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Post by Deadeye on Jun 12, 2017 9:49:21 GMT -5
My plasmahad is getting demolished by RDBs (and other assorted rocket platforms) since the 2.9 update to the point where I have switched it out for something else (alternating b/w a thunder carnage and zeus carnage right now, but I digress...). The plasmahad used to be one of my favorite bots as it was an excellent balance of mobility, durability and firepower, a relatively rare combo. I hate dropping the Galahad all together, so I'm thinking of alternate uses. I have played the orkan/piñata Galahad and it is situational at best suffering from the same RDB issues up close. That and my orkan rog fills the fast-annoying-rocket-spitter far better. That leaves me with the RDB version. I know I will still be susceptible to other RDBs and and Tridents, but with situational awareness and mobility, I think I can make it work a bit as an initial beacon runner/mid-range skirmisher early in the larger stages and a last annoying finisher in the smaller stages. I know the lack of jump is a big draw back, but I think the mobility may offset that some (from an offensive standpoint, though not defensive).
I'd like to hear other people's experience with them. I have to level up a set of RDB rockets to get them ready so I can't play them at my current stage. For perspective and reference, I'm playing at champion level with tons of the meta bots that come with that, so that perspective interests me the most.
My other 4 bots that I run are as follows:
Lancelot (lvl 12) - Tarans lvl 12, Ancile lvl 11 Griff (lvl 11) - DB rockets lvl 12 Griff (lvl 11) - RDB rockets lvl 12 tulus, lvl 11 pins (upgrading these now) Rog (lvl 11) - Orkans lvl 12 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 9:55:12 GMT -5
Imo, it's not good. Annoying to face one for sure, but damage potential is low and survivability is mediocre. Of course it can work and it may be somewhat useful if deployed at the right time. If I were you, I'd add a plasma griff - watch PopcornFury's vids on youtube for inspiration on how to play them superbly. I shelved two maxed Gallys myself after the update, so I feel your pain  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 10:04:44 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is overpowered, enough said. That thing invalidates ALL the use of non Ancile Mediums and Lights. It's impossible to use the baiting technique to strategically force a midranger to shoot and miss. With every buff to a weapon, more skill is removed from the game. If they wanted to nerf british bots, a midrange nerf wasn't needed.
The Russian Galahad, is an OKish bot and it's usable now.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 12, 2017 10:09:12 GMT -5
My plasmahad is getting demolished by RDBs (and other assorted rocket platforms) since the 2.9 update to the point where I have switched it out for something else (alternating b/w a thunder carnage and zeus carnage right now, but I digress...). The plasmahad used to be one of my favorite bots as it was an excellent balance of mobility, durability and firepower, a relatively rare combo. I hate dropping the Galahad all together, so I'm thinking of alternate uses. I have played the orkan/piñata Galahad and it is situational at best suffering from the same RDB issues up close. That and my orkan rog fills the fast-annoying-rocket-spitter far better. That leaves me with the RDB version. I know I will still be susceptible to other RDBs and and Tridents, but with situational awareness and mobility, I think I can make it work a bit as an initial beacon runner/mid-range skirmisher early in the larger stages and a last annoying finisher in the smaller stages. I know the lack of jump is a big draw back, but I think the mobility may offset that some (from an offensive standpoint, though not defensive).
I'd like to hear other people's experience with them. I have to level up a set of RDB rockets to get them ready so I can't play them at my current stage. For perspective and reference, I'm playing at champion level with tons of the meta bots that come with that, so that perspective interests me the most.
