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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Jan 7, 2020 6:37:45 GMT -5
Hi all, I won a Freedom Igniter (currently lvl 4) in the snowball on my lvl 27 smurf. It is sat on my lvl 6 Mender along with Gust (7) and Punisher(7). I am in D3/G1 league. I love the psychological effect it has on the reds - even if it is mainly hot air damage at this level. I am not about to pour $$$ of RM into the game and so Ag has to be carefully controlled. Is it worth committing to get the igniter up in terms of return on Ag? I have ZERO fancy weapons - only simple bullets and shottys - so the Mender's alternative would be a PunT I've checked out KomodoPie's Damage spreadsheet (stickied above - GREAT resource!), but Igniter stats not in this. Should I commit to the Igniter, go PunT, or dedicate WSP to a Corona (this would take about 50 days build). Rest of hanger is silver stuff - Leo, Griff, oh, and the Ghost Rog (love that ride!). tia for any suggestions.
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Post by Phycoshot on Jan 7, 2020 8:38:11 GMT -5
The igniter is a really strong weapon, you just have to (like any flamethrower) learn to lead the flames to your enemy. They deal close to ember damage even though they are medium weapons. I really like them and the pink flame is great too!
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Jan 7, 2020 8:51:12 GMT -5
Hi all, I won a Freedom Igniter (currently lvl 4) in the snowball on my lvl 27 smurf. It is sat on my lvl 6 Mender along with Gust (7) and Punisher(7). I am in D3/G1 league. I love the psychological effect it has on the reds - even if it is mainly hot air damage at this level. I am not about to pour $$$ of RM into the game and so Ag has to be carefully controlled. Is it worth committing to get the igniter up in terms of return on Ag? I have ZERO fancy weapons - only simple bullets and shottys - so the Mender's alternative would be a PunT I've checked out KomodoPie's Damage spreadsheet (stickied above - GREAT resource!), but Igniter stats not in this. Should I commit to the Igniter, go PunT, or dedicate WSP to a Corona (this would take about 50 days build). Rest of hanger is silver stuff - Leo, Griff, oh, and the Ghost Rog (love that ride!). tia for any suggestions. Very strong weapon, especially point blank where most flames hit. Your Ghost Rog would defo appreciate another igniter Check it out war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/37166/ghostflame-incarnationOh, just in case you're searching for stats, and wasn't aware of wiki warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Igniter
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Post by BB on Jan 7, 2020 8:52:15 GMT -5
Since you’re a Rog fan I will give you some time ?. My 2 igniters are almost full MK2 and I use em on Cossacks or Rogs in Masters 1 and low champ and have a blast learning to jump curve. They are dynamic weaps for sure....But if you’re not gonna level them past 10 I would commit to something cheaper because they are pricey.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 7, 2020 9:06:59 GMT -5
If you love the flamer weapons then it's worth leveling up. Some folks (me mostly) just can't get the hang of them. I have 2 Embers at L9 and 3 Blazes at L8 and I just won the Freedom Igniter. I have no intention of leveling it up.
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Post by Desc440 on Jan 7, 2020 13:49:28 GMT -5
If you love the flamer weapons then it's worth leveling up. Some folks (me mostly) just can't get the hang of them. Same. I have 2 Blazes and 1 Igniter at lvl 5-6 and no intention of leveling them further. I even have a second Igniter 60% finished in WS and not even bothering to complete it.
To OP: get to building bots in WS ASAP! Silver weapons can work fine on meta bots, but meta weapons on silver bots will have a really hard time once you reach the higher leagues.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 7, 2020 15:33:17 GMT -5
If you love the flamer weapons then it's worth leveling up. Some folks (me mostly) just can't get the hang of them. Same. I have 2 Blazes and 1 Igniter at lvl 5-6 and no intention of leveling them further. I even have a second Igniter 60% finished in WS and not even bothering to complete it.
To OP: get to building bots in WS ASAP! Silver weapons can work fine on meta bots, but meta weapons on silver bots will have a really hard time once you reach the higher leagues.
Ironically, I just won another Freedom Igniter! Ugh...
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Post by milty72 on Jan 7, 2020 16:01:26 GMT -5
I like all the burny weapons but I like them on slow bots. I find it helps with my aiming and the flame doesn't waver around so fast.
Also if you use Lockdown Ammo with them or pair them with a root weapon I find them more effective.
I like Ember/Corona Boa. Ember/Blaze/Corona Golem. They're the ones I've used the most. I'm experimenting with other builds in the up coming months.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Jan 7, 2020 16:17:09 GMT -5
Same. I have 2 Blazes and 1 Igniter at lvl 5-6 and no intention of leveling them further. I even have a second Igniter 60% finished in WS and not even bothering to complete it.
