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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 8, 2016 2:24:48 GMT -5
What would you do, if chanced to catch a PDB Rhino by the tail in cramped quarters? You are driving a Thunder Taran Magnum Golem, you have full health and a full clip. You are also less than 100m away, with plenty of buildings for cover while circling. The Rhino is being a Rhino in close quarters...sitting there uselessly and waiting to die. Most players driving the Golem would shout "whoopie!" and go to town, driving up against the Rhino and hammering the sides. Which would force the Rhino to drop his shield to fight, or else die. Either way, Rhino isn't going to win that fight unless he's really lucky. And then I saw this guy, and my life was complete. This guy inexplicably decided to SHOOT THE RHINO'S FREAKING SHIELD. While hiding behind a building which was blocking half of his broadside. He broke the shield, all right. Just as a Leo from red spawn finally lumbered into firing range and unloaded on him.
Kids, please don't try this at home. Your teammates will hate you. Because the Rhino should have been dead, and so should that Kang Leo.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 8, 2016 23:20:59 GMT -5
The rhino was low health too judging from the missing weap. You probably would've lost anyways though.
Anyways, this is why I don't get people complaining about the rhino. Sure, the shield is tough, so why are you shooting at the shield? Better yet, use splash in your inventory instead of trebs.
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Post by Kinetic1 on Oct 9, 2016 1:46:42 GMT -5
Hehe, love charging Zeus/Treb wep'd bots in a Rnino and watch them panic. Almost all of them squirm and then fire at the shield fruitlessly because what else can they do?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 2:55:58 GMT -5
I'm guessing this was a "I'm the last Blue and it's the last minute" panic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 2:59:39 GMT -5
I recently had a Monty Python Black Knight moment with a Rhino, in much the same place.... I had enough time to think "why's he got his shield up?" and take a screenshot...
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 9, 2016 3:15:44 GMT -5
Lol...that's awesome. Clearly he was so terrified by you that he wanted to surrender, even after your weapons were blown off.
I can understand the "last blue bot" thought train, but...this was a lost game. Less than a minute left, down one beacon, running solo against five reds. When that's me, I attempt to deal as much damage as possible so as to at least reap a better Ag payout. Shooting shields doesn't count toward your score. Was a waste of time and effort.
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Post by Monst3rinyouri on Oct 9, 2016 5:48:56 GMT -5
Hehe, love charging Zeus/Treb wep'd bots in a Rnino and watch them panic. Almost all of them squirm and then fire at the shield fruitlessly because what else can they do? There's still that big bonus for getting a Zeus on top of a rhino they hate that, fyi
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Post by LeonF on Oct 9, 2016 6:00:45 GMT -5
I do wonder why some players are so averse to moving sideways and forcing Rhinos to unshielded or die.
My philosophy is if you can't step around him then walk over him. Parking out 100m in front peppering his shield is fruitless.
As for Zues/Trebs vs Shield bots...Seems so often that unless it's a Carnage they just forget they have a reverse gear or the ability to sidestep forcing the opponent out in to the open. My Fury spends almost no time standing still whereas in the distance they are usually like statues - the proverbial Useful Support vs Useless Camper.
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Post by sublimethunder on Oct 9, 2016 6:22:18 GMT -5
The rhino was low health too judging from the missing weap. You probably would've lost anyways though. Anyways, this is why I don't get people complaining about the rhino. Sure, the shield is tough, so why are you shooting at the shield? Better yet, use splash in your inventory instead of trebs. If I know I'm on my out, I've been known to shoot at the shield. A. I'm not going to live long enough to get around to a better spot, I so do what I can on the way out. B. Be the distraction the rhino is focused on so someone else can hit him from a better angle.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 9, 2016 12:55:51 GMT -5
I do wonder why some players are so averse to moving sideways and forcing Rhinos to unshielded or die. My philosophy is if you can't step around him then walk over him. Parking out 100m in front peppering his shield is fruitless. As for Zues/Trebs vs Shield bots...Seems so often that unless it's a Carnage they just forget they have a reverse gear or the ability to sidestep forcing the opponent out in to the open. My Fury spends almost no time standing still whereas in the distance they are usually like statues - the proverbial Useful Support vs Useless Camper. Well, a full health pdb rhino will defeat a thunder plasma golem even in close range. I've done it many times. However, the rhino in the pic was low on health judging from the missing taran. It seems that the golem was a noob pilot who is inexperienced against rhinos.
