. Please kindly submit the bird. A big one.
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Post by Replicant on Oct 19, 2017 18:14:12 GMT -5
ArkontasIn order of relative importance: 1.) Match Maker regularly matches radically un-equal comps. I get that platform population is a significant factor here, but bottom-line is mixing The top three leagues down into Silver and Gold is not a good playing experience. If Pixonic is going to match Expert+ with Gold and below, they need to do some handicapping. 2.) I didn't download a robot game so that I could play low-odds slots. Its not fun, its not rewarding, and if anything it interferes with actually playing the game. 3.) The disregard for balancing new Bots and Weapons is a strong disincentive to spending real money on the game. The cost of new equipment is being justified by its over-powered nature. If I want a challenging (or at least competitive) game, spending a couple hundred dollars to remove that challenge is counter-productive. Worse, if I spend the money to reduce the number of matches where I'm under-gunned relative to the competition, my reward is being heavily over-gunned. In either case, the results of the match are largely predetermined by the Match Maker, the game loses long-term appeal, and I am strongly disincentivised to spend more than a token amount of money.
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Post by threl on Oct 19, 2017 18:40:33 GMT -5
1. All new robots and weapons seem to have astronomical prices and insane ability. I want lower prices and good ability back again. I’m okay with spending small amounts of money on this game, but all the new equipment is highly priced, way out of both my range and conscience, and adding to that, they are also highly powered, making it frustrating for players like me who can neither afford nor combat these new bots/weapons. 2. I really dislike the new currencies. I think that prior to 3.1, they had a decent system in place, but now the balance has been ruined. 3. I’d like updates to be immediate. At my point of the game, I would never spend gold to speed upgrades because I want more important things, and at the point of the game that I will want to spend gold on upgrades I will not want to buy gold for money. It’s unnecessary and annoying. It also prevents me from trying new builds in orderly time because I have to interrupt the upgrade cycles of my main build for a long time to get them up to par.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 19:07:14 GMT -5
Let's put that on here twice over.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 19, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -5
I concur with a lot of the issues stated earlier. I've also been in the game quite some time and look back with fondness when tactics played a bigger part in battle. This is not the case today where it becomes a case of who fires first with the newer stronger weapon or mech. Upping hitpoints or bringing down damage across the board would do much to address this. It would also contribute to a bigger market. Like many parents out there, I was excited to introduce my kids to the game. It was fun and we were able to bond in an activity that was interesting for all. With the introduction of aggressive matching, my kids all but abandoned the game after being steamrolled several times. They said they found it too hard. MM needs to consider this. I for one would not mind in the least if I had to spend a little to keep my kids happy in a game we all loved. Current prices and grind times serve far more to frustrate than to encourage young players like these and the parents that want to support them. I suggest faster upgrade times or different upgrade tracks for weapons and bots..or both. I'd also urge pixonic to look into creating mechanics/rewards for all light mech, medium mech or large mech battles. That way, all products can stay relevant and players are not unintentionally penalized for experimenting earlier in their careers. Lastly, I ask that new weapons be allowed a wider release at a more reasonable cost (grind and coin) than bots. Particularly since they help smoothen out introduction of new bots by providing more ways to counter them. Just some ideas that have built up. I really hope you guys give due attention to the concerns submitted. You have a dedicated fan base and a lot riding on your response.
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Post by killmall420 on Oct 19, 2017 21:08:22 GMT -5
No use going over the same old thing they known how we fill. but here something new they may want to look at. in death match it seams that player have figured out if you dump your bot when life is low the other team won't get a kill. easy fix other team automatically get the kill if you dump your bot. I'm likeing the new game so far. or take the time limit out you have to kill all the other teams Bots then it doesn't matter if you dump your bot .i would like time limit to be removed but either way will fix the problem . ty hope this helps
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 21:20:13 GMT -5
Tell them to remove the metal stump in Canyon.
