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Post by troll007 on Dec 2, 2016 6:03:06 GMT -5
Is it ok to leave low level games whenever there are 1-2 Mag/Aphid Geps in enemy team? Don't see any way to win or even see the game as balanced whenever that happens. Plus the fact the since it is so low level, allies don't try to cap and are just standing and dying.
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Post by zeus on Dec 2, 2016 6:14:09 GMT -5
Yes, playing a game is all about personal enjoyment, if you don't want to face clubbers or if most of your team mates are ?special?ed monkeys, feel free to leave the game. If you leave the game during the starting 15 seconds countdown, the game will probably match another player into the game. Do whatever you want to do,there are zero consequences for leaving a game midway, other than to your average kills, damage and wins, but those aren't really important.
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Post by troll007 on Dec 2, 2016 9:44:22 GMT -5
Yes, playing a game is all about personal enjoyment, if you don't want to face clubbers or if most of your team mates are ?special?ed monkeys, feel free to leave the game. If you leave the game during the starting 15 seconds countdown, the game will probably match another player into the game. Do whatever you want to do,there are zero consequences for leaving a game midway, other than to your average kills, damage and wins, but those aren't really important. Thanks. Thought I was going to get penalized like any other online games for leaving a game when a match has started. |
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 2, 2016 13:38:49 GMT -5
There's no penalty for leaving a game and I agree, it's no fun to fight bots which are frankly overpowered.
It's especially not fun to have your bot ripped apart with almost no chance to retaliate.
I hope that Pixonic keeps stats on these situations and at some point thinks "maybe these guys are ruining the game" and does something about it.
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Post by mpower on Dec 2, 2016 23:23:38 GMT -5
I exit the game immediately if I see 4-5 Snipers within the 15 secs cool down. There is no way I can win when 4-5 of them hide behind covers not going after beacons.
I would also exit the game if I see 2 or more Gepards in Red. For some reason every Gepard I see even if Level 1 are carrying level 10-12 weapons and in most cases nearly all 5 slots are Gepards with level 9-12 weapons.
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Post by brickmaster18 on Dec 5, 2016 2:30:37 GMT -5
I exit the game immediately if I see 4-5 Snipers within the 15 secs cool down. There is no way I can win when 4-5 of them hide behind covers not going after beacons. I would also exit the game if I see 2 or more Gepards in Red. For some reason every Gepard I see even if Level 1 are carrying level 10-12 weapons and in most cases nearly all 5 slots are Gepards with level 9-12 weapons. I certainly think that's true most of the time I'm surrounded by gerpards with high level weapons, and there's nothing I can do. It is indeed okay to leave if you feel overwhelmed by spam enemies with each slot that is the same freakin robot at same level and quick killing weapons. |
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Post by brickmaster18 on Dec 5, 2016 2:36:32 GMT -5
I exit the game immediately if I see 4-5 Snipers within the 15 secs cool down. There is no way I can win when 4-5 of them hide behind covers not going after beacons. I would also exit the game if I see 2 or more Gepards in Red. For some reason every Gepard I see even if Level 1 are carrying level 10-12 weapons and in most cases nearly all 5 slots are Gepards with level 9-12 weapons. I'd also like to add that too many snipers can be advantage for fast move robots with powerful weapons. Even getting close should be easy as long as you go for cover and little bit of luck on your side your get them to flee quickly. |
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Post by mpower on Dec 5, 2016 21:51:39 GMT -5
I exit the game immediately if I see 4-5 Snipers within the 15 secs cool down. There is no way I can win when 4-5 of them hide behind covers not going after beacons. I would also exit the game if I see 2 or more Gepards in Red. For some reason every Gepard I see even if Level 1 are carrying level 10-12 weapons and in most cases nearly all 5 slots are Gepards with level 9-12 weapons. I certainly think that's true most of the time I'm surrounded by gerpards with high level weapons, and there's nothing I can do. It is indeed okay to leave if you feel overwhelmed by spam enemies with each slot that is the same freakin robot at same level and quick killing weapons. Prime example was 1 of my yesterday game. 3 players with hangars full of Level 1 Gepards with Level 10-12 weapons. That match was over in a minute and a half flat ! |
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Post by mpower on Dec 5, 2016 22:09:34 GMT -5