My other 4 bots that I run are as follows:
Lancelot (lvl 12) - Tarans lvl 12, Ancile lvl 11 Griff (lvl 11) - DB rockets lvl 12 Griff (lvl 11) - RDB rockets lvl 12 tulus, lvl 11 pins (upgrading these now) Rog (lvl 11) - Orkans lvl 12 Just for your reference, I am in iOS Expert III, but more often than not I am in the same MM pool as Champion League, so I know a thing or two about the meta there. I personally haven't played an RDB Galahad myself, but I have played against them and I always seem to remember the experience. The strength of the RDB Galahad is how surreptitious they are. Whenever anyone sees a Galahad, they usually assume they're safe outside of 350m, but before they know it they have lost their last 25% HP to an underpowered bot and a bad assumption. I guess you could think of it like a tulu Rogatka. It's not so powerful, but it IS annoying and underestimated. But as you say, keep an eye out for Tridents and Tulus, cause those Carnages, Furys and Griffins will be licking their chops... |
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 12, 2017 10:19:02 GMT -5
Imo, it's not good. Annoying to face one for sure, but damage potential is low and survivability is mediocre. Of course it can work and it may be somewhat useful if deployed at the right time. If I were you, I'd add a plasma griff - watch PopcornFury's vids on youtube for inspiration on how to play them superbly. I shelved two maxed Gallys myself after the update, so I feel your pain I've run plenty of PDB griff battles and love them. With all the Lancelots still running around though, and the afore mentioned RDB griffs, I find the plasma has lost some of it's previous luster. Used to, the abundance of plasma on the field would assure that I wasn't the only PDB trying to break a lance shield and they would go down much faster. Now, it takes too long and I'm toast. The RDB griff problem is self-explanatory with the distance difference. Additionally, with all of the RDB griffs jumping around, the zeuses are out in full effect and are also hurting the PDB. I've shelved a full array of maxed PDB weapons because of it.  |
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 12, 2017 10:22:37 GMT -5
Just for your reference, I am in iOS Expert III, but more often than not I am in the same MM pool as Champion League, so I know a thing or two about the meta there. I personally haven't played an RDB Galahad myself, but I have played against them and I always seem to remember the experience. The strength of the RDB Galahad is how surreptitious they are. Whenever anyone sees a Galahad, they usually assume they're safe outside of 350m, but before they know it they have lost their last 25% HP to an underpowered bot and a bad assumption. I guess you could think of it like a tulu Rogatka. It's not so powerful, but it IS annoying and underestimated. But as you say, keep an eye out for Tridents and Tulus, cause those Carnages, Furys and Griffins will be licking their chops... I agree. I squad often and I see this bot as being a good surprise flanker to help move the reds out of position and/or divert attention from a main attacking group. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 10:34:01 GMT -5
Imo, it's not good. Annoying to face one for sure, but damage potential is low and survivability is mediocre. Of course it can work and it may be somewhat useful if deployed at the right time. If I were you, I'd add a plasma griff - watch PopcornFury's vids on youtube for inspiration on how to play them superbly. I shelved two maxed Gallys myself after the update, so I feel your pain I've run plenty of PDB griff battles and love them. With all the Lancelots still running around though, and the afore mentioned RDB griffs, I find the plasma has lost some of it's previous luster. Used to, the abundance of plasma on the field would assure that I wasn't the only PDB trying to break a lance shield and they would go down much faster. Now, it takes too long and I'm toast. The RDB griff problem is self-explanatory with the distance difference. Additionally, with all of the RDB griffs jumping around, the zeuses are out in full effect and are also hurting the PDB. I've shelved a full array of maxed PDB weapons because of it. I'm convinced PDB Griffs can still work - currently experimenting with running 2 of them |
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Post by moody on Jun 12, 2017 18:30:50 GMT -5
I've run plenty of PDB griff battles and love them. With all the Lancelots still running around though, and the afore mentioned RDB griffs, I find the plasma has lost some of it's previous luster. Used to, the abundance of plasma on the field would assure that I wasn't the only PDB trying to break a lance shield and they would go down much faster. Now, it takes too long and I'm toast. The RDB griff problem is self-explanatory with the distance difference. Additionally, with all of the RDB griffs jumping around, the zeuses are out in full effect and are also hurting the PDB. I've shelved a full array of maxed PDB weapons because of it. I'm convinced PDB Griffs can still work - currently experimenting with running 2 of them I have been running them on and off. Currently temporarily running two until I can get orkans 5 and 6 up to speed. They do do some incredible damage if you get them into the right place at the right time - but they have to be in the open and have no defence other than running against anything. They stand a slightly better chance I think now that that the ubiquitous Galahad has vanished. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 19:29:05 GMT -5
I'm not impressed with the setup. Needs more umph, bit its lacking a tulu. I still find the plasmahad good, but I'm an anomaly, an enigma, ..........oops, sorry
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 12, 2017 19:38:07 GMT -5
From what I've heard, it's not a great option. And practically speaking, it makes sense that it isn't. You're red counter would be a RDB Griffin, and take a look at that face off. The Griff has more firepower, more durability, and the ability to jump out of a salvo. The Galahad doesn't have the ability to dodge a tulus and pins like it can a regular DB. And the shield is much less useful in the rocket meta. I think for the niche that the Galahad still fits, the best setup is still Plasma.