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Post by roadbot on Oct 19, 2017 21:30:30 GMT -5
Hello again. First off, I'd like to sincerely apologize for the frequency of my posts here on a similar topic. I wouldn't do this if I did not feel it was important, and I hope you all can understand that. If I'm violating any board rules, please let me know and I'll make the adjustments. I've recently been contacted by Tofsla, and they mentioned that we could submit some feedback to the dev team/Pixonic, as well as some other information. I go into further detail in my reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/77hjrz/we_need_your_feedback_to_submit_to_pixonicthe_dev/ If you have the chance to read over my post, I would really like to hear what you would want to tell Pixonic. It's 110% okay if you respond on here, I will monitor this site as well. Thanks a lot, everyone. Look man, im going to be straight with you, no trolling or whitty crap. From my perspective, you are wasting peoples time giving them a false hope. I dont know if youre doing this on purpose because you have some deal with pix, or id youre just that naive and unaware of the situation. I find it hard to believe that anyone would sincerely believe pixonic is truly interested in changing. Now, if you do actually genuinely believe they will actually change, PLEASE, by all means, give me 1 valid reason, give me the basis/foundation for why you believe this. Im serious, i havent seen ANYTHING showing they actually plan to change, ive seen the opposite. What have you seen that leads you to believe them? I think youre just being blindly hopeful and "positive" or "optimistic", but realize theres a HUGE difference between being optimistic based on reality, and being "optimistic" based on absolutely no reason other than the fantasy/hope that exists only in your mind. Or maybe youre angry because of all the money you spent, and youre just not ready to say "i made a mistake spending so much and now realize how stupid it really was, and im going to see the "entertainment" (not game) for what it really is, gambling addiction and being ignorant". But dude, whatever, people make mistakes, just let the money go. Or maybe its something else, i dont know you. But by all means, if you hsve any tangible proof that pixonic is actually going to make MAJOR, FUNDAMENTAL changes, then please! Show us. Cause so far everything you're doing has been done before, and look at where were at now. Worse than ever. Theres no more feedback to give, pixonic chose to ignore everyone, it is what it is. The simple fact theyre even asking for more feedback is straight up insulting.
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Post by zeframmann on Oct 19, 2017 23:08:52 GMT -5
Hello again. First off, I'd like to sincerely apologize for the frequency of my posts here on a similar topic. I wouldn't do this if I did not feel it was important, and I hope you all can understand that. If I'm violating any board rules, please let me know and I'll make the adjustments. I've recently been contacted by Tofsla, and they mentioned that we could submit some feedback to the dev team/Pixonic, as well as some other information. I go into further detail in my reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/77hjrz/we_need_your_feedback_to_submit_to_pixonicthe_dev/ If you have the chance to read over my post, I would really like to hear what you would want to tell Pixonic. It's 110% okay if you respond on here, I will monitor this site as well. Thanks a lot, everyone. Look man, im going to be straight with you, no trolling or whitty crap. From my perspective, you are wasting peoples time giving them a false hope. I dont know if youre doing this on purpose because you have some deal with pix, or id youre just that naive and unaware of the situation. I find it hard to believe that anyone would sincerely believe pixonic is truly interested in changing. Now, if you do actually genuinely believe they will actually change, PLEASE, by all means, give me 1 valid reason, give me the basis/foundation for why you believe this. Im serious, i havent seen ANYTHING showing they actually plan to change, ive seen the opposite. What have you seen that leads you to believe them? I think youre just being blindly hopeful and "positive" or "optimistic", but realize theres a HUGE difference between being optimistic based on reality, and being "optimistic" based on absolutely no reason other than the fantasy/hope that exists only in your mind. Or maybe youre angry because of all the money you spent, and youre just not ready to say "i made a mistake spending so much and now realize how stupid it really was, and im going to see the "entertainment" (not game) for what it really is, gambling addiction and being ignorant". But dude, whatever, people make mistakes, just let the money go. Or maybe its something else, i dont know you. But by all means, if you hsve any tangible proof that pixonic is actually going to make MAJOR, FUNDAMENTAL changes, then please! Show us. Cause so far everything you're doing has been done before, and look at where were at now. Worse than ever. Theres no more feedback to give, pixonic chose to ignore everyone, it is what it is. The simple fact theyre even asking for more feedback is straight up insulting. This, in a nutshell. Pixonic has never given any indication they care about feedback, so there's no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt now.
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Post by Paps on Oct 19, 2017 23:49:58 GMT -5
Pixonic can eat 「dookie」.
Pass THAT along.
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Post by anjian on Oct 20, 2017 0:11:26 GMT -5
You can submit feedback using the app for the live server, if you go to the last page where you see Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and Instagram, the sixth square is for feedback, issues and reports.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Oct 20, 2017 0:25:00 GMT -5
The game keeps getting worse instead of better despite the fact that the players are extremely vocal here, on youtube, on facebook, and other places Pixonic can easily monitor. It's inconceivable that Pixonic does such a poor job at understanding the players when the players spend hours a day detailing their thoughts. Edit: If pixonic still doesn't understand what the problems are it's about time to give up hope that they can fix them. They can't even identify them.
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Post by zeframmann on Oct 20, 2017 0:33:35 GMT -5
Let's make it a third time. Pix has it's feedback.
