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Post by linearblade on Sept 14, 2017 5:52:47 GMT -5
so after player an entire leagues worth of diamond and part of expert, I noticed my bulgasari was junk. it had 3 scourges and I was employing the 'shield trick'
I got pretty good at it, however even 1 mess up resulted in you having t reacquire a lock and then start firing again, ofte times with half a clip.
I realized it was hurting my team player. likewise ignoring my shield, and despite the great mountain of hitpoints, it still died.
so I switched up my 3 scourge level 9 for 2x10 taran and 1x8 taran. now the bulga is a terror on the field. it rips through mountains of enemies. further, I now employ the shield angling on reload, which is far more effective.
The difference ofcourse is that the scourge takes too much time sustaining fire to be effective on unshielded bots.
taking 2x9 scourge and swapping out on the ancilot (who formely had the taran) I noticed a substancial difference. people were no longer able to a)edge me, and b) much less willing to run away, which gave me c)the ability to force combat , often at melee range (exactly where you want to be with this weapon)
The extra shields really help it out, and ofcourse since its a sustained fire weapon, both synergize quite well.
Therefore I would say the best use of the scourge (and I'm not saying its the best use of the ancilot mind you) is the lancelot.
more testing will be needed to determine if the scourge is actually worth while on the lancelot or not, however the scourge is most definately suited to mechs with active frontal shields.
my ancilots can now overpower (slowly) galahads, which before they could not achieve with tarans.
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Post by remastered on Nov 17, 2017 16:30:37 GMT -5
Wow... so people actually whip out 100-200$ for a robot? Didn't actually think people had that much money to waste...
{carefully takes parents credit card}
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 17, 2017 16:36:32 GMT -5
I have had pretty good success pairing a single scourge (the only one I have bothered to upgrade) with punishers and punT's on a gryph. Ranges are comparable and firing sequences have a nice overlap and the scourge helps to orient the puns.
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Post by Nitro on Nov 17, 2017 16:40:06 GMT -5
I obtained one through components, then got two more from the Halloween event and stuck them all on my Fujin (levels 10, 7, and 6) I love watching people desperately trying to shoot plasma at me just outside of 350m XD
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Post by _psychø on Nov 17, 2017 16:47:44 GMT -5
I obtained one through components, then got two more from the Halloween event and stuck them all on my Fujin (levels 10, 7, and 6) I love watching people desperately trying to shoot plasma at me just outside of 350m XD The same thing happens when I fire a storm of bullets from my Griffin.  |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 17:54:21 GMT -5
Wow... so people actually whip out 100-200$ for a robot? Didn't actually think people had that much money to waste... {carefully takes parents credit card} I have no idea how this helps the OP whatsoever and reeks of jealousy. |
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Post by grendelsbot on Nov 17, 2017 18:01:57 GMT -5
I obtained one through components, then got two more from the Halloween event and stuck them all on my Fujin (levels 10, 7, and 6) I love watching people desperately trying to shoot plasma at me just outside of 350m XD Same here. Got one through components and the two in event. Don't have a Haechi so put them on my Fujin instead of Tarans. While they are still low leveled (5,5,6) I like the fact they have a 600 range (though not as much damage). I'm gonna continue leveling them and keep testing to see if they are effective. |
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Post by chaz on Nov 18, 2017 10:27:28 GMT -5
I'm trying the zeus + scourgex2 lancelot now. All of them are only level 7 (on a level 9 lance), but i'm encouraged by what it's been able to do so far. It's not really a brawler, but it does pretty well in certain situations. Basically, it can withstand long range attacks for a time and whittle down the knife-fighters as they advance. The closer the get, the more trouble they're in. The zeus makes up a little for the scourges' low damage at 400-600m and the scourges pick up the damage output inside of that. It's comparable to a zeus carny at mid-range, but is better in some areas, especially close. Works really well against DBs and kumihos/haechis unless they get close, but that's the case with any bot setup. RDBs and Tridents wreck you, but those aren't quite as prevalent as they once were.
Actually took out a tarancilot one on one at one point. Broke through the shield as he came at me and then finished him off with the scourges when I was in range of his tarans. Should've checked how leveled he was, but I was happy with the result regardless! :-)
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 18, 2017 10:53:58 GMT -5
Funny enough, I've had more success mounting the scourges on my rog than on my
orkan doc. Rog can hop around partially in and out of cover while maintaining the beam. It can close in when you need to ramp up the damage and its speed and ability allow you to easily get to the enemy's flank or directly behind him. It is a rocket magnet though.
