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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 7, 2017 11:43:29 GMT -5
*yawn* You know the difference between giving an option and actually endorsing such option, yes? Or when someone ask you for options, you just give the ones you feel you could endorse? What a boring, self-righteous way to go, in case. Evidently YOU don't know the difference. You stating an option on a PUBLIC forum is endorsement. Why the hell would you give an option to someone when you are opposed to it? It's totally counterintuitive. You don't say you don't advise something, then advise them on how to do it. You're trying to save face. It isn't working. I'm just informing you that none of us are fooled. So why pretend to care? If you don't like someone in real life, you could certainly murder them. I would never endorse murder, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an option. There are also consequences to that option, and anyone stupid enough to use that option will likely face the consequences. It is entirely possible to state a fact without endorsing said fact. Every word that comes out of my mouth is not something I support. That's a ridiculous way to think. |
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Post by cap on Jul 7, 2017 13:36:36 GMT -5
Not true, I have seen guys with 17,000 damage at the end of a game and got no tokens. I'm not sure if grabbing a beacon changes that. leavers sometimes got tokens, sometimes not. weird   anyways, hate this kind of loss so much  I wonder if it's time based? |
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jul 7, 2017 15:11:45 GMT -5
Evidently YOU don't know the difference. You stating an option on a PUBLIC forum is endorsement. Why the hell would you give an option to someone when you are opposed to it? It's totally counterintuitive. You don't say you don't advise something, then advise them on how to do it. You're trying to save face. It isn't working. I'm just informing you that none of us are fooled. So why pretend to care? If you don't like someone in real life, you could certainly murder them. I would never endorse murder, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an option. There are also consequences to that option, and anyone stupid enough to use that option will likely face the consequences. It is entirely possible to state a fact without endorsing said fact. Every word that comes out of my mouth is not something I support. That's a ridiculous way to think. It's a question of context. Perhaps an acquaintance comes to you desperate for guidance on what they can do about someone they don't like. You say you don't advise it, but the ONLY solution you offer is murder. Furthermore, you even describe the entire process of HOW to do it with details from start to finish, with no mention of the negative effects to all friends and family of the victim. If you were to turn around to the friends and family and say you are against murder, after their loved one has been murdered in the exact manner you stated, it would be you who would look absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line - words have consequences, whether you accept accountability for them or not. Be responsible about which 'options' you supply. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 7, 2017 15:56:28 GMT -5
If you don't like someone in real life, you could certainly murder them. I would never endorse murder, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an option. There are also consequences to that option, and anyone stupid enough to use that option will likely face the consequences. It is entirely possible to state a fact without endorsing said fact. Every word that comes out of my mouth is not something I support. That's a ridiculous way to think. It's a question of context. Perhaps an acquaintance comes to you desperate for guidance on what they can do about someone they don't like. You say you don't advise it, but the ONLY solution you offer is murder. Furthermore, you even describe the entire process of HOW to do it with details from start to finish, with no mention of the negative effects to all friends and family of the victim. If you were to turn around to the friends and family and say you are against murder, after their loved one has been murdered in the exact manner you stated, it would be you who would look absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line - words have consequences, whether you accept accountability for them or not. Be responsible about which 'options' you supply. Those are valid points, but I still believe assuming someone supports something simply because the word came out of their mouth is absurd. He seemed to be looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. Sure, we could all lie to him and say there is no way other than playing fair and square! He simply answered the person's question. So an example of that would be someone saying "is there a quicker way to murder someone than suffocating them?" and me saying "why yes, you can shoot them in the head, but that's a bad thing to do." It is not then my fault if they go shoot them in the head, nor does it mean I support them shooting someone in the head because I gave them an honest answer to their question. |
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Post by inspirace on Jul 7, 2017 16:09:17 GMT -5
leavers sometimes got tokens, sometimes not. weird anyways, hate this kind of loss so much I wonder if it's time based? this is another weird case... I think the guy who took two beacons stayed longer  |
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jul 7, 2017 17:35:51 GMT -5
It's a question of context. Perhaps an acquaintance comes to you desperate for guidance on what they can do about someone they don't like. You say you don't advise it, but the ONLY solution you offer is murder. Furthermore, you even describe the entire process of HOW to do it with details from start to finish, with no mention of the negative effects to all friends and family of the victim. If you were to turn around to the friends and family and say you are against murder, after their loved one has been murdered in the exact manner you stated, it would be you who would look absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line - words have consequences, whether you accept accountability for them or not. Be responsible about which 'options' you supply. Those are valid points, but I still believe assuming someone supports something simply because the word came out of their mouth is absurd. He seemed to be looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. Sure, we could all lie to him and say there is no way other than playing fair and square! He simply answered the person's question. So an example of that would be someone saying "is there a quicker way to murder someone than suffocating them?" and me saying "why yes, you can shoot them in the head, but that's a bad thing to do." It is not then my fault if they go shoot them in the head, nor does it mean I support them shooting someone in the head because I gave them an honest answer to their question. We need to stick to the context of THIS situation, which I illustrated in my previous comment using your own analogy. It is a direct parallel of this specific case. The difference here is that the OP demonstrated intent. You confirmed as much by saying he was looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. The response provided means. Providing means to someone with intent makes the responder complicit. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 7, 2017 17:48:21 GMT -5