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Post by roadbot on Oct 20, 2017 0:53:26 GMT -5
I have an idea. If you still want to make petitions and all, and if you want to give pixonic feedback.
Make a petition to GOOGLE and maybe the government, telling them that this software, and any software with a similar monetization scheme, need to be reclassified, and barred from being made available to minors. For example, for War Robots, somewhere on google play it should say "18 and up" as well as clearly point out that this software is a gambling service.
This can accomplish both our goals: 1. Either pixonic will not want to get sued/banned from the appstore, and will remove the whole 「dookie」 monetization scheme in favor a more player friendly one, and that way they can keep access to minors, and the game recovers, pixonic still makes money simply at a more reasonable pace, and everyone is happy
Or 2. Pixonic will say 「fluffernutter」 it and let the game be pulled from the play store because theyll lose easy access to minors, not want to get sued, will lose many potential players when they see the words gambling, and so pixonic will kill War Robots and go make some straight up gambling service, like apparently "Zynga" did.
And again, everyone can be happy, because although our beloved game will be long gone, at least we would be able to say we knocked the 「fluffernutter」 out of pixonic, and who knows, maybe make an example out of them. Cause on xbox ps4 computer everywhere "game" developers are doing the exact same 「fluffernutter」ing thing.
Probably impossible but man o man it'd be freaking awesome if it happened, tear pixonic a new one ?
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Post by 7iquid on Oct 20, 2017 0:53:27 GMT -5
BR was fun. You had a chance at facing an opponent close up and not being constantly shot at by Geckos and Trebs. BR reignited my interest in the game.
Now Pix have merged it with DOM.
Where is the fun for players who want short range, intense battles without being shot by a Spydra? Now you have a 50/50 chance of getting a laser show.
What a mess. What a sad, sad mess.
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Post by Amleth on Oct 20, 2017 4:17:23 GMT -5
I would really like to hear what you would want to tell Pixonic. Tell them they need to fix this fresh nonsense BEFORE the Halloween event starts, or there'll be a total shipstorm of etic proportions. They've dangled a time-limited free dash for players to earn then made it basically impossible to actually do so due to also introducing a frustrating control input bug in the same update. If you thought players were pissed about dash availability NOW, wait until the outcry once the event actually starts...
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 20, 2017 4:20:49 GMT -5
Pixo supposedly has people reading this forum.
We have given input in the past, plenty of it. Round table, does that ring a bell? Don't bother, talking to Pixo is wasted time.
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Post by Shooty McRobot on Oct 20, 2017 10:02:46 GMT -5
I'm not complaining, but how much feedback do they need? Their face book page is full of it. Their comments on the playstore ratings are full of it. They get feedback from the test servers. They heard it from StuPendious, Adrian, and other major you tubers. They put out a statement saying they heard us loud and clear. How can they not have any idea of what they did wrong? I'm sure they heard it from you as well, they still don't listen. I appreciate that you want to help, but if you know what everyone is upset about, I KNOW that Pix knows what the community is upset about. I don't disagree that they've heard everything they need to hear at this point, particularly since they say they very much listen to our feedback. And I don't think Arkontas is naive in that respect. I think what this represents, here on the bubbling froth of the community's discontent, is a final attempt to organize all of that feedback, weed out all the hatred and bile, and present a comprehensive summary of the consensus. It seems this has been presented in a rolling way across all social platforms, but this is a way to clean it up, make it concise, make it clear. I doubt, as do you and others in this thread, that this will make any more difference than the rest of it, but I think what it represents is sort of going through the formal motions such that, after this, if things continue to spiral away, it would be something solid and tangible to serve as a common point of reference for anyone to point to if it comes time to engage with them again. Does it feel kind of pointless? Yes, kind of like sending yet another invoice to the delinquent client who you know is still not going to pay, but just for the purpose of laying down that official, documented trail for when you have to make your case in court that you made an earnest effort to collect and the client knew it and still refused to pay according to what they agreed to in the contract. I think that's basically what this is. It's hard to know how much the online chatter represents the likely future behavior of the full player base, but it's all we've got, and it's not looking good currently. So I guess one more swipe at it for the record, a last chance as it were. One thing I think we shouldn't do is assume we even know what they're going to ask him and the others in this survey. I'm not sure he knows yet. He wants to make sure to represent the community's sentiments fully and accurately and responsibly, but their questions might not allow for it depending on the structure of this thing. So all of the above, my attempt to say what this represents, may not be possible via this particular channel, so we shouldn't necessarily assume the message has been sent just because he does the survey. But I think it's useful for him to collect and compile the most prominent complaints just to be armed in case he gets his chance to communicate them. I do think it looks bad that they have heard so much feedback this year, say that they're listening, and even had that roundtable thing to truly get the sentiment of a cross section of the community, but have made changes that go even further in the opposite direction to make things worse than what people previously complained about rather than make them better. They say the customer is always right, and that's right, but ultimately that shows up best on the balance sheet than on the complaint form. So even if everybody is angry online, if that revenue figure is going up, our input will carry less weight than our collective spending trends.