I exit the game immediately if I see 4-5 Snipers within the 15 secs cool down. There is no way I can win when 4-5 of them hide behind covers not going after beacons. I would also exit the game if I see 2 or more Gepards in Red. For some reason every Gepard I see even if Level 1 are carrying level 10-12 weapons and in most cases nearly all 5 slots are Gepards with level 9-12 weapons. I'd also like to add that too many snipers can be advantage for fast move robots with powerful weapons. Even getting close should be easy as long as you go for cover and little bit of luck on your side your get them to flee quickly. Yes if the scenario was reverse. ie. Too many Snipers in Red. Sometimes Red Knife fighters cluster in one area and left an empty pocket like in Powerplant map. Plenty of cover for me to sneak in and take the Snipers down. The timing has to be right because if your team mates kill Reds right at the time you are in Red's Spawn point, instead of facing 1 or 2 snipers you may suddenly be facing 3 or 4 bots as they spawn. That happened to me once and they hammered me like a pinata. |
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Post by petevb on Dec 6, 2016 13:27:31 GMT -5
Leaving a game early (after the game starts) is perhaps the most selfish thing you can do in the game. You've essentially guaranteed the other team a win, and you've ruined 5 other player's games (some would say 11, because the other team's likely to win in a walk). So you're wasting 10 people's time why- because you don't like to lose? IMHO how you play the game is far more important that winning or losing. It's a mindset- there is honor in going down swinging even if you're doomed. It'll make you a better player, and just occasionally you'll surprise yourself. Or you can be one of those guys that's ruining the game. I'm going to drop every last bot even when it looks hopeless. And in many of my best matches I guarantee my teammates felt hopelessly outmatched with weak teammates and far stronger bots on the other side. The fact that they stuck it out made the difference between a great game and a terrible one in the end. I thank guys who don't quit. I have zero patience or respect for guys that do.  |
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Post by Dredd77 on Dec 6, 2016 14:22:33 GMT -5
I applaud this spirit, petevb. Been playing for a week and in my last game fought the urge to abort. No idea why, but some bonehead piloting a fellow Gep followed me way out of the way to a beacon, then pinned me against the canyon wall. Once I managed to get free, he reappeared at my cover point and nudged me out of it.
I don't care what I'm up against yet, maybe that's easy to say as I'm new. Only times I've ever gotten even a little frustrated at the game is when teammates do ineffective things like that, which is rare. /knockonwood
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 6, 2016 16:19:23 GMT -5
If I'm farming, which I do most of the time, currently, I'll drop out of a game for 2 reasons:
1- I see more than 1 Gepard on my team, particularly Mag-Geps. I have no love for Gep Clubbers and have no reason to play a match that the best possible result for me is 3rd place damage with no chance at getting most beacons. This is also a courtesy to the Reds. If they don't have to worry about me, they can spend more time trying to take on the Clubbers and maybe have some sort of chance at a win.
2- My team is being spawn raided by more than 2 Gepards within 1 minute of match start. I have no love for Gep Clubbers and have no reason to remain in an unwinnable situation. It's not fun and you aren't going to learn anything. I had to learn to skip those matches to maintain my own sanity.
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Post by Trogon on Dec 6, 2016 16:21:19 GMT -5
Leaving a game early (after the game starts) is perhaps the most selfish thing you can do in the game. You've essentially guaranteed the other team a win, and you've ruined 5 other player's games (some would say 11, because the other team's likely to win in a walk). So you're wasting 10 people's time why- because you don't like to lose? IMHO how you play the game is far more important that winning or losing. It's a mindset- there is honor in going down swinging even if you're doomed. It'll make you a better player, and just occasionally you'll surprise yourself. Or you can be one of those guys that's ruining the game. I'm going to drop every last bot even when it looks hopeless. And in many of my best matches I guarantee my teammates felt hopelessly outmatched with weak teammates and far stronger bots on the other side. The fact that they stuck it out made the difference between a great game and a terrible one in the end. I thank guys who don't quit. I have zero patience or respect for guys that do. Honorable sentiments to be sure. For me -this is just a game that I'm spending a few of my precious spare moments playing as a diversion. I chose to spend those moments in random games where I have a chance, instead of getting hopelessly massacred by squads of OP mag geps. I don't quit games that get tough, or to avoid losing, or if I don't like the looks of my team, or I don't like the map. I've fought plenty of really tough games down to my last bot. Those are usually the games I enjoy the most. Some I've lost even though it was obvious we were going to, but I kept fighting. Others we've managed to end up winning. If I were in a clan and squadding with clan mates, I wouldn't quit then. But I do quit random games where the nuances of the matchmaker system and the choices of some other players to exploit those nuances have presented me with a no-win scenario from the get-go. I play this game to have fun, and to me that's not fun, it's a waste of my time, and I don't find it does anything to help me be a better player. |
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Post by petevb on Dec 6, 2016 17:31:28 GMT -5
I get it. I still believe it's selfish, and that's not who I want to be.