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Post by Ѕπλκε✵Σψεs on Oct 9, 2016 13:09:50 GMT -5
Just take away his credit card ? To keep the rhino from charging...
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 0:38:08 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be funny if a Rhino would be stuck in 1st gear if its shield was blown off... I think I would go out of my way to leave the Rhino driver in such a state.
Anyway, the shield isn't really a big deal. Sure it might take some time but I probably could blast it off from the other side of Yamantau before we trekked that kilometer.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 2:11:13 GMT -5
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Oh wait, you're serious.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 2:12:03 GMT -5
For context, the guy is saying that he could destroy a rhino shield(260k hp), with a treb gecko nat.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 11, 2016 2:28:03 GMT -5
Well, my Gekko Destrier is ready and able to take on any Rhino or Lancelot you throw at me...?
Umm, the Rhino's shield can be broken by concentrated firepower, but while you're busy breaking that shield - because it WILL take as long as it takes the Rhino to cross the map - you're wasting shots that don't help your team and won't even count toward your damage score. There's no point. Only time I'll deliberately try to break a shield is shooting at a Gareth or Galahad at point-blank range with Thunder Carnage, or when teaming up to take down a Lancelot.
Now, when there are three or four plasma bots all shooting at one Rhino shield, it won't last long. And it'll prevent the Rhino from returning fire, because he'll melt instantly if that shield comes down. But honestly, how often does that happen? It doesn't.
Better than Natasha, why not try a Treb Carnage, outflank the Rhino, and whack him where it actually counts? Treb Carnage can be good...Treb Tasha almost approaches usefulness, but just barely misses out.
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Post by Heishiro on Oct 11, 2016 3:05:59 GMT -5
For context, the guy is saying that he could destroy a rhino shield(260k hp), with a treb gecko nat. it can, maybe 25 mins game play
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 9:54:42 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic and it's not something I'd actually do competitively. But here's the math
Gekko will fully recharge again every trebuchet blast
7 volleys of Gekko fire and 4 rounds of trebuchets at 23 each takes about a minute 10 seconds beginning with a full charge and will deal approximately 218k
So it would take a minute and a half to break it at 240k
Let's say Rhino has to travel 1km at 50km/h... it would take 1 minute 12 seconds to reach you
if we extend to max 1100M and you fire your Natasha with a full charge (when you spawn you have it)... you would most certainly pop off the shield before Rhino could reach you. The other math is if you backtracked the entire time and could killhim entirely, which may be possible if you can achieve line of sight and advantage of terrain, it will add about another 500M or 40 seconds. Use terrain and cover and a bit of luck, you could take down his 170k health.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 11:30:11 GMT -5
And there it is with the misleading stats once again. Did you forget about the giant center beacon in the middle of yamateau? With it around, I can effectively traverse half of that distance only getting hit once by you and receiving around half of a gecko clip.
You won't be able to hit me
Or what if I went off to the left side underneath the bridge where you can't hit me unless you're off at the far right side? It would take you half a minute just to adjust position to hit me. And even then, I'm still within half of 1km. If I'm using plasma, then it'll only take me several seconds before I'm able to hit you.
And don't give me that crap about backing up either. I'm twice as fast as you with shield up and about as fast as you with shield down. Not to mention the map limits. What are you gonna do? Walk off into the sunset in yamateau? If you do that, then you won't be able to pelt me for the "1 minute 12 seconds" if I take the under the bridge route. Remember, I don't need to be right up in your nose, only within 350m of you.
Pure stats don't matter when terrain and skill is involved.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 12:04:18 GMT -5
Traveling around an object only adds to your traverse time. I still believe it possible (albeit Fuzzy Bunnyed)
Wasn't the point of the Rhino to avoid snipers in the first place? Or was it to get close in and die to a strafing medium? What is it then?
When the time comes, that 350M plasma range can be blocked for another 350M until you eventually walk up to me. If by that point you did you lose your shield, then I guess I cut off your tendons and that was enough to satisfy my appetite.