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Post by mechtout on Oct 20, 2017 10:04:56 GMT -5
"Eat dirt"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 10:36:21 GMT -5
Oh, forgot to add. Whatever "fixes" they come up with need to br released as soon as they're ready. I don't think any fix is going to do anything if we have to wait for 3.4 anyway. They got feedback from 2.9-3.3 saying the same thing, and have been getting feedback since February about more than half of the issues bought up here and on Reddit. Saying they've heard us, and that war robots isn't pay to win, then introducing features that cost billions of Ag and a couple hundred bucks worth of au for an advantage is literally a kick in the teeth.
It was said elsewhere, this isn't a game anymore. It's an entertainment service. You pay for entertainment, and you are fodder for anyone paying more, and that's how they try to keep you paying.
The most upset group of players are the ones that have spent hundreds over the years, and actually treat War Robots like a competetive game. It's just an interactive netflix now, a season ticket to the theaters, an entertainment service (which is what the apologists have been comparing it to).
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Post by zeframmann on Oct 20, 2017 10:41:57 GMT -5
This, but replace "dirt" with another word with four letters.
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Post by wildboar on Oct 20, 2017 10:55:08 GMT -5
Beef
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Post by Amleth on Oct 20, 2017 11:13:01 GMT -5
Oh, and the way the new Tasks screen in 3.3 splits the categories into "Tasks" and "Bonus Tasks" and puts them on separate panes also manages to be a massive "FU" to players. It files the begging for Facebook promotion with Influence Points as a "Bonus Task", and anything else under "Tasks". Now, which category would you logically present to players first? The tasks they actually do daily or the one single one-off thing they either have so far refused to do, or can't do due to no Facebook membership, but that if they did would benefit Pixonic? Do you even need to guess which Pionic chose?
Go to the Events page now and it always defaults to the "Bonus Tasks" pane first, forcing you to make an extra click every time you want to check your daily tasks, just in the hope that it eventually irritates you into doing a bit of free social media promotion for them. Disgusting. Players have been asking for a way to hide the Influence tasks for a while now, and Pixo responds by making them MORE obnoxious! Just... No words...
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Oct 20, 2017 12:08:47 GMT -5
Let's see... the TDM is unworkable, see here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/threads/recent/15760About clan rankings, a suggested change that would help with tankers: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/15788/yeah-clan-rankings?page=1&scrollTo=196329The joining of BR and Dom mode, to cite from another post of mine " has resulted in the hordes of dashes, soon to be MK2ed dashes, that used to slug it out quickly in BR, to be unleashed on the every day players which had found some (relative) refuge in Domination mode." (the rest, here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/15784/creating-random-greatly-increased-quitters?page=1#ixzz4w4Kl0436)about the MK2 folly: "In the meanwhile, in order to solve the problem champions were having in finding opponents of the same level (gee, wonder why between tankers being 5 tiers lower than they should be and Ag payouts reductions, meaning new players take forever to upgrade their stuff), Pix had the brilliant ideas of unifying the broze-diamond and, worse, the experts-champions pools (with some spillage at the margins to boost), while not addressing the tanker issue in any meaningful way. That basically means that now everyone without a maxed hangar becomes a potential seal (to tankers - soon to be MK2ed- in low tiers and to champions -soon to be MK2ed- in higher tiers) with no way to escape it (back in the maggep era, you just had to move out of the 4/7 range and it didn't take so long) except actually maxing your own hangar in the geological times required. But not happy with that, now they introduced Mk2, meaning that people who were already maxed and sitting on mountains of unused gold and silver now are 20% stronger (there's already abundant hangar pictures on the facebook groups of double maxed or nearly double maxed hangars, after just TWO DAYS) while the seals are actually even more relatively clubbable, because they actually have no silver reserves (or they would be maxed too), so even larger divide between the top and the rest. " (The rest is here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/15759/got-situation-history-considerations?page=1#ixzz4w4LQwKBa)i agree that having to always see the "bonus" task first is almost aninsult.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Oct 20, 2017 17:58:12 GMT -5
Tell them to unkindly go 「fluffernutter」 themselves in whatever manner seems most horrific to them.
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