I played a solo game yesterday where I got dropped in against Swarm's full maxed A-team. I knew before I even dropped that we'd lose, and lose big- if I running with the full clan we'd have a better than even shot, but running with randoms I knew we were going to get clobbered. And we did- took about 4 minutes. But I dropped anyway- it's a challenge, it's humbling, and at the end of the day while I like to win I don't like it enough to compromise myself. Obviously opinions differ- lots of guys would cheat if they could, etc. Sure it's just a game that we play for fun, but it's also respect- for the game, for other people's time, etc.
At the end of the day who you are when no one's looking is who you really are... $.02
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Post by Trogon on Dec 6, 2016 17:37:52 GMT -5
At the end of the day who you are when no one's looking is who you really are... $.02 I completely agree and I respect your desire to play honorably. I try to do the same. I guess we'll just have to disagree on whether certain actions in this game are honorable or not. I hope I get a chance to squad with you someday. |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 6, 2016 18:38:19 GMT -5
I get it. I still believe it's selfish, and that's not who I want to be. It's totally selfish... but sometimes it's ok to be selfish, if for nothing else but your own sanity. We can all justify our actions or inaction but lets suffice it to say, you do what suits your own convictions and values. I think it takes 「dookie」ty people to run a full gepard hangar and/or squad against clearly much weaker opponents that are real people, by design. That's part of the reason I drop out of those games. I also think it's 「dookie」ty for people to go onto the test server and run hangars full of Lance's or Furies consistently, instead of trying out the new bots, or to exploit know bugs or glitches intentionally. But others would say, "hey, the game allows it" to all of these scenarios. |
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Post by moody on Dec 6, 2016 19:08:24 GMT -5
One thing I learned early on (table top wargames). It is ok to lose and it can be fun to lose.
5 on 6 or even 4 on 6 battles can be a real challenge, and that one in ten times that you pull it off and win are even better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 20:57:03 GMT -5
I play what is put before me. I can get frustrated as hell by the antics of my teammates, but to quit just after the game starts because you don't like what you see is certain doom for the other blues. You never know what will happen during the match - I've had what looked to be easy wins collapse because of player loss / stupidity... and I've had near-impossible situations overcome by unexpectedly good play by my allies.
Yes, facing mag Geps in rookie tier is demoralizing. And, yes, some Gepard guys are truly sh*ts. But most of the Gepard issue is actually from Pix's own design decisions. They choose not to have a robust matchmaker and they choose not to nerf the Gep. I find it hard to fault other players for making use of the most effective weapon/bot combos available.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 6, 2016 21:23:20 GMT -5
I also think it's ?poo-poo?ty for people to go onto the test server and run hangars full of Lance's or Furies consistently, instead of trying out the new bots, or to exploit know bugs or glitches intentionally. But others would say, "hey, the game allows it" to all of these scenarios. least this gives you a chance to test the bots in a real competitive max tier scenario. |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 6, 2016 21:29:47 GMT -5
I also think it's ?poo-poo?ty for people to go onto the test server and run hangars full of Lance's or Furies consistently, instead of trying out the new bots, or to exploit know bugs or glitches intentionally. But others would say, "hey, the game allows it" to all of these scenarios. least this gives you a chance to test the bots in a real competitive max tier scenario. I mean, sure, that's all well and good. I get it, have fun. At least run one prototype, though. If I were a developer, I'd flip my 「dookie」 if someone played with -0- prototypes. I'd ban them. Not just from the test server but from heaven and earth and the firmament beyond. We need actual data people! Or... Just make it so that every hangar must field at least one prototype. That's pretty simple programming logic. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 6, 2016 21:36:36 GMT -5
least this gives you a chance to test the bots in a real competitive max tier scenario. I mean, sure, that's all well and good. I get it, have fun. At least run one prototype, though. If I were a developer, I'd flip my ?poo-poo? if someone played with -0- prototypes. I'd ban them. Not just from the test server but from heaven and earth and the firmament beyond. We need actual data people! Or... Just make it so that every hangar must field at least one prototype. That's pretty simple programming logic. it is a test server for players to experience what bots and setups that they don't have are like too  . I know that the vets probably only use it to test new stuff, but everyone's different. |
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Post by 88generalblue on Dec 6, 2016 21:41:48 GMT -5