Yeah it's ridiculous but it's really just a statement about how a sniper can actually destroy any bot in this 1 v 1 with impunity. At the end of the day, getting rid of the sniper will stop your runners from getting capped.
And not just Yamantau, but Springfield and canyon too. Rush me with 3 Rhinos, idgaf
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 12:17:00 GMT -5
So? You're still not able to walk off the map you know.
Actually, the plasma rhino can still take out any medium in close range combate except for a boa, carnage, and/or galahad. The galahad is screwed if it comes close in if the rhino is a db or hf and the other two are screwed if they're caught out in the open. The db rhino can eliminate a carnages shield first before shielding up and then unload the rest of its firepower intot he carnage when the carnage closes in. I've done it many times.
You still can't walk off the map, and I'm still two times faster than you.
Actually, when the rhino loses its shield, it can still use assault mode, it's just able to use its medium weapons in assault mode as well. So basically, you're letting me have twice the speed of you but still able to use my medium weapons. Check your facts mate.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 12:20:38 GMT -5
At the end of the day, if you have your shield turned to me, and you're charging to take me out, I'm going to nail your team and my team will hit your sides exposed. It may end one way or the other, but it is going to end with somebody facedown. And when you finally did get to me, ask your teammates how many died And it's not a sniper's map, I still have 4 other bots to use lol
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 12:23:30 GMT -5
Isn't this a one v one? And you can't forget that I'll have the support of my team as well, not to mention that I'm not going to be charging at the least threatening bot on the battlefield.
To who? Your actually useful teammates?
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 12:26:49 GMT -5
The flat number at 12 is something like 2750 DPS trebuchets and gekkos combined, with practice linking weapons. That's a terribly low number but I won't always have a shot and when I finally do, I will remove 50k in a few seconds.
So with a sniper at bay, beacon control becomes much more greatly emphasized and I have to keep clean shots on at least 3 beacons (which isn't really that hard to do with long reloads and decent cover)
The better question is, will my team be good enough? Half the time!
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 11, 2016 12:35:34 GMT -5
The original intent of this thread was complaining about a humorous incident I observed in-game. Not start an argument about whether or not the Rhino could walk across a map under a sniper's nose. Which, sorry that I helped contribute to.
Can we all move on please?
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 12:40:25 GMT -5
I would wonder if that golem would be better off with Thunder/Punishers post-buff and just simply annhilating that shield.
Next test server I'm going Rhino poaching
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 12:52:54 GMT -5
Rhino would still destroy the golem, it still doesn't have initial dps to take out a plasma, db, or hf rhino. Thunder orkan pinata golem on the other hand can take one out if it is close enough. Provided that it isn't a db or hf rhino.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 13:30:20 GMT -5
PDB Rhino would definitely be trouble, but a golem can walk backwards from DB.
Thunder Carnage is easily the best bot for killing a Rhino 1v1, but agreed on DB Thunder golem, it's just going to gimp it or murder the Rhino, but take a lot of damage or not so much damage whether it's a PDB or DB Rhino... Magnum Rhino could stand there and wait for the thunder to run out of ammo or shield breaks, whatever happens first, and finish it quickly with Tarans. Golem might be smart enough to walk Orkans provided he's not too close.
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Post by blognio on Oct 11, 2016 18:23:41 GMT -5
I'm just going to say, the golem couldn't have done anything else. Run away? Thunder shield damage goes down, and if you like full on run away with your back turned he lowers shield, dead. It was tight spaced, but it seemed like the reasonable thing is to either try to go to the side and see if he attempts to turn or full on ram him.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Oct 11, 2016 19:23:51 GMT -5
@ blognio,
The Rhino was already minus a Taran, thanks to sustaining heavy damage just before facing the Golem. He could have turned if the Golem circled, but at that range he wouldn't have been able to turn fast enough. The Golem was at 100% health with fully loaded guns. He would have taken a little damage, but by circling and closing distance he could have easily wiped out the Rhino in seconds. And then had plenty of health left to take on that Leo that ultimately finished him off.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 11, 2016 20:56:03 GMT -5
What I would've done is circle around that piece of cover the golem is hiding behind in the second picture and hit the rhino from the flank.
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