Those are valid points, but I still believe assuming someone supports something simply because the word came out of their mouth is absurd. He seemed to be looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. Sure, we could all lie to him and say there is no way other than playing fair and square! He simply answered the person's question. So an example of that would be someone saying "is there a quicker way to murder someone than suffocating them?" and me saying "why yes, you can shoot them in the head, but that's a bad thing to do." It is not then my fault if they go shoot them in the head, nor does it mean I support them shooting someone in the head because I gave them an honest answer to their question. We need to stick to the context of THIS situation, which I illustrated in my previous comment using your own analogy. It is a direct parallel of this specific case. The difference here is that the OP demonstrated intent. You confirmed as much by saying he was looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. The response provided means. Providing means to someone with intent makes the responder complicit. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so. So whenever someone googles something on the internet related to a crime, all of the sources that were used as "means" to commit the crime were complicit, and should be prosecuted as such. Got it. |
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Post by cheap on Jul 7, 2017 18:02:30 GMT -5
maybe they should come up with a event free option you know, just click it and you don't have to play it. on second thought maybe not... someone will complain about it.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jul 7, 2017 18:19:03 GMT -5
We need to stick to the context of THIS situation, which I illustrated in my previous comment using your own analogy. It is a direct parallel of this specific case. The difference here is that the OP demonstrated intent. You confirmed as much by saying he was looking for an illegitimate way to acquire tokens quickly. The response provided means. Providing means to someone with intent makes the responder complicit. Saying otherwise doesn't make it so. So whenever someone googles something on the internet related to a crime, all of the sources that were used as "means" to commit the crime were complicit, and should be prosecuted as such. Got it. So if the man who draws up the plans for the Sep 11 attacks does not actually get on the plane himself and 'says' that he is against terrorism, he should not be subject to any legal or moral reprimand. Got it. Not the same and you know it. |
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Post by tekkamanblade on Jul 7, 2017 18:26:53 GMT -5
Keep it hot guys, nice conversations  I actually farmed a lot of tokens during Cap and Win tasks. Drop 3 Gekko Gepard, Cap some beacons, Gekko some robots, quit. 1 min game play = 2 tokens + beacon + potential win. That is some good farming right there. |
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 7, 2017 19:02:32 GMT -5
I personally have no respect for token farmers. They are no different than any other clubber, tanker, map skipper or fader. My dream is that Pix makes this game become the game it was originally designed to be.
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Post by MCYL on Jul 7, 2017 20:21:02 GMT -5
Keep it hot guys, nice conversations I actually farmed a lot of tokens during Cap and Win tasks. Drop 3 Gekko Gepard, Cap some beacons, Gekko some robots, quit. 1 min game play = 2 tokens + beacon + potential win. That is some good farming right there. That's just shows a lack of skill or very low expectations. You get what 2, max 3 beacons? And for what? 50 minutes of ignominy for 10s roll resulting in less tokens than you started 66% of the time. All that "working" for a game that's made for entertainment, you know your 50 mins of work is all equal to $1 with 66% chance of instant depreciation? By being useless your teams rate of win drops under 50:50 so I'm guessing your aim is..the leo? It's easy to be impressed when you set the bar that low  I don't even think about the tokens drive enemy off beacons whilst light bot allies chase down neutral beacons. If they don't leave, destroy them. Win, beacons or kills it doesn't matter as long as I keep checking the missions menu to reset tasks every now and then  |
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Post by MCYL on Jul 7, 2017 20:29:03 GMT -5
I personally have no respect for token farmers. They are no different than any other clubber, tanker, map skipper or fader. My dream is that Pix makes this game become the game it was originally designed to be. Profitable? It might very well be  |
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jul 7, 2017 20:32:12 GMT -5
MCYL , yes it may be. But so is every other way of manipulating the system. There is no honor in cheating. But these pilots don't care about honor.
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Post by MCYL on Jul 7, 2017 20:39:32 GMT -5
MCYL , yes it may be. But so is every other way of manipulating the system. There is no honor in cheating. But these pilots don't care about honor. No!!! I meant a couple of Russian lads decide to write a robot game in between phishing for VISA accs made the game to be profitable. What our token farmer stated above is only profitable if you balusters yourself worth at <$1.20 US per hour. And I wouldn't even call token farming cheating. Cheating ala Lance Armstrong in TDF or Schumacher slamming Hills car takes determination, indomitable self believe and like it or not, guts. Farming for tokens 2 at a time...hmm does "Bottom-Feeding" fit? |
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Post by punintelligent on Jul 7, 2017 22:25:30 GMT -5
There seem to be two differing opinions on the tokens/event rewards.