To OP: get to building bots in WS ASAP! Silver weapons can work fine on meta bots, but meta weapons on silver bots will have a really hard time once you reach the higher leagues.
Ironically, I just won another Freedom Igniter! Ugh... Oh man, built a hell Raven
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jan 7, 2020 16:35:17 GMT -5
I strongly suggest that you wait to level it, download the next test server, and try the Igniter build that you are currently capable of running on your account.
You can run an ideal build to get some future perspective, but to get an immediate feel for whether or not your current load out ability will be fun or effective, you should mainly make that in the test server and run it a bunch. Then you will know if it is something you like.
I am in intense Champions League battles all the time and friends of mine swear by the Igniter Halo build on Phantom, and even though I dig the Igniter on other mechs, I didn’t like it on Phantom, but I did enjoy it on Mender. I explored the Mender loaded in various ways with Igniter:
- Igniter Blaze - Igniter Halo - Igniter Gust - Igniter Magnum
All of them were fun; Igniter Halo was the most optimal due to lock down. When running any flame builds, lock down weapon assist or lock down ammo module are very helpful in making the target stand still while you barbecue them.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Jan 8, 2020 2:03:58 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the insightful thoughts. I have much to work on as a result!
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Post by Desc440 on Jan 8, 2020 6:40:38 GMT -5
Quick note: I tried Igniter/Halo on my Invader last night, and lockdown DEFINITELY helps.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 8, 2020 7:31:02 GMT -5
Ironically, I just won another Freedom Igniter! Ugh... Oh man, built a hell Raven It would be hell for me cause I won't be able to hit anything with it!
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Jan 8, 2020 7:44:00 GMT -5
Oh man, built a hell Raven It would be hell for me cause I won't be able to hit anything with it! Oh cmon, it's not like you're targeting mosquitoes.... It's freaking skyscraper size robots! And besides, Lockdown Ammo is just 20pc a pop. Just do it! Nike
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 8, 2020 7:55:57 GMT -5
It's the leading of targets while I'm making evasive maneuvers that gets me. Granted, I've mostly only tried the flamer weapons on fast'ish bots cause that's what I mostly run so it's difficult for me to keep the flames on target. I did have some success with Mercury with Ember/Blaze and this is a build I will likely revisit once I can dedicate some resources to upgrading the Blazes and Ember more. As for the Igniters, well, I just don't see a use for them yet, especially since I have a ton of other stuff waiting to be upgraded. If I get a 3rd one this event, then that's a sign that I should try it on my Ao Guang (that I recently changed to Leadhose). I did alright with Ao Jun and Embers (but prefer Avengers and Vipers), so Igniters on the AG should work.
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Post by hooliganjrs on Jan 8, 2020 8:36:17 GMT -5
I ran a Fenrir with L9 ember and igniters for a bit and while a fun and effective load out for brawling it was a green crack adder for me having to use Lockdown Ammo to really get solid damage as I just couldn't get used to tracking all the fast bots out there nowadays. Against slower bots, it was devastating. For me the reward didn't match the cost of leveling so I stopped and switched to a scourge/calamity build for my Fen.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Jan 8, 2020 10:31:30 GMT -5
It's the leading of targets while I'm making evasive maneuvers that gets me. Granted, I've mostly only tried the flamer weapons on fast'ish bots cause that's what I mostly run so it's difficult for me to keep the flames on target. I did have some success with Mercury with Ember/Blaze and this is a build I will likely revisit once I can dedicate some resources to upgrading the Blazes and Ember more. As for the Igniters, well, I just don't see a use for them yet, especially since I have a ton of other stuff waiting to be upgraded. If I get a 3rd one this event, then that's a sign that I should try it on my Ao Guang (that I recently changed to Leadhose). I did alright with Ao Jun and Embers (but prefer Avengers and Vipers), so Igniters on the AG should work. Leadhose AG, my second favourite setup, so underestimated, I love it
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Post by Desc440 on Jan 8, 2020 11:02:33 GMT -5
It's the leading of targets while I'm making evasive maneuvers that gets me. Granted, I've mostly only tried the flamer weapons on fast'ish bots cause that's what I mostly run so it's difficult for me to keep the flames on target. I did have some success with Mercury with Ember/Blaze and this is a build I will likely revisit once I can dedicate some resources to upgrading the Blazes and Ember more. As for the Igniters, well, I just don't see a use for them yet, especially since I have a ton of other stuff waiting to be upgraded. If I get a 3rd one this event, then that's a sign that I should try it on my Ao Guang (that I recently changed to Leadhose). I did alright with Ao Jun and Embers (but prefer Avengers and Vipers), so Igniters on the AG should work. Leadhose AG, my second favourite setup, so underestimated, I love it Leadhose setups are just massively underestimated in general. It's crazy how cost-effective they are. I have 2 Mk2 Pun Ts and have 2 more at lvl 10, and they rip. Leadhose Leech is just evil.
