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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jun 26, 2017 1:37:34 GMT -5
How I wish that Pixonic puts up a report system that will punish faders, AFK players and toxic players in general, similar to Dota 2 and CS:GO.
The punishments could be stated as follows:
1st offense: System Warning
2nd offense: Placement into Leaver's Queue
3rd offense: Placement into Low Priority (where rewards and gold are zero; players need to win three matches in low prio to get back into proper matchmaking)
4th offense: Longer placement into Low Priority (where rewards and gold are zero; players need to win SEVEN matches in low prio to get back into proper matchmaking)
5th offense: Suspension from the game
Bans should be reserved ONLY for CHEATERS and MATCHFIXERS and those who are very, very, very irredeemably toxic in game.\
The reason is that I encounter a lot of the following in my matches:
1. Faders
2. People who just go AFK outright
3. People who only play the first bot and then quit afterwards
4. People who only play the first two bots and then go AFK afterwards
Let's debate all we want on clubbers et al., but I think many agree that people should not ruin matches that are in progress and SHOULD BE GIVEN STERN PENALTIES.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 26, 2017 2:06:06 GMT -5
Moving to Rants. Topic's kinda been done to death, but for new folks wanting to voice their thoughts, that's as good a place as any.
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 27, 2017 13:28:57 GMT -5
Moving to Rants. Topic's kinda been done to death, but for new folks wanting to voice their thoughts, that's as good a place as any. Has the subject of a reporting system been talked about that much? I'm one of the folks that would love to see one implemented, but I don't honestly see a lot of conversation about reporting systems in general. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 27, 2017 14:08:02 GMT -5
Has the subject of a reporting system been talked about that much? I'm one of the folks that would love to see one implemented, but I don't honestly see a lot of conversation about reporting systems in general. , VectivusYou are welcome ;)  |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 27, 2017 16:50:05 GMT -5
Has the subject of a reporting system been talked about that much? I'm one of the folks that would love to see one implemented, but I don't honestly see a lot of conversation about reporting systems in general. , Vectivus You are welcome  Thanks, Russel! I've used this one before, but the concept that I'm speaking about (and haven't made very clear, sorry) is one much like League of Legends has, wherein you can click on a player name after the match, select from a list of offenses, add a brief note if needed, and send it on. It's a process that is easy to find and easy to implement, whereas the current method in War Robots is less user-friendly and not obvious to many who would otherwise use it. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 27, 2017 17:02:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Russel! I've used this one before, but the concept that I'm speaking about (and haven't made very clear, sorry) is one much like League of Legends has, wherein you can click on a player name after the match, select from a list of offenses, add a brief note if needed, and send it on. It's a process that is easy to find and easy to implement, whereas the current method in War Robots is less user-friendly and not obvious to many who would otherwise use it. Oh, I see. It's just I haven't been playing too many different games lately. But I think that introducing such concept would generate tons of reports, which Pixonic would need to review. |
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jun 27, 2017 22:28:47 GMT -5
Thanks, Russel! I've used this one before, but the concept that I'm speaking about (and haven't made very clear, sorry) is one much like League of Legends has, wherein you can click on a player name after the match, select from a list of offenses, add a brief note if needed, and send it on. It's a process that is easy to find and easy to implement, whereas the current method in War Robots is less user-friendly and not obvious to many who would otherwise use it. Oh, I see. It's just I haven't been playing too many different games lately. But I think that introducing such concept would generate tons of reports, which Pixonic would need to review. 1. Did not know that a report hotline exists. Thanks for pointing that out, Russell. 2. Yeah, as Vectivus suggests, I am thinking something like in Dota 2, LoL, CS and other titles where there is a report button after each matchup. 3. Well, that's the point of the system, right? To identify common issues so that players who do it are punished accordingly and hoping that they do not do it again. |
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Post by WilsonK on Jun 27, 2017 22:58:39 GMT -5
Oh, I see. It's just I haven't been playing too many different games lately. But I think that introducing such concept would generate tons of reports, which Pixonic would need to review. 1. Did not know that a report hotline exists. Thanks for pointing that out, Russell. 2. Yeah, as Vectivus suggests, I am thinking something like in Dota 2, LoL, CS and other titles where there is a report button after each matchup. 3. Well, that's the point of the system, right? To identify common issues so that players who do it are punished accordingly and hoping that they do not do it again. For a micro transaction based game.. It'll be hard to actually see these being applied, just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 0:26:14 GMT -5
Entering the real world. There so many problems with this game that if you reported all kinds of people they could be punished for PIXs mediocrity. There is also the of device, provider, wifi, the world around you, etc. I would hate to see any implementation like this.