I'll typically play down til my last bot, with few exceptions because sometimes what looks like a "sure defeat" turns into a totally AWESOME win. whether its because somebody dropped out early on, your team bar is half the reds, or a mag gep just destroyed your favorite robot early on, many games are still very winnable
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 6, 2016 21:45:00 GMT -5
I'll typically play down til my last bot, with few exceptions because sometimes what looks like a "sure defeat" turns into a totally AWESOME win. whether its because somebody dropped out early on, your team bar is half the reds, or a mag gep just destroyed your favorite robot early on, many games are still very winnable I'll typically play it out, as well. I have no problem losing a well fought match. It's just clubbers I hate. |
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Post by 88generalblue on Dec 7, 2016 3:18:25 GMT -5
It's tough when someone walks away with the match because they have 5 mag geps, b but it is fair by Pixonic rules and besides there are ways to beat them. Usually seal clubbers are loners, so if you work with somebody else and flank them, they don't have enough health to do anything before they go down. Lvl 2-3 geps can't eat a single Salvo of pinatas
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 7, 2016 3:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by 88generalblue on Dec 7, 2016 3:24:07 GMT -5
content://media/external/file/40166 I hope this picture posts! bad luck I have no clue how to post a picture on this website  is it possible on an Android phone? |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 7, 2016 3:27:26 GMT -5
I have no clue how to post a picture on this website is it possible on an Android phone? Can't help ya there, sorry. Im on IOS :s |
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 7, 2016 21:54:48 GMT -5
Leaving a game early (after the game starts) is perhaps the most selfish thing you can do in the game. You've essentially guaranteed the other team a win, and you've ruined 5 other player's games (some would say 11, because the other team's likely to win in a walk). So you're wasting 10 people's time why- because you don't like to lose? IMHO how you play the game is far more important that winning or losing. It's a mindset- there is honor in going down swinging even if you're doomed. It'll make you a better player, and just occasionally you'll surprise yourself. Or you can be one of those guys that's ruining the game. I'm going to drop every last bot even when it looks hopeless. And in many of my best matches I guarantee my teammates felt hopelessly outmatched with weak teammates and far stronger bots on the other side. The fact that they stuck it out made the difference between a great game and a terrible one in the end. I thank guys who don't quit. I have zero patience or respect for guys that do. Agreed. I only leave a game early when my teammates start with SM Noricum/Zenit, coz any sensible player will not start the game with this setup. And more importantly, as we move up tiers and level up the weapon/bots, silver is always insufficient. So instead of winning for gold-farming, I focus more on dealing damages to farm silver. Facing tough opponents, esp tri-mag Gep clubbers, definitely feels bad but can be excellent training. You never learn if you simply avoid the hardtimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 8:47:58 GMT -5
Leaving a game early (after the game starts) is perhaps the most selfish thing you can do in the game. You've essentially guaranteed the other team a win, and you've ruined 5 other player's games (some would say 11, because the other team's likely to win in a walk). So you're wasting 10 people's time why- because you don't like to lose?
I could say *exactly* the same for clans/squads fielding 4-6 maxed hangars with team communications (or at least coordination) vs randoms.
I get that clan-vs-clan is both fun and fair but tbh I drop a lot of the games where I see a red VOX/CH/Barbs/SDS/CosaNostra-squad pitted against a collection of blue random Noricum Natashas...
(btw, don't take this the wrong way, I am a huge fan of the excellent advice you write here and on the wiki).
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Post by zeus on Dec 12, 2016 9:26:59 GMT -5
Leaving a game early (after the game starts) is perhaps the most selfish thing you can do in the game. You've essentially guaranteed the other team a win, and you've ruined 5 other player's games (some would say 11, because the other team's likely to win in a walk). So you're wasting 10 people's time why- because you don't like to lose?
I could say *exactly* the same for clans/squads fielding 4-6 maxed hangars with team communications (or at least coordination) vs randoms.
I get that clan-vs-clan is both fun and fair but tbh I drop a lot of the games where I see a red VOX/CH/Barbs/SDS/CosaNostra-squad pitted against a collection of blue random Noricum Natashas...
(btw, don't take this the wrong way, I am a huge fan of the excellent advice you write here and on the wiki).
Not as if those zenit noricom bots deserve any wins. I wish they would implement squad queues so squads can duke it out with another, I have won silver games against large squads, but I lose most of them since coordination is way more important than the odd rag tag team of 2 good players and 4 noobs that you inevitably get in a silver game. Not even half time and they would either be in their far range bots doing 「dookie」 or already mech out. |
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is it possible on an Android phone?