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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Dec 26, 2016 9:29:52 GMT -5
Gepard doesn't need a Buff, it needs a rebalancing across the board. Too fast and tough at low levels, too slow and squishy at high levels. Of course it's the long running cash cow and Pixonic have missed opportunities galore to even it out a little. Can't wait for Zenit reloads to drop. A Fury would be almost 24/7 fire rain with 3 of them cycling at 10s intervals. I agree that zenit cycle time is pretty fast and you could be super annoying by dumping fat and slow rockets on reds continuously. I admit I would be tempted to run out my level 8-10 zenit that I leveled up when I didn't know any better. Hahahah
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Post by blognio on Dec 26, 2016 11:51:08 GMT -5
zenits can do some work against other zenit artillery. But that doesn't help your team hence they might come with a plasma griffin
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Post by ChillyTempurrrrr on Dec 26, 2016 13:19:57 GMT -5
Is Noone gonna talk about how good the pothead warrior will be.with both key components getting a buff.this could be the next craze just like trident fury or plasma galahads
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 27, 2016 0:42:04 GMT -5
a gepard buff would be appropriate actually. Something to make it competitive in gold tier. It is a gold bot after all. it needs a nerf AND a buff, so a MM penalty would be appropriate as well as an incremental speed boost every 2nd level just like all the other bots instead of max speed out of the box. Excellently said. I speak with limited experience of Gold Tier, but my understanding is that it needs a buff to remain viable there. (At least the Aphid buff gave it a niche - an Aphid boat which is itself quite resistant to Aphids) And it definitely needs a big MM penalty / initial speed nerf to stop clubbers ruining the game for newbies. I run in mid-Silver and it's ridiculous how the Gepard outclasses all the other non-penalty Mediums. I can't seriously be the only person who think it would be ridiculous to have a bot that: *Dominates the lowest tiers *Has this highest speed of light bots *Has health higher than many medium bots *Is available from level 1 *Has cockroach level proliferation from clubbing clans Continue doing all that into gold? We have the Gareth and Rogatka who are more expensive, have higher level caps and aren't currently viable in gold??? You may as well throw away all other bots if a level 1 bot becomes the new meta.
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DRTYDAV
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Post by DRTYDAV on Dec 27, 2016 15:17:38 GMT -5
Gepard doesn't need a Buff, it needs a rebalancing across the board. Too fast and tough at low levels, too slow and squishy at high levels. Of course it's the long running cash cow and Pixonic have missed opportunities galore to even it out a little. Can't wait for Zenit reloads to drop. A Fury would be almost 24/7 fire rain with 3 of them cycling at 10s intervals. GAWD PLEASE NO!!! Just leave me alone on the map or I will hunt you down and murder every bot you send out there like Liam Neesen. (I have a very particular set of skills)
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 27, 2016 16:07:01 GMT -5
I correct that. Gekko does 1863 per sec, recharges while firing. during those 3 seconds you would recover and fire an additional .82 seconds, add a little more for the .82 seconds (.22s) and its about 4.04 seconds. 1863 x 4 = 7526.52 x four gekkos = 30,106... but thats before the 15% increase. 34,622 is the full number. Every 11 seconds, the Gekko will fire 4 seconds. Every minute a Patton can do 4 cycles for 138,500 DPM 34.6K? Isn't that the 2nd lowest damage for a Patton setup (lowest being the quad Spirals - which at least have a high hit rate)? I would love to use my Gekkos again (I'm embarrassed to say that I have 4 of them), but this buff isn't going to make me think they are worth dusting off. Well, factor in the range... and it will make a bit more sense as to the excitement... me thinks. And hit rate? The Gekkos are basically "can't miss" as long as you have LoS. Granted, Spirals don't need that, but they also don't hit past 600m. Gekkos do. Reliably. Now, whether or not that will be enough to make them attractive to anyone who normally wouldn't camp if given a tent, insta-fire, sleeping bags, and a bottle of moonshine, is too much for me to guess at. I will say that I liked them when I played around in low silver tier with 3 of them on a Patton with an ECU. He could soak up sniper return fire with the ECU while the Gekkos reload. That said, I won't use them seriously, as they are, in Gold. Plus... they are aesthetically pleasing
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Dec 29, 2016 2:45:08 GMT -5
Hmmmmm they didnt mention the Aphid nerf, its probably a secret nerf like tuning the accuracy back so that Aphid users dont complain, cause Pix prob has many other things to fix
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Dec 29, 2016 2:45:58 GMT -5
Is Noone gonna talk about how good the pothead warrior will be.with both key components getting a buff.this could be the next craze just like trident fury or plasma galahads Like I said Aphids are getting a nerf, so the better Ancile shield will be countered by weaker Aphids
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WorstAimEver
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Post by WorstAimEver on Jan 5, 2017 15:21:19 GMT -5
Poor Patton!? Quad gekko is off the chain! It's doing 28k a cycle And you only have to invest 3k gold for aphids or Gekkos How in the world did that Patton not lose any weapons?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 5, 2017 15:48:33 GMT -5
And you only have to invest 3k gold for aphids or Gekkos How in the world did that Patton not lose any weapons? They seem to be keeping them longer in some situations... from what I've noticed.
