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Post by Demosthenes on Sept 5, 2017 9:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by amidf on Sept 5, 2017 10:35:19 GMT -5
Being down a man presumably didn't help you.
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Post by Demosthenes on Sept 5, 2017 10:48:50 GMT -5
Being down a man presumably didn't help you. They spawned 6 dashes. I didn't blame him. Interesting that it was the two blue E2 players who did the best. |
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Post by SATmaster728 on Sept 5, 2017 11:56:09 GMT -5
Being down a man presumably didn't help you. They spawned 6 dashes. I didn't blame him. Interesting that it was the two blue E2 players who did the best. Not sure what pay to win has to do with the dashes, you could spend all your money ad not get it, or spend no real money and get all three. |
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Post by mechtout on Sept 5, 2017 12:11:43 GMT -5
Take a lickin and keep on tickin
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Post by amidf on Sept 5, 2017 12:24:17 GMT -5
They spawned 6 dashes. I didn't blame him. Interesting that it was the two blue E2 players who did the best. Not sure what pay to win has to do with the dashes, you could spend all your money ad not get it, or spend no real money and get all three. If you spend enough, your odds go > 99%. It is pay-to-dash for sure. There are just a few lucky cheapskates, and lots of "lucky" high rollers. |
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Post by beaconator2000 on Sept 5, 2017 14:05:33 GMT -5
I run into these full squads of reds every so often, and I can't help but think that I'm happy these players exist pumping in hundreds of dollars so that I can enjoy this game for free.
So at the end of the day, I guess I'm happy to play for free, and they are happy to beat the snot out of me. So it's a win win.
As long as it stays to 1 out of 10 matches or less then no big deal. If I start running into consistent barrage of maxed dash bots, I'll probably have to hang up the towel.
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Post by Demosthenes on Sept 5, 2017 15:48:47 GMT -5
Take a lickin and keep on tickin ? That means something quite different to what I assume you mean, here in England. |
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Post by _psychø on Sept 5, 2017 17:16:06 GMT -5
It is, and I've seen a lot of them, anyway, just kill them with plasma and rockets!
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Post by T34 on Sept 5, 2017 19:02:26 GMT -5
Slow release yeah, yeah....... pigs fly too. its about revenue generation by releasing an OP set of bots ..... and everyone knows it. Blatant over inflation of pricing by using a gambling mechanism.
But you know where this is going to lead really soon....... to the old LQ behaviour...... when people see really unbalanced matches all it will take is one to eject early on in the side that's facing the odds. Once the others on the not so well off side see the ejection than they will say..... damn 5 vs 6 (with dashes) now we have bugger all chances to win. and then they will all eject one after the other.
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Post by moses on Sept 5, 2017 19:27:57 GMT -5
Being down a man presumably didn't help you. They spawned 6 dashes. I didn't blame him. Interesting that it was the two blue E2 players who did the best. It's definitely an unlucky match up 6x random vs full squad of champs, but 5 of you seem to have done pretty well considering and if the 6th guy stuck around it would have been much closer. |
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Post by MCYL on Sept 6, 2017 10:02:15 GMT -5
Slow release yeah, yeah....... pigs fly too. its about revenue generation by releasing an OP set of bots ..... and everyone knows it. Blatant over inflation of pricing by using a gambling mechanism. But you know where this is going to lead really soon....... to the old LQ behaviour...... when people see really unbalanced matches all it will take is one to eject early on in the side that's facing the odds. Once the others on the not so well off side see the ejection than they will say..... damn 5 vs 6 (with dashes) now we have bugger all chances to win. and then they will all eject one after the other. Well that could in theory work if enough of a player base is connected. See a single dash, bail. No use having a nice hangar and win every game if you can't play a game. You'd probably need Bernie Sanders to be able to coordinate a boycott like that...and I do have fun fighting against them. They might win but I smack them hard enough for them to see they were outplayed. |
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Post by T34 on Sept 6, 2017 17:26:36 GMT -5
Slow release yeah, yeah....... pigs fly too. its about revenue generation by releasing an OP set of bots ..... and everyone knows it. Blatant over inflation of pricing by using a gambling mechanism. But you know where this is going to lead really soon....... to the old LQ behaviour...... when people see really unbalanced matches all it will take is one to eject early on in the side that's facing the odds. Once the others on the not so well off side see the ejection than they will say..... damn 5 vs 6 (with dashes) now we have bugger all chances to win. and then they will all eject one after the other. Well that could in theory work if enough of a player base is connected. See a single dash, bail. No use having a nice hangar and win every game if you can't play a game. You'd probably need Bernie Sanders to be able to coordinate a boycott like that...and I do have fun fighting against them. They might win but I smack them hard enough for them to see they were outplayed. problem is that it doesn't take much for a small population to start a trend and defect. there are those that do not want to fight an unbalanced battle. this minority starts a behavioural trend and the a considerable proportion will follow soon after. the 2 or 3 left will learn fast and do the same as its not much fun fighting a 6 red team with a few blues. this is a documented human behaviour and also applied in economics. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 17:37:01 GMT -5
If that's the OPs first time facing a full maxed champ squad (hence first rant) and he is in E2, i would say that's pretty decent? Matches like this can suck, but they can also make you better.