I had a nice encounter with a zarnage in the factory site earlier (gold league). I couldnt tell what level since the reds had quite a few that game. But I was able to get him down to a sliver of hp while closing in before being blasted by an RDB griff.
Given that I was getting ahead on damage whilst closing distance may mean that at some point, the twin scourge bisects the zarnages damage output.
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Post by fatdogmagic on Nov 18, 2017 14:16:15 GMT -5
Wow... so people actually whip out 100-200$ for a robot? Didn't actually think people had that much money to waste... {carefully takes parents credit card} What? Did you post in the wrong thread? |
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 18, 2017 16:23:31 GMT -5
I heard the best way to use the Scourge is actually a secret. Instead of loading it with energy/Plasma, you directly load your weapon with American dollars. The more load per second, the more damage per second.
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Post by arakos on Nov 18, 2017 16:42:39 GMT -5
I too hace replaced my tarans with scourges in my ancilot. I'll wait for the +5% buff and then I'll make up my mind
BTW... what do you think is best on a Haechi: tarans or scourges?
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 18, 2017 17:21:41 GMT -5
I have 3 at level 12. Tried them on all my dash bots, just don't do enough damage to take up space on a bot in my hanger. I run a zeus fury as my mid range. The rest are brawlers.
Maybe the buff will help?
I encounter them a lot but I never have an issue taking them out and being relatively unscathed.
The one load out that does give me issues if I'm running plasma is a galahad with a scourge.
Occasionally I'll come across a player who has exceptional range control and they will whittle me down if I'm out in the open.
Maybe it's me and my love of orkans that prevents me from embracing them.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 18, 2017 17:25:29 GMT -5
I have 3 at level 12. Tried them on all my dash bots, just don't do enough damage to take up space on a bot in my hanger. I run a zeus fury as my mid range. The rest are brawlers. Maybe the buff will help? I encounter them a lot but I never have an issue taking them out and being relatively unscathed. The one load out that does give me issues if I'm running plasma is a galahad with a scourge. Occasionally I'll come across a player who has exceptional range control and they will whittle me down if I'm out in the open. Maybe it's me and my love of orkans that prevents me from embracing them. 100% agreed. I got 2 maxed ones I take out every once in blue moon just to remind myself of how weak they are and I put em away in favor of Orks or Tarans. |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 19, 2017 10:44:23 GMT -5
I have 3 at level 12. Tried them on all my dash bots, just don't do enough damage to take up space on a bot in my hanger. I run a zeus fury as my mid range. The rest are brawlers. Maybe the buff will help? I encounter them a lot but I never have an issue taking them out and being relatively unscathed. The one load out that does give me issues if I'm running plasma is a galahad with a scourge. Occasionally I'll come across a player who has exceptional range control and they will whittle me down if I'm out in the open. Maybe it's me and my love of orkans that prevents me from embracing them. 100% agreed. I got 2 maxed ones I take out every once in blue moon just to remind myself of how weak they are and I put em away in favor of Orks or Tarans. They hit about as hard as PunT at every range. If you are trying to use scourge the same way that you are using orkans or tarans you are doing it wrong. Same thing with shocktrain. |
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Post by valoricus on Nov 19, 2017 12:28:51 GMT -5
I have 3 on my Bulgasari, all level 10 and I find them extremely mediocre in the damage department. What’s worse is the awful state of the targeting system. I’ve died more times to losing or switching targets for reason than I have to actual legitimate kills.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 19, 2017 12:55:10 GMT -5
I have 3 on my Bulgasari, all level 10 and I find them extremely mediocre in the damage department. What’s worse is the awful state of the targeting system. I’ve died more times to losing or switching targets for reason than I have to actual legitimate kills. Bulgesari is terrible use of scourge bc you have to break lock to use your shield. Better to put them on a rog or griff. |
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Post by valoricus on Nov 19, 2017 15:29:44 GMT -5
I disagree. The ability to turn the shield and retain target is very powerful if not always reliable
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Post by darkknight on Nov 19, 2017 15:39:22 GMT -5
I have 3 on my Bulgasari, all level 10 and I find them extremely mediocre in the damage department. What’s worse is the awful state of the targeting system. I’ve died more times to losing or switching targets for reason than I have to actual legitimate kills. GO to menu and tick on lock on or something like that ...I always lock with scrouges and zues on a target coz autolock isn’t much good even if zues..however the weap lock is pretty good..for e.g. if a stalky is in stealth mode you could lock to another target wait for its stealth to get over ,change lock and fire..it works pretty nicely rather than waiting for 3 sec for autolock..same goes for scrouges |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 19, 2017 15:44:13 GMT -5
I disagree. The ability to turn the shield and retain target is very powerful if not always reliable We are talking about using it with Scourge. When it works it is fine but it usually causes ppl to break lock which requires 2-3 sec to reacquire which can be fatal, esp with a weapon like scourge that is sustained damage rather than burst. Better to use burst weapons like orkan or shocktrain or even tarans on Bulg b/c having lock broken is either not going to happen or you are doing a dash and burst anyway. |
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Post by maverick on Nov 19, 2017 16:32:23 GMT -5
Wow... so people actually whip out 100-200$ for a bunch of pixels? Didn't actually think people had that much money to waste... {carefully takes parents credit card} Fixed it for you  |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 19, 2017 16:40:17 GMT -5
Has anyone tried them on a mk2 golem?