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Post by snk on Jun 12, 2017 20:10:49 GMT -5
I have seen Tulumbus Ancilelot and Tulumbus Galahad many times in Expert iOS, the damage isn't great but they sure shocks me. I will not consider Tulumbus Galahad, just because at 500m you will against a lot of Tridents, Tulumbus and Pin which put Galahad not a right bot for the jobs. Tulumbus Galahad only advantage at 500m probably against Zeus and Trebs, the rest RDB Griffin better like more firepower, more hp and jump away from other splash damage.
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 12, 2017 22:33:02 GMT -5
Nope. Galahad's (and Gareth) dead for now because of the mid-range rocket resurgence. Maybe in lower levels they're still viable but certainly not in high tiers.
The galahad's advantage was speed and shield--neither of which can withstand an RDB barrage. There's no configuration that the griff can't do better; so no point in beating a dead horse.
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Post by noobcake on Jun 12, 2017 23:01:58 GMT -5
I hate to say it but the tulumbas rog is half decent and probably better than the tulumbas Galahad. You'll never need to be close enough to plasma and you can take out most RDB pilots with barely a scratch.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 13, 2017 13:44:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the input folks. Looks like I might just be shelving the Galahad for a bit until something changes. It's a shame...I guess it was too good for it's own good and the Pix RDB buff was aimed almost directly at the 2 smaller knights (and to some degree, the larger one). Maybe I will try out the Molot...ahad??? Molots counter the RDB fairly well, but without the extra Molot T, it seems like it wouldn't have much punch to it.
Anyway, I'll probably just save that spot for the coming Dash MKII bot I will be purchasing and use a Thunder Carnage until then. It's my fill-in for the 5th slot.
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Post by elcheapo on Jun 14, 2017 8:19:33 GMT -5
The Galahad has a nice Raijin shield . XD
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Jun 14, 2017 9:17:17 GMT -5
I just change my RDB griffin to plasma gareth today.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 14, 2017 9:36:36 GMT -5
I just change my RDB griffin to plasma gareth today. Do you shave against the grain... go in the out doors... go up the left side of a staircase? Because you are definitely not conforming by going Gary over Griff!  Rock On, Rebel! |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 14, 2017 10:08:39 GMT -5
Tulu Pin Gala is underwhelming. It isn't absolutely horrible... but I'd rather run RDB Griff, Thunder Pin Leo, Thunder Tulu Lance, Tulu Fujin, Tulu Doc, Pin Jesse... well, you get the picture.
Galahad had a year to shine almost... and I guess it's time. They were still in testing when I started playing... and as a noob, my first Gold purchase was to get a Gary and a Galahad, after I had ground out my 5th slot. They were truly awesome then. A shame to see them absolutely worthless now. Wellllll, Ork Pinata version of Gary is still viable... he's fast enough to be sneaky and just stay out of RDB's LoS or range. Not enough damage to take on most things 1v1 since they will have rockets, most likely, too. But good for harassment, beacon stealing, and general chaos... still.
Galahad I just can't find anything to run on it other than the Plasma that is worth fielding. Plasmahad is still doable.. but you have to turn on the ole battle awareness skill to 11. Staying out of range or LoS, and/or sticking with an Ancile bot... they are still very good against plasma bots so you can do well as an anti-PDB Carny friend... but the meta is still finding its new balance and will prolly not be Plasmaful for a little while longer. So, don't sell 'em folks! But don't use 'em like you used to, either.
I'm trying to take a fresh look at mine too, but not just weapons like the OP. I am looking at role and methods of use as well... maybe there is a niche yet to fill.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 14, 2017 10:56:53 GMT -5
Tulu Pin Gala is underwhelming. It isn't absolutely horrible... but I'd rather run RDB Griff, Thunder Pin Leo, Thunder Tulu Lance, Tulu Fujin, Tulu Doc, Pin Jesse... well, you get the picture. Galahad had a year to shine almost... and I guess it's time. They were still in testing when I started playing... and as a noob, my first Gold purchase was to get a Gary and a Galahad, after I had ground out my 5th slot. They were truly awesome then. A shame to see them absolutely worthless now. Wellllll, Ork Pinata version of Gary is still viable... he's fast enough to be sneaky and just stay out of RDB's LoS or range. Not enough damage to take on most things 1v1 since they will have rockets, most likely, too. But good for harassment, beacon stealing, and general chaos... still. Galahad I just can't find anything to run on it other than the Plasma that is worth fielding. Plasmahad is still doable.. but you have to turn on the ole battle awareness skill to 11. Staying out of range or LoS, and/or sticking with an Ancile bot... they are still very good against plasma bots so you can do well as an anti-PDB Carny friend... but the meta is still finding its new balance and will prolly not be Plasmaful for a little while longer. So, don't sell 'em folks! But don't use 'em like you used to, either. I'm trying to take a fresh look at mine too, but not just weapons like the OP. I am looking at role and methods of use as well... maybe there is a niche yet to fill. IMO, YMMV The only other role/loadout I've had success with for the Galahad was as a Triple Molot counter sniper/midranger. His shield is finally a benefit, even over the Griffin's firepower advantage of having another Molot MkII and jump ability. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 14, 2017 11:46:15 GMT -5