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Post by imnobody on Sept 8, 2017 20:58:17 GMT -5
I got my 5th slot and I been winning with ease I guess the MM system deliberately put me in easy match to justify my purchase.
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Post by Demosthenes on Sept 9, 2017 1:19:26 GMT -5
Glad to see pix's strategy of a slow minor release of dash 'bots to not upset the meta is working so well:  yes, they won and this player had 10Au. He will soon be able to afford that 15th max Orkan. |
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Post by cheap on Sept 9, 2017 2:35:30 GMT -5
yeesh.. they was packin. condolences.
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Post by Firebeard on Sept 9, 2017 10:15:00 GMT -5
It's not Pay-to-Win. It's Pay-for-an-early-advantage. If it was Pay-to-Win, there would be mecha/weapons unavailable for F2P Players.
Pixonic is actually pretty good with this.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 9, 2017 11:42:28 GMT -5
It's not Pay-to-Win. It's Pay-for-an-early-advantage. If it was Pay-to-Win, there would be mecha/weapons unavailable for F2P Players. Pixonic is actually pretty good with this. Yea, I don't see it as p2w. 5000 AU gets you a tank that still gets blown up on its own. I'd hardly call any of the wild bots broken. Dash bots... I only think the kumi is broken and it's not for its combat ability. Only fornite insane sonic the hedge hog speed in a game of walking grandmas. They ARE better than comparable SILVER bots. They don't replace the ancilot. And bulgasari barely edged out the Galahad in some combats. Heads up it obviously loses to bulgi. But say vs plasma, Galahad wins. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 9, 2017 14:21:50 GMT -5
Indeed the Arab clan is tough, but not impossible to beat. Even without dash bots its possible. MY guys ran up on them on Valley yesterday. Just good old fashion team work and beacon control. They tend to play a bit aggressively which lead to us meching them out. Give it time. You will get there.  |
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Post by CharismaticReaper99 on Sept 9, 2017 15:23:57 GMT -5
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 9, 2017 16:00:39 GMT -5
I dont feel the OP was "crying" just expressing exasperation over a unbalanced game. Pix said they were releasing them slowly but it seems there already everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 16:47:18 GMT -5
If it were truly slow release and the idea (as stated by Pix) was to not effect the meta and to obtain data the release would have been limited by numbers across the user base. The Arab clan is not indicative of that approach surely.
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Post by warrobotmaddog on Sept 10, 2017 19:38:32 GMT -5
There will always be new bits new weapons and new meta!!! All I can say is mortgage your house so you to can be a champion.... Play well my friends play well.
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Post by BigDud on Sept 10, 2017 21:21:39 GMT -5
Nope nope nope. If you spend 3000 to 5000 on this game, you certainly deserve to win. If some wealthly Yemen wants to blow his oil load and grief a bunch of westeners, more power to Prince Ouiji. This sort of capitalism lines the pockets of the developers and keeps this game going. I am sorry about the butthurt. Actually, no I'm not. Personally, the biggest improvement to this game would be allowing players to chat on the battle field.
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Post by T34 on Sept 10, 2017 21:35:55 GMT -5
Nope nope nope. If you spend 3000 to 5000 on this game, you certainly deserve to win. If some wealthly Yemen wants to blow his oil load and grief a bunch of westeners, more power to Prince Ouiji. This sort of capitalism lines the pockets of the developers and keeps this game going. I am sorry about the butthurt. Actually, no I'm not. Personally, the biggest improvement to this game would be allowing players to chat on the battle field. Not sure about your take on things as this game relies on a large number of participants. the large proportion do not pay or pay a very small amount. if you drive the masses away there is no game. there needs to be a very fine balance or the game dies due to lack of participants.