1: The tokens are earned too slowly to realistically complete the super chest
2: It's free stuff for just playing, so why complain.
You're both right. It's free stuff for just playing, but it takes an absurdly large amount of playing to get the super chest. There's no harm in suggesting that the token structure is poorly done; that's an opinion, and a valid one. The argument is that this event is to incentivize playing and purchasing. The event isn't about giving players free stuff, it's about Pixonic making $$. That's their choice as the developer. If players don't mind unrealistic grinds for supposed free awesome items then they don't need to complain; if players think the grind is a poorly veiled money-grab then why not complain?
This is my first event since I started playing this game, and by the end of day one I realized it was a money-grab. Sorry Pixonic, you made a great game, but I'm not paying more than the price of a AAA title new release game for a piece of content on a mobile game. Adjust your prices a bit and maybe we can talk ^_~
Saying it's a slap in the face may be a bit of an exaggeration considering you still get some free stuff, but when you give up on the grind and cash in for a couple 100 token chests and get silver for your time invested... well, it doesn't feel like they're doing me any real favor.
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Post by orkanhappy on Jul 10, 2017 7:11:47 GMT -5
My 3yr old son is in the leaver que, and let me tell ya. I was running into nothing but master and members from number 3 clan number 6, 4 , etc
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Post by arv90 on Jul 10, 2017 11:27:06 GMT -5
is it any trick to get better prize from bronze chest?
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Post by elcheapo on Jul 10, 2017 17:49:44 GMT -5
Thread railroaded....
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 20:45:24 GMT -5
is it any trick to get better prize from bronze chest? Wait until you have 100x that many tokens, and open a Gold chest. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Jul 10, 2017 20:47:57 GMT -5
There seem to be two differing opinions on the tokens/event rewards. 1: The tokens are earned too slowly to realistically complete the super chest 2: It's free stuff for just playing, so why complain. You're both right. It's free stuff for just playing, but it takes an absurdly large amount of playing to get the super chest. There's no harm in suggesting that the token structure is poorly done; that's an opinion, and a valid one. The argument is that this event is to incentivize playing and purchasing. The event isn't about giving players free stuff, it's about Pixonic making $$. That's their choice as the developer. If players don't mind unrealistic grinds for supposed free awesome items then they don't need to complain; if players think the grind is a poorly veiled money-grab then why not complain? This is my first event since I started playing this game, and by the end of day one I realized it was a money-grab. Sorry Pixonic, you made a great game, but I'm not paying more than the price of a AAA title new release game for a piece of content on a mobile game. Adjust your prices a bit and maybe we can talk ^_~ Saying it's a slap in the face may be a bit of an exaggeration considering you still get some free stuff, but when you give up on the grind and cash in for a couple 100 token chests and get silver for your time invested... well, it doesn't feel like they're doing me any real favor. The superchest is mainly for real spenders. You can realistically save up for two or three gold chests by normal playing. You'd have to play almost 24/7 to save enough for a super chest. The event gives us free stuff, but it doesn't give us everything for free. So the super chest is exclusive, and pretty much only obtainable to people that pay for enough tokens to get it. A $99.99 purchase of 13000 tokens gets you enough to open at least two super chests - maybe 3 if a lot of your spins get more coins. |
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Post by WilsonK on Jul 10, 2017 21:47:45 GMT -5
Not advising it, but you can start a game, hit something, get a beacon, quit. You can proably do 60 games per hour and 120 tokens per hour like that , possibly (depending how resistant to boredom you are) 500 tokens a day, reasonably up to 10.000 over the 20 days of event (but then, you probably won't make the tasks) Don't think that'll work for you if you quit immediately.. Unless you mech out or the battle ends. Whatever it is, finishing the battle to the end or till you mech out is still much more satisfying than "farming" tokens. Hell we could just pump in bucks and get 14,000 tokens, and probably open chests thats a total worth of 50,000 tokens maybe!  I know I spent $100 for gold in the last event, and got myself at least 100k worth of gold items, or even more. 5 Lances 3 Galahads 9 Gareths 3 Furys 6 Anciles 12 Zeuses 9 Orkans 10s of Aphids, Gekkos and more junk. Do the math, and of course better be opening 1k chests, 10/100 chests will be ensuring yourself to lose your tokens. |
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Post by arv90 on Jul 10, 2017 23:01:15 GMT -5
is it any trick to get better prize from bronze chest? Wait until you have 100x that many tokens, and open a Gold chest. i do one chest and gave me gekko already have 5 and dont use it |
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