Tulu Pin Gala is underwhelming. It isn't absolutely horrible... but I'd rather run RDB Griff, Thunder Pin Leo, Thunder Tulu Lance, Tulu Fujin, Tulu Doc, Pin Jesse... well, you get the picture. Galahad had a year to shine almost... and I guess it's time. They were still in testing when I started playing... and as a noob, my first Gold purchase was to get a Gary and a Galahad, after I had ground out my 5th slot. They were truly awesome then. A shame to see them absolutely worthless now. Wellllll, Ork Pinata version of Gary is still viable... he's fast enough to be sneaky and just stay out of RDB's LoS or range. Not enough damage to take on most things 1v1 since they will have rockets, most likely, too. But good for harassment, beacon stealing, and general chaos... still. Galahad I just can't find anything to run on it other than the Plasma that is worth fielding. Plasmahad is still doable.. but you have to turn on the ole battle awareness skill to 11. Staying out of range or LoS, and/or sticking with an Ancile bot... they are still very good against plasma bots so you can do well as an anti-PDB Carny friend... but the meta is still finding its new balance and will prolly not be Plasmaful for a little while longer. So, don't sell 'em folks! But don't use 'em like you used to, either. I'm trying to take a fresh look at mine too, but not just weapons like the OP. I am looking at role and methods of use as well... maybe there is a niche yet to fill. IMO, YMMV The only other role/loadout I've had success with for the Galahad was as a Triple Molot counter sniper/midranger. His shield is finally a benefit, even over the Griffin's firepower advantage of having another Molot MkII and jump ability. Well, Hell... might have to try that... but I don't know that I want to take out my truly good Mid-Range option(s) to replace it, and I damn sure don't want to take out a Brawler... BUT... I would definitely try it a few games. Cheers for the idea of something to keep the Gala in my hangar! |
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 14, 2017 11:54:15 GMT -5
The only other role/loadout I've had success with for the Galahad was as a Triple Molot counter sniper/midranger. His shield is finally a benefit, even over the Griffin's firepower advantage of having another Molot MkII and jump ability. Well, Hell... might have to try that... but I don't know that I want to take out my truly good Mid-Range option(s) to replace it, and I damn sure don't want to take out a Brawler... BUT... I would definitely try it a few games. Cheers for the idea of something to keep the Gala in my hangar! No problem and I have the exact same issue with not really wanting to give up my current mid rangers for that setup. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 14, 2017 13:51:52 GMT -5
Just had a little fun on my second account... needed to complete the "liberate hostile beacons with a medium robot" daily. So, remembering this thread, I put a Tulu and Pins on my only quick medium, my Gala... First game was on DC. It was actually pretty darn decent. Now, granted, this is Silver 2... BUUUT... I may try it on the Gold 2 account again for 「dookie」s and giggles...  I started in the Leo and had a pretty good run with it... taking out another Leo and hurting a few other bots, possibly getting more kills... not sure cant remember, b4 it got taken down. Then, chose the Gala as the 2nd bot. It was really shining on the sides of that map where the side and home beacons are for each team with that long open stretch of map... I was on our Home beacon side and was providing rocket fire at a good range to soften up / kill their side beacon defenders. They didn't have any good RDB/Midrangers out to counter me on that side, at that time, however, so I think it was just a lucky game. Either way, will keep playing it a bit and see. I may have been wrong to say it's no good since I was only thinking about it from the perspective of my main account. I know a lot of folks tell peeps to only upgrade what they want to take to 12, but, I say, it may make more sense to go with what you want at each stage, possibly using stuff that may not work further up, if it works well where you are at. Upgrading to level 6 or, at the most, 7, is good enough to score well in Silver, and therefore, good enough to decide if you want to take it further up. Anyway, just wanted to share those thoughts about it since this thread was fresh... And I will close with, keep an open mind and decide for yourself what is good and what isn't. Use advice and other people's experience as a guide... especially for expensive purchases, but you are the only person that matters as far as making the game pleasing to play. IMO, YMMV.   |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jun 14, 2017 17:16:41 GMT -5
I had the, 'destroy 6 bots with a medium bot task', so I swapped in my Galahad and Carnage to speed through the task. I took out my rdb Griffin, so I put the weapons on the Galahad instead of plasma. For me it does not pack the same punch as the Plasma Galahad or rdb Griffin. Swapped it back before I even finished to task not enough firepower and with all the splash damage it is not as effective as the plasma.
