Latest Pix announcement - Hit Points Per level change

so basically the higher lvl you upgrade the more damage the more trophies.


this is a good thing. It will encourage more players to move upwards for higher trophy count

No idea what this does to Gep, but down in low silver, Leo, Griff and Boa get a nice boost, assuming the 6% incremental change is from level 12 HP down. Leo get more of a buff if they boost max HP as well.

You'd think this would have made sense when they first programmed the game...

We have the same interpretation.  The high end game won't get affected that much, but the lower leveled bots are going to get some very noticeable changes.  

I'd be really worried how this would favor low bot levels and high weapon levels but and thinking the new MM changes will make it a non issue.

There are some bots like the Griffin who are getting big low level buffs and others like the Fury and the Gepard that are actually getting slight nerfs throughout most of their levels.  Haven't taken the time to figure it all out yet, but I'm sure someone will be nice enough to spreadsheet out the results for us.

Awesome.  Since you are putting in the work, they did say the increase is closer to 6.4%, not a flat 6% FYI.

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I did the same math KingKull and got consistent numbers (23% decrease for lvl 1 gep)....what I find interesting is that based on our calculations (if correct), we are seeing some significant HP changes at lower levels. PIXO's words to describe were "Changes are insignificant but will affect majority of robots."

15-20% variation insignificant? Man, that must be why they price their bots and weps in crazy ways. 'Let's just charge the players an insignificant amount for a rhino....how about $60 US?" The Russian translation of "insignificant" must be jacked up on their side.

Cheers!

Carnage will get a big boost too, along with the 500k AG mediums.
Griffin, Leo and Natasha get a boost, too. But since they start at level 6 the difference will be not as big. Fury, Rogatka and Gepard are the only robots that are nerfed slightly. All remaining robots are slightly boosted. This reduces the value of the Gepard in bronze a bit.

The interesting thing here is that we get a mismatch between weapon power and robot HP. Right now, the average HP growth of a robot was 10% per level, and weapons would increase 10%. That is, it would take the same number of hits with a give weapon to destroy a L1 robot with a L1 weapon as the same L12 robot with the same L12 weapon. With the change, it will take more hits at lower levels to kill a robot, because weapon power increases by a factor of 2.85 from level 1 to level 12, while robot HPs increase by 1.98.

The Rog is getting an overall HP boost from the Jan 2nd PIXO announcement....is that in your calcs for the Rog?

agree that this move is a Gep nerf in the current bronze and silver tiers - glad they didn't nerf the speed as there are enough slow bots.  Now health is a bit more proportional to other bots but hitting power and maneuverability stay the same.

This might not mean a thing if the new MM makes the Gepard use the same level weapons as all others bots.

The time if the Tri-Mag Gepard as the OP bot in lower tiers is probably ending with or without the HP changes.

Just quickly do some calculation, green means buff, red means nerf, black means unchanged.

Light bots:


Mid bots:


Heavy bots:



Some observations:

1. Wild west bots' hp are fitted almost perfectly in this new hp model, apparently Pixonic has been planning for this tweak for some time.

2. Gepard gets nerfed hard in this patch, the speed will be its only advantage in lower levels. It can no longer head-to-head fight with medium robots in close range, even with superior weapons. MagGep should die down soon, but Geps armed with pinatas and aphids are still viable.

3. Fury and Stalker also get some minor nerf, as well as Rhino and Rogatka in lower levels.

4. Almost all the other bots are buffed for some extent.

5. Bao's hp will surpass 100k at merely lv.3, make it the most beefy bot in bronze. If clubbing is still doable, we will see a lot of clubbers switch to Baos in the next patch.

6. Leo is the biggest winner in this patch, has 156k hp when perchased, almost the same hp as most of the heavies at lv.12.

7. Remember this is just a speculation, the real number will not be exactly the same when patch rolls out.

joshfishyu,

Thanks for the chart!

I am wondering will equal progression of bot hp, what about the shield bots shield?  Does the shield hp change as well?
I run a Galahad in my main hanger, and sub a Rhino with other bots.

Thanks

Looking to your chart, it appears there is an error on the LEO. Somehow you gave it a buff at level 12 but is in black text suggesting that value should be the same. Maybe the calculated lower values for version 2.5 need to be recalculated assuming a level 12 Leo was 206K instead of 226K.

Vityaz also has a similar issue.

Thanks for the work, BTW!

Yeh... I knew about the error, just too lazy to change the color because I already convert it to the pics

That health for the Leo looks smoking hot. 150k health at level 6...looks like leo is gonna become the tank of this game. Glad I have 2 lol

I am seeing the opposite.  I only run into midrange campers and aphid runners, and people are buying right into this poor play style.  Tridents and aphids are overwhelming every map I play in, and we do seriously need Pix to do something about this because some people have built close combat hangars that are difficult to convert to midrange tactics, like me.  Then throw in the garbage mm mechanic, and I see in every match players from low bronze to gold tiers on the same team.  This is seriously whacked.

I like the HP buffs for the bots, but what good does it really do now?  There is no tier system, unless you are running all destriers, and I even see those in many of my games, so there is little support if you play solo, and you can't take on said campers without some support.  I feel bad for the newbs who graduate from the beginner levels straight to gold.  I don't see how this is a sound business decision from Pix.  


I am in the process of requesting my money be refunded on my son's iPad because he made that graduation, and the game is now unplayable.  I am utterly disappointed with what this game has become, so much has been broken in 4 short weeks.