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Post by tonyfla on Jun 28, 2017 2:29:11 GMT -5
I reported a player the other day for the name 'kikeslayer.' Was pretty quick and simple to do through the support link, as shown in the graphic above. Seems like a report button right after a match, when people are most likely to be freshly butthurt, would be ripe for abuse.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Jun 28, 2017 2:36:21 GMT -5
Entering the real world. There so many problems with this game that if you reported all kinds of people they could be punished for PIXs mediocrity. There is also the of device, provider, wifi, the world around you, etc. I would hate to see any implementation like this. Depends, really. But I see your point that Pix should fix their game basics first before going into things such as this |
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Post by acdcfan on Jun 28, 2017 3:10:10 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been answered but here it goes.
This game has been hacked at the beginning and I was wondering if Pixo has done anything about it.
But I agree with the op. Players fading in the game should be reported and punishment given.
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Post by psyflex on Jun 28, 2017 4:29:12 GMT -5
I think this would be dangerous and problematic as innocent players could get punished too.
The matches do most of the time look like this for me:
My controls are locking and i can't really move, aim or shoot. This might make me look like i am not playing right and i could get reported.
The "connecting" message is popping up (sometimes multiple times in a single match), so i can't do anything either, but wait. It is rare, but sometimes i get "Back to hangar", which makes me leave the match, but the players can't see why i am gone now.
Since patch 2.9, the app is freezing multiple times a day for me (before the match, it was "only" multiple times per week). So i need to kill the app and restart, resulting in leaving the battle too and again nobody can see why i am gone.
And sometimes a match just doesn't go well. I am last in damage, got 0 kills and 0 beacons. Not because i didn't try hard, but my bots got killed by snipers and hydras, everyone was quicker than me to finish the reds and someone was always faster to flip that beacon. So in the final stats it will look like i have done nothing useful for the team, while things just went bad for me.
I am sure, there would be angry players reporting me and in the end i will get punished for it.
I often also felt the need to report someone, who was ruining the win for my team, but then i think of my own in game problems and notice, that i do not know what was up with that guy.
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 28, 2017 9:08:46 GMT -5
I see that a lot of folks have concerns with an easy-to-access report feature, especially where potential abuse is concerned; imo, however, those concerns are already addressed by the model itself. Riot, the team behind League of Legends, individually assesses each report that comes through. I've played LoL for many years, and have never once been the target of a malicious report that resulted in a ban.
Yes, Pix would need to devote resources to being able to address the reports, but when you've got the issues that we do now with tankers and faders, well... that's just what has to happen if we want to see those problems be minimized.
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 28, 2017 9:10:58 GMT -5
Entering the real world. There so many problems with this game that if you reported all kinds of people they could be punished for PIXs mediocrity. There is also the of device, provider, wifi, the world around you, etc. I would hate to see any implementation like this. League of Legends does this very successfully in "the real world." I'm not suggesting anything that hasn't already been achieved elsewhere. |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 28, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -5
1. Did not know that a report hotline exists. Thanks for pointing that out, Russell. 2. Yeah, as Vectivus suggests, I am thinking something like in Dota 2, LoL, CS and other titles where there is a report button after each matchup. 3. Well, that's the point of the system, right? To identify common issues so that players who do it are punished accordingly and hoping that they do not do it again. For a micro transaction based game.. It'll be hard to actually see these being applied, just my opinion. Again (not to you, but in general), League of Legends does this already, and it is most certainly a microtransaction-based game. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 28, 2017 9:43:11 GMT -5