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Scorpio Snow
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League: Silver
Favorite robot: Any bots counter Gepard at Silver
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Jan 5, 2017 21:17:20 GMT -5
So..how is the Fujin now? Is he a good contender compare to Carnage now?
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Scorpio Snow
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Favorite robot: Any bots counter Gepard at Silver
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Jan 5, 2017 21:44:37 GMT -5
I wish they rebalanced the Geps.. don't give it max speed at level 1.. Make it 47-58km/h for level 1-12.. That's all they need.. But that never gonna happened.. Oh well.
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 6, 2017 9:03:34 GMT -5
I disagree. The Gepard rules bronze and low silver because it usually comes with gold/wsp weapons. Any light/medium gold robot with gold/wsp weapons rules there. And even though the game is free to play, the devs must have a way to earn money - the equivalent of a Starbucks coffee here and then will net you enough gold to buy Gepards and Aphids, so yes, everybody who plays the game for days and days should give Pixonic some money and get a Gep themselves.
Speaking of Gekkos, I'm not convinced that the change will make them powerful. DPS-wise they are just a bit better than AT Spirals and Noricums, an 4x Gekko Patton will do 7.5k damage every 14 seconds at level 12 (without the 15% buff), or 8,6k with the buff (2,3k DPS). A Zeus does 5 times the damage of a Gekko. They make sense on Yamantau (which is to be redesigned) where you have distances over 1000m, but would you spend a hangar slot for a robot that works just one map? On most maps you'll be within 600m, and a Zeus Golem with Tulums and Pins has 4,2k DPS at level 12 compared to 2,2k with a new Gekko Patton. (Comparing medium AG to medium AG here. A Zeus/Gekko Natasha would do 6,2k DPS.
Giving this some perspective, a Taran/Mag Rhino will do 13k DPS at 350m, a Thunder Carnage 16k at close range, a Thunder Fury 24k. What good is it to be able to do 2,3k DPS so you need a full 90 seconds of successive hits to finish a heavy robot?
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Post by RightOn on Jan 7, 2017 12:33:40 GMT -5
I disagree. The Gepard rules bronze and low silver because it usually comes with gold/wsp weapons. Any light/medium gold robot with gold/wsp weapons rules there. And even though the game is free to play, the devs must have a way to earn money - the equivalent of a Starbucks coffee here and then will net you enough gold to buy Gepards and Aphids, so yes, everybody who plays the game for days and days should give Pixonic some money and get a Gep themselves. Speaking of Gekkos, I'm not convinced that the change will make them powerful. DPS-wise they are just a bit better than AT Spirals and Noricums, an 4x Gekko Patton will do 7.5k damage every 14 seconds at level 12 (without the 15% buff), or 8,6k with the buff (2,3k DPS). A Zeus does 5 times the damage of a Gekko. They make sense on Yamantau (which is to be redesigned) where you have distances over 1000m, but would you spend a hangar slot for a robot that works just one map? On most maps you'll be within 600m, and a Zeus Golem with Tulums and Pins has 4,2k DPS at level 12 compared to 2,2k with a new Gekko Patton. (Comparing medium AG to medium AG here. A Zeus/Gekko Natasha would do 6,2k DPS. Giving this some perspective, a Taran/Mag Rhino will do 13k DPS at 350m, a Thunder Carnage 16k at close range, a Thunder Fury 24k. What good is it to be able to do 2,3k DPS so you need a full 90 seconds of successive hits to finish a heavy robot? Dude, math. It does 34,000 every cycle. 8500 DPS for 4 seconds. The DPM is comparable to Twin Tridents or Tri Hydra.
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 9, 2017 5:11:26 GMT -5
Dude, communication skills.
No clue what you're talking about. DPS of course is cycle DPS and not burst DPS, and the numbers are taken from the Wiki. If you're referring to the Thunder, I was talking about level 12 weapons, so it does 81520 each cycle (but even at level 5 it's 42000 and not 34000).
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 9, 2017 5:46:57 GMT -5
WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL ACTIVE
Oh, because people are "proving to each other that they're right". Chill.
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Amogamogamog
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Good Morning, Pilots.
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Post by Amogamogamog on Jan 19, 2017 1:41:49 GMT -5
I heard they are buffing Boa.
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