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Post by aaronc on Jan 9, 2020 4:21:09 GMT -5
I’m currently using a Glacier, igniter Lance with ghost and road hog. Not the fastest bot but pretty good. I have no trouble dealing damage with it. I try to not start firing until Im with the 300m to get the freeze effect of slowing the enemy down and boosting the igniter damage. Ran if mostly with shield breaker and it kills Ares so quick its not funny. Unless of course they have last stand. Switched recently to Quantum Radar because sooo many Ao Jun. Glacieer 10, Igniters 9 in Masters 1 pushing into champs.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 9, 2020 7:42:37 GMT -5
Leadhose AG, my second favourite setup, so underestimated, I love it Leadhose setups are just massively underestimated in general. It's crazy how cost-effective they are. I have 2 Mk2 Pun Ts and have 2 more at lvl 10, and they rip. Leadhose Leech is just evil. So, I caught an Ember Ao Jun making a bad landing and I must have got him as his Embers ran out. He had well over half HP but I was amazed at how fast 3 L10 Pun Ts on my Ao Guang melted him. That 3rd Pun T is new too. I recently bought it from the store for 30k (after selling like 8 of them ) and it didn't cost that much to speed level it to L10. I think Lockdown Ammo has really helped the Leadhose setups a lot. I used to hate this build cause I couldn't deal enough damage before my target got to cover. But now, with Lockdown Ammo, I have a captive audience and on the AG, I can sit back around 400-500m, root, and hit with both bullets and missiles for double the pleasure. But, the Leech...can you give some more experience info? I tried Storms for a while on my Leech, but beyond the fast reload, I didn't like it that much. On the occasions where I managed to get under 100m unnoticed, the Storms rocked, even though they're only L8 with Sharpshooter. Because my Leech is L9, I have to play it further back and right now, Scourges are doing the job nicely. But, if Pun Ts can do better/easier, then I might consider it.
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Post by Desc440 on Jan 9, 2020 9:20:14 GMT -5
But, the Leech...can you give some more experience info? I tried Storms for a while on my Leech, but beyond the fast reload, I didn't like it that much. On the occasions where I managed to get under 100m unnoticed, the Storms rocked, even though they're only L8 with Sharpshooter. Because my Leech is L9, I have to play it further back and right now, Scourges are doing the job nicely. But, if Pun Ts can do better/easier, then I might consider it. I can't say I have A TON of experience with it, but what I like about it (beyond the cheapness + upgrade speed) is that it allows me to stay out of knife-fighting range while still pumping out mean damage. You can far more easily stay near cover to duck out once your ability runs out. And because you are not in the immediate vicinity of reds, your opportunities to provide support without the ability being active is much greater. In addition, since Phase Shift is less of a must-have, you could run Lockdown Ammo instead if you were so inclined.
I am not sure how the comparison between Scourges and PunTs would go, but I would definitely at least try Leadhose for yourself.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 9, 2020 10:47:40 GMT -5
Here's some good videos:
My take on these is that Scourge out damages Punisher at all ranges (though that segment with only one weapon was weird and interesting) and Igniter outdamages both at all ranges 350m and under. But, the Punisher T is cheaper and easier to use in many situations. I might consider this for the Leech and switch my AG back to Scourges.
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Post by Desc440 on Jan 9, 2020 13:50:33 GMT -5
I might consider this for the Leech and switch my AG back to Scourges. That makes sense.
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Post by snk on Jan 10, 2020 21:42:46 GMT -5
Got Igniter on my Phantom, hit very hard, but also very hard to hit a fast bot, especially at 300m+.
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Post by RIP_HARAMBE on Jan 11, 2020 6:51:19 GMT -5
My take on these is that Scourge out damages Punisher at all ranges (though that segment with only one weapon was weird and interesting) and Igniter outdamages both at all ranges 350m and under. But, the Punisher T is cheaper and easier to use in many situations. I might consider this for the Leech and switch my AG back to Scourges. I've been running PunT / Igniter on my Leech with good results. Sharpshooter skill so I had been full leadhose but I find I go Leroy Jenkins often enough in Leech that the sweeping fire of Igniters is a good match. Good info there on medium weapons, just swapped Scourge for PunT in my Tyr but looking to go full flamer on him once I get the full set to lvl10.
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Post by WattTron on Jan 11, 2020 8:27:39 GMT -5
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