I see that a lot of folks have concerns with an easy-to-access report feature, especially where potential abuse is concerned; imo, however, those concerns are already addressed by the model itself. Riot, the team behind League of Legends, individually assesses each report that comes through. I've played LoL for many years, and have never once been the target of a malicious report that resulted in a ban. Yes, Pix would need to devote resources to being able to address the reports, but when you've got the issues that we do now with tankers and faders, well... that's just what has to happen if we want to see those problems be minimized. I almost agree with you. The only thing is that Pixonic support is not so good. In fact it's bad. It's "apple maps" bad. I just LOVE the game, the pricing model, the balance, constant upgrades... but sorry, Pixonic, your customer relations department sucks big time. I bumped into customer support twice, first time I just never got a live person response, second time thanks to Dredd my issue was resolved. Having praised their other departments, I think they just can't devote resources to the PR\CR dept YET, so right now "Report" would be a bad idea. And in the future, I suppose, they would fix that and introduce good team behind customer support. so it's just a question of time. |
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Post by piginapoke on Jun 28, 2017 9:55:20 GMT -5
I think this would be dangerous and problematic as innocent players could get punished too. The matches do most of the time look like this for me: My controls are locking and i can't really move, aim or shoot. This might make me look like i am not playing right and i could get reported. The "connecting" message is popping up (sometimes multiple times in a single match), so i can't do anything either, but wait. It is rare, but sometimes i get "Back to hangar", which makes me leave the match, but the players can't see why i am gone now. Since patch 2.9, the app is freezing multiple times a day for me (before the match, it was "only" multiple times per week). So i need to kill the app and restart, resulting in leaving the battle too and again nobody can see why i am gone. And sometimes a match just doesn't go well. I am last in damage, got 0 kills and 0 beacons. Not because i didn't try hard, but my bots got killed by snipers and hydras, everyone was quicker than me to finish the reds and someone was always faster to flip that beacon. So in the final stats it will look like i have done nothing useful for the team, while things just went bad for me. I am sure, there would be angry players reporting me and in the end i will get punished for it. I often also felt the need to report someone, who was ruining the win for my team, but then i think of my own in game problems and notice, that i do not know what was up with that guy. I think yours is a fair point. I too have been experiencing lag of late, right after the new update. When the "x" starts flashing (usually when a lot a players are on screen with missles or machine guns) what I do is turn to face a wall, when there isn't a lot happening on the screen, sometimes the lag goes away. Also do not press on th e"to hanger" immediately as soon as it appears - give it a few seconds, sometimes the game goes back to normal after a few seconds. I'm not saying that it works every time, but at least give it a try. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 15:44:44 GMT -5
Entering the real world. There so many problems with this game that if you reported all kinds of people they could be punished for PIXs mediocrity. There is also the of device, provider, wifi, the world around you, etc. I would hate to see any implementation like this. League of Legends does this very successfully in "the real world." I'm not suggesting anything that hasn't already been achieved elsewhere. THERE is not HERE . Therefore one cannot make the correlation that it would work. |
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Post by WilsonK on Jun 28, 2017 22:29:51 GMT -5
For a micro transaction based game.. It'll be hard to actually see these being applied, just my opinion. Again (not to you, but in general), League of Legends does this already, and it is most certainly a microtransaction-based game. Ahh I see, although I do not play LoL, lol.. In other news, is that Mechwarrior in your avatar?! |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jun 29, 2017 9:45:24 GMT -5
So what happens if a few players who have spent a combined $50 report a player that has played for years and has put thousands towards the game and puts more that $50 per month towards Pixonic(don't laugh,I know people in this camp). Is Pixonic really going to go after "whales" that make up 50% of their profits? No matter what, the system will be biased so $$$ players can still do what they want.
It is easy enough from a programming prospective to detect when someone leaves a match using the menu system so that is one way to punish, sure you could close the app but if someone closes and opens the app every match that's easy to detect too. Next idle players, if they are using the interface then idle every match that is easy to detect as well. Freeze their progress after x amount of offense's, it would make tanking very time consuming if not pointless. I would think detecting people with maxed hangers running 1/1 bots every match would be pretty easy to detect too.
There, tanking fixed.