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 14, 2017 17:18:55 GMT -5
Hated it. I prefer the Galahad with an Orkan and two Magnums.
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Post by bronzeknee on Jun 14, 2017 18:41:51 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is overpowered, enough said. That thing invalidates ALL the use of non Ancile Mediums and Lights. It's impossible to use the baiting technique to strategically force a midranger to shoot and miss. With every buff to a weapon, more skill is removed from the game. If they wanted to nerf british bots, a midrange nerf wasn't needed. The Russian Galahad, is an OKish bot and it's usable now. Don't worry, the Dash MkII is going to take over the role of the RBD Griffin soon, with 3 Tulumbas, Dash to dodge rockets, and a built into Ancile... overpowered even more? |
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Post by moody on Jun 14, 2017 18:48:54 GMT -5
I just change my RDB griffin to plasma gareth today. Do you shave against the grain... go in the out doors... go up the left side of a staircase? Because you are definitely not conforming by going Gary over Griff! Rock On, Rebel! You can shave against the grain, it's the only way to get it really smooth. Use lots of lather and do a with-the-grain pass, lather again and do a cross-the-grain pass, lather a third time and go against the grain. Apply no pressure and let the weight of the razor do the work. As everyone says in shaving circles, your mileage may vary. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 15, 2017 7:56:31 GMT -5
Do you shave against the grain... go in the out doors... go up the left side of a staircase? Because you are definitely not conforming by going Gary over Griff! Rock On, Rebel! You can shave against the grain, it's the only way to get it really smooth. Use lots of lather and do a with-the-grain pass, lather again and do a cross-the-grain pass, lather a third time and go against the grain. Apply no pressure and let the weight of the razor do the work. As everyone says in shaving circles, your mileage may vary. I know... was the only way to get this... monstrosity?... of a beard, smooth... but it fit the post! Boot camp was the first time I had to do that... BTW... shaving with the grain was hammered into me growing up so I thought against the grain was wrong. Well, my D.I.s informed me that I was as nasty as a subhuman recruit could be, and I had to do it over... shaving up. Let me tell ya... I looked like a deranged cat attacked my face until I could buy a decent razor at the PX! So, until then, I still caught hell and failed the hygiene inspections every night due to the cuts! LOL... good times. |
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Post by moody on Jun 15, 2017 8:16:57 GMT -5
You can shave against the grain, it's the only way to get it really smooth. Use lots of lather and do a with-the-grain pass, lather again and do a cross-the-grain pass, lather a third time and go against the grain. Apply no pressure and let the weight of the razor do the work. As everyone says in shaving circles, your mileage may vary. I know... was the only way to get this... monstrosity?... of a beard, smooth... but it fit the post! Boot camp was the first time I had to do that... BTW... shaving with the grain was hammered into me growing up so I thought against the grain was wrong. Well, my D.I.s informed me that I was as nasty as a subhuman recruit could be, and I had to do it over... shaving up. Let me tell ya... I looked like a deranged cat attacked my face until I could buy a decent razor at the PX! So, until then, I still caught hell and failed the hygiene inspections every night due to the cuts! LOL... good times. Glad I didn't go through that. I would have failed for longer (I can't do a third pass on my neck - just painful). |
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Post by moody on Jun 15, 2017 8:22:52 GMT -5
As per original topic. Tried RDB Galahad tonight (all medium bot hangar). Not bad but it feels like a true mid ranger. DB griff brawls when necessary. Gal felt too fragile.
That said, it kills bots. I went head to head with an RDB griff without a great pilot. We we're reload firing at each other at 490 m but I kept moving and he missed every second or third shot. Got him with 1/3 health left. Then worked on others and managed to take down ancils for allied trident carnie.
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Post by bigdopep on Jun 15, 2017 9:05:53 GMT -5
The Russian Griffin is overpowered, enough said. That thing invalidates ALL the use of non Ancile Mediums and Lights. It's impossible to use the baiting technique to strategically force a midranger to shoot and miss. With every buff to a weapon, more skill is removed from the game. If they wanted to nerf british bots, a midrange nerf wasn't needed. The Russian Galahad, is an OKish bot and it's usable now. Please tell me what skill is required to blast your plasma from behind a shield to anything the hasnt got a shield?? |
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