I think one of the most important figure that many would like to know is the participation numbers. Considerable number (not me) have said the numbers are way down as evidenced by the broadening of the match making bands and running into the same guy more frequently in game.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Sept 11, 2017 5:35:14 GMT -5
So I encountered "Grace Azrael" who already got not less than 3*Haechi,1*Bulgasari and 1*Lance in his hangar. Of course our team lost and of course, it's pay to win. At least to some extend. "Grace Azrael" used 3*Scourge which is also hard to get and just 9*Orkans. Ah well  |
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Post by SATmaster728 on Sept 11, 2017 7:20:05 GMT -5
Indeed the Arab clan is tough, but not impossible to beat. Even without dash bots its possible. MY guys ran up on them on Valley yesterday. Just good old fashion team work and beacon control. They tend to play a bit aggressively which lead to us meching them out. Give it time. You will get there. you mean korean, right? they are different places... |
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Post by BigDud on Sept 11, 2017 21:27:26 GMT -5
Nope nope nope. If you spend 3000 to 5000 on this game, you certainly deserve to win. If some wealthly Yemen wants to blow his oil load and grief a bunch of westeners, more power to Prince Ouiji. This sort of capitalism lines the pockets of the developers and keeps this game going. I am sorry about the butthurt. Actually, no I'm not. Personally, the biggest improvement to this game would be allowing players to chat on the battle field. Not sure about your take on things as this game relies on a large number of participants. the large proportion do not pay or pay a very small amount. if you drive the masses away there is no game. there needs to be a very fine balance or the game dies due to lack of participants.
I think one of the most important figure that many would like to know is the participation numbers. Considerable number (not me) have said the numbers are way down as evidenced by the broadening of the match making bands and running into the same guy more frequently in game.
This game like all other games relies on paying participants and you know this. It relies solely on the revenues that one average player spends during an average life cycle. You know this too. You talk about the the mass non paying or little paying players as if thats what their business model relies on and again, you know thats not true. They pay developers, they pay overhead, they pay network, and above all, they pay their investors who demand a return. Guys like Prince Nazim who spend their blood diamond money actually subsidize the non paying player. You have got to be kidding me. The non paying player funds their rent? Stop it. The future of this game is to appease the small revenue player? NO MORE FAKE NEWS. Let me tell you what you already know, and dont deny it. All fremium games rely on squeezing an average revenue out of each player. It doesnt rely the Prince, and it doesnt rely on the non paying base. They just need to make sure that the average player stays on this game for a certain amount of time and that they spend a minimum average amount. Spend 5K on this game? I say go for it. I think Pix is doing what they can to avoid alienating their mid level loyalty base. How do I know this? Because a 12 . 12 hanger of Korean Kimchi doesnt guarantee you a win. When the day comes when one player can solo a clan through sheer spend, thats when this or any game truly dies. GO CHECK OUT MOBILE STRIKE. |
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Post by T34 on Sept 12, 2017 0:40:41 GMT -5
Not sure about your take on things as this game relies on a large number of participants. the large proportion do not pay or pay a very small amount. if you drive the masses away there is no game. there needs to be a very fine balance or the game dies due to lack of participants.
I think one of the most important figure that many would like to know is the participation numbers. Considerable number (not me) have said the numbers are way down as evidenced by the broadening of the match making bands and running into the same guy more frequently in game.
This game like all other games relies on paying participants and you know this. It relies solely on the revenues that one average player spends during an average life cycle. You know this too. You talk about the the mass non paying or little paying players as if thats what their business model relies on and again, you know thats not true. They pay developers, they pay overhead, they pay network, and above all, they pay their investors who demand a return. Guys like Prince Nazim who spend their blood diamond money actually subsidize the non paying player. You have got to be kidding me. The non paying player funds their rent? Stop it. The future of this game is to appease the small revenue player? NO MORE FAKE NEWS. Let me tell you what you already know, and dont deny it. All fremium games rely on squeezing an average revenue out of each player. It doesnt rely the Prince, and it doesnt rely on the non paying base. They just need to make sure that the average player stays on this game for a certain amount of time and that they spend a minimum average amount. Spend 5K on this game? I say go for it. I think Pix is doing what they can to avoid alienating their mid level loyalty base. How do I know this? Because a 12 . 12 hanger of Korean Kimchi doesnt guarantee you a win. When the day comes when one player can solo a clan through sheer spend, thats when this or any game truly dies. GO CHECK OUT MOBILE STRIKE. If this game becomes blatant P2W as per your description than its finished. It will be finished because players will increasingly abuse the system and that abuse will drive away new and upcoming players. And the news of it being P2W wont help either.
Industry data suggest a well-balanced game along with a large as possible player base it the recipe for success. Less than 1% of the player base accounts for 50% of the revenue. On average half the players spend at all and 60% of that spending happens soon after the download. That means a game on average has a 20% population that spends smaller regular amounts.
I think our misunderstanding centres around the concept that this is not about the average player spending an average amount or squeezing an average amount out of each player. Its all about squeezing way way way more out of that less than 1% (keys) and squeezing more out of that 20% and attempting to drive the 20% figure up (eg chests and special offers).
So my argument is that the game does rely on prince (50% revenue), does rely on squeezing the 20% but does not rely on the average player to squeeze money out of and lastly it does rely on the player base because that’s where the squeezable percentages come from. Sort of subtle but extremely significant differences :-)?
PS: Kimchi Hitachi is OP. way too OP in its current form.
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