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 29, 2017 10:40:28 GMT -5
League of Legends does this very successfully in "the real world." I'm not suggesting anything that hasn't already been achieved elsewhere. THERE is not HERE . Therefore one cannot make the correlation that it would work. Not seeing the logic behind this conclusion. What's so different about there vs here? |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 29, 2017 10:41:42 GMT -5
Again (not to you, but in general), League of Legends does this already, and it is most certainly a microtransaction-based game. Ahh I see, although I do not play LoL, lol.. In other news, is that Mechwarrior in your avatar?! It is! Fafnir for the win. There are a fair few of us 'Mech-heads hanging out here. |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 29, 2017 10:44:11 GMT -5
So what happens if a few players who have spent a combined $50 report a player that has played for years and has put thousands towards the game and puts more that $50 per month towards Pixonic(don't laugh,I know people in this camp). Is Pixonic really going to go after "whales" that make up 50% of their profits? No matter what, the system will be biased so $$$ players can still do what they want. It is easy enough from a programming prospective to detect when someone leaves a match using the menu system so that is one way to punish, sure you could close the app but if someone closes and opens the app every match that's easy to detect too. Next idle players, if they are using the interface then idle every match that is easy to detect as well. Freeze their progress after x amount of offense's, it would make tanking very time consuming if not pointless. I would think detecting people with maxed hangers running 1/1 bots every match would be pretty easy to detect too. There, tanking fixed. If a player is found to have done something that's questionable, they should be punished. No if's, and's or but's. It's what happens in games like Overwatch, and in League of Legends, and it should very well happen here too. I dig the tanking fixes; what about fading? |
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Post by stygianumbra on Jun 29, 2017 11:47:22 GMT -5
So what happens if a few players who have spent a combined $50 report a player that has played for years and has put thousands towards the game and puts more that $50 per month towards Pixonic(don't laugh,I know people in this camp). Is Pixonic really going to go after "whales" that make up 50% of their profits? No matter what, the system will be biased so $$$ players can still do what they want. It is easy enough from a programming prospective to detect when someone leaves a match using the menu system so that is one way to punish, sure you could close the app but if someone closes and opens the app every match that's easy to detect too. Next idle players, if they are using the interface then idle every match that is easy to detect as well. Freeze their progress after x amount of offense's, it would make tanking very time consuming if not pointless. I would think detecting people with maxed hangers running 1/1 bots every match would be pretty easy to detect too. There, tanking fixed. If a player is found to have done something that's questionable, they should be punished. No if's, and's or but's. It's what happens in games like Overwatch, and in League of Legends, and it should very well happen here too. I dig the tanking fixes; what about fading? LoL has been around a lot longer,is more played and has a much larger playerbase allowing them to absorb losses of "whales" far easier. Fading? Playing poorly on purpose I guess? I suppose you would have to develop heuristics to detect abnormal "poor gameplay" patterns. Probably too computationally intensive for this game. You can't have everything. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 29, 2017 12:04:25 GMT -5
The idea that I could be punished for letting my nephew/son/idiot friends play the game under my account, would suck. Player behavior profile... DCs or even leaving games... all something someone just exploring the game may have happen to them or that they may do b/c they don't understand what the impact would be, and wouldn't be able to even care b/c it wouldn't be their acct.
See, there are more than just simple reasons for seeing a Fader, AFK or leaver. I say, make LQ not rewarding, and make it stop League point loss or gain. Then, make the number of games to get out = 2x the amount of games you left. Increased if you keep leaving once in LQ. Makes it troublesome, but not impossible, to get out.
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 29, 2017 13:09:16 GMT -5
The idea that I could be punished for letting my nephew/son/idiot friends play the game under my account, would suck. Player behavior profile... DCs or even leaving games... all something someone just exploring the game may have happen to them or that they may do b/c they don't understand what the impact would be, and wouldn't be able to even care b/c it wouldn't be their acct. See, there are more than just simple reasons for seeing a Fader, AFK or leaver. I say, make LQ not rewarding, and make it stop League point loss or gain. Then, make the number of games to get out = 2x the amount of games you left. Increased if you keep leaving once in LQ. Makes it troublesome, but not impossible, to get out. It can also be said that it sucks for me when other folks decide to let their young relatives or idiot friends into a game in which I'm trying to do my best and would like others to do so as well, though. Why should other people get to decide that my team is going to suffer a handicap? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 29, 2017 13:16:05 GMT -5
Because it is a Mobile Game being promoted on Google Play/Apple Store/Amazon... not Steam on a PC with a limited audience and a hardcore rule set. I understand what you are saying... but... it's not going to ever be just 100% serious players all the time. I used to feel like you. Then I realized how different the base of players will end up as the game grows.
How bad is your life if a person screws your game up? What exactly does it affect? Not being a smartass... but seriously... what harm do you come to when your team is trash? You don't have to answer... but think about it.
Just how serious is any of this in regard to RL?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:37:58 GMT -5
THERE is not HERE . Therefore one cannot make the correlation that it would work. Not seeing the logic behind this conclusion. What's so different about there vs here? Who makes LL and who do they make it for? What countries are involved? WW is made by who, and who do they make it for? What country is involved? If you need more explanation, it doesn't matter anymore, cause you just wont get it. |
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Post by Vectivus on Jun 29, 2017 13:52:15 GMT -5
Not seeing the logic behind this conclusion. What's so different about there vs here? Who makes LL and who do they make it for? What countries are involved? WW is made by who, and who do they make it for? What country is involved? If you need more explanation, it doesn't matter anymore, cause you just wont get it. Or maybe I'm just not following your line of reasoning. Both games are made for players, both involve micro-transactions. If you'd like to lay out the answers to those questions, I'd be happy to read them. Are you suggesting that Pix is just out to bilk us, or cares only about the Russian players? |
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