I've been using it on and off with a zeus, gekko and, for lack of better alternative, a molot mk2, as a more mobile mid ranger (plus I love the golem), but I'm close to get a scourge via components and was wondering if it makes sense to level it (if and when).
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 19, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -5
Bulgesari is terrible use of scourge bc you have to break lock to use your shield. Better to put them on a rog or griff. Um, actually that's the whole point of the Scourgasari. You can use the shield against plasma weapons and maintain target lock, it just takes practice. |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 19, 2017 18:12:44 GMT -5
Bulgesari is terrible use of scourge bc you have to break lock to use your shield. Better to put them on a rog or griff. Um, actually that's the whole point of the Scourgasari. You can use the shield against plasma weapons and maintain target lock, it just takes practice. I am not saying one can't do it, or that you can't get better at it by practising. I am saying that it is a less efficient use of both the weapon and the bot than other weapons where it is less of an issue or where the weapon takes better advantage of the bots dash and design. If you love it on your Bulg, great. For me, it's a waste of a both a good bot and an otherwise good weapon. Most effective uses I have found/seen for scourge are as a midrange replacement for punishers or on beacon cappers like on a deathose griff or on the brit bots to give them some ability to punch from outside the range of orkans. From what I have seen tends to be more effective against lighter bots like carnage or beacon cappers or outside the range of heavies like Lance. Can't say its great against dashes that have an easier time breaking weapons lock. Last thing I want to do in a dash is hang around for a long time whittling someone down with a Scourge, especially another dash that can break lock and force me to have to re-aim for 3 secs. |
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Post by killmall420 on Nov 20, 2017 0:23:06 GMT -5
Run mine on griff with spirals 600m just lock on do ok with them not great if you want a kill but sure were a lot of boots down. move on hit run were them down off to the next bot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 3:39:19 GMT -5
I have two of them from Halloween. How do I use them? They take too long to use. I want to turn Cossack into the ultimate melting robot. Should I bother upgrading them? They are at level 1.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 20, 2017 5:00:11 GMT -5
I have two of them from Halloween. How do I use them? They take too long to use. I want to turn Cossack into the ultimate melting robot. Should I bother upgrading them? They are at level 1. No, the Cossack is the ultimate melting robot, it melts just fine under both Orkans and Tarans. So I don't think you need to upgrade the Scourge to achieve that goal. |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 20, 2017 5:03:20 GMT -5
Um, actually that's the whole point of the Scourgasari. You can use the shield against plasma weapons and maintain target lock, it just takes practice. I am not saying one can't do it, or that you can't get better at it by practising. I am saying that it is a less efficient use of both the weapon and the bot than other weapons where it is less of an issue or where the weapon takes better advantage of the bots dash and design. If you love it on your Bulg, great. For me, it's a waste of a both a good bot and an otherwise good weapon. Most effective uses I have found/seen for scourge are as a midrange replacement for punishers or on beacon cappers like on a deathose griff or on the brit bots to give them some ability to punch from outside the range of orkans. Explain why you'd rather use a Scourge on a Griffin than on a Bulgasari. You can't fire while jumping (well you can, but in those 3 seconds you won't achieve anything), so the Griffin is a big fat slow target with 2 Scourge slots compared to the Bulgasari a fast shielded target with 3 Scourge slots. |
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Post by androidrobo on Nov 20, 2017 6:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by androidrobo on Nov 20, 2017 6:35:48 GMT -5
Condition Scourge brings a mix of Aoe condition damage, boon corruption and team support but is vulnerable to focus due to a lack of personal defenses.
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