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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 11, 2019 22:03:42 GMT -5
Assemble one and all, to give honour due to the High Flying Ace, Mistress of Aerial Combat, the Once and Future Ever-Victorious Queen of the Skies. Long May She Reign!
(CHORUS: Long May She Reign!)
In this thread of Holy Writ, we shall here discuss Her glories, and offer praise to Her everlasting greatness.
Here shall we regale one another with tales of Her wondrous exploits, Her dazzling victories, and the devastation She causes even in defeat.
Here shall we debate upon choices in equipment and training (while acknowledging the reality of the One True Hover).
And here shall we, as is ever our sworn duty, defend Her sacred honour from those who would impugn Her worthines upon (and, indeed, above) the fields where the most accomplished of Commanders do battle.
So come, faithful subjects of Her Highest of Highness, share your words of Praise and Wisdom for...
...the Great and Glorious Hover.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 11, 2019 22:31:24 GMT -5
Manni did a video on it recently a nice change from the norm, hover is nothing to scoff at even though I don't run one myself.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 12, 2019 8:59:12 GMT -5
My 3 fave builds are as follows: Taser (Scourge/Spark), Slingshot (Vortex/Aphid) and Pulse laser (Pulsar/Marquess).
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Post by ursamajor1108 on Nov 12, 2019 10:17:21 GMT -5
How about a punisher build?....With a shredder as a light weapon and both SS skills for the punishers...
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Post by titando on Nov 12, 2019 10:49:10 GMT -5
I just sold my hover to upgrade other stuff. It was a sad day.  |
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Post by Joopiter on Nov 12, 2019 12:44:51 GMT -5
Scourge/Spark is the king of hover builds and still effective. Folks forget how much hp a hover has.
And I see folks with prolonged gliding through the air and just shake my head. The idea is to play it as a fast ground based bot and use the hover for positioning and escape.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 12, 2019 14:45:40 GMT -5
"Skilled Hover pilot is Avenging Angel of Death.
Unskilled Hover Pilot is Operation Turkey Shoot"
--Me
I run Pulsar/Marquess on mine, and play it in the lead-off spot. Cap 1-2 beacons, then harass from the edges of the battle.
I'm not a big fan of the High Ground...never liked static firing locations, although I might be more inclined to it with Scourge/Spark...those weapons love to arch over the edge of the platform you're standing on to fire from cover.
Fighting from the edge of the battlefield works well...I can use ability to reposition quickly without being picked off instantly by the entire Red team. Invulnerable Raider plus Battle Born allow me to go toe-to-toe with almost anything, and cap a deep beacon or provide a major distraction. My Hover LOVES Canyon.
Memorable encounter: pushing for Reds corner beacon on Valley, being caught in the open by a pair of AJs just as they lifted off. They got me, but I lasted until after they both hit the ground. Capped the beacon while I was at it.
If I ever kick Ember/Scourge Inquusitor out of my lineup, I might try Scourge/Spark, but for now I'm loving the Pulsars. For the record, Marquess works much better than Shredder on this build, although I'm planning to level up a Sting for when they eventually get their long overdue buff.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 12, 2019 15:01:15 GMT -5
kamikazejohnson Keep building Pulsars! I was sad to let my Pulsar/Marquess Hover go, but when I got my 3rd Pulsar, it didn't make sense to put that Pulsar by itself on another bot, so I "graduated" to Pulsar Ao Guang. That was fun but not as mobile as the Hover. It plays a similar role - harass from edges - but has hitting rooted targets with built in missiles = good fun. I now run a quad Pulsar Spectre and it runs very similarly to the Pulsar/Marquess Hover. It's not quite as fast on the ground as the Hover, but Road Hog will take care of that. I use the Descend to escape or to finish off a crippled target. 4 Pulsars can dish out a world of hurt in a very short amount of time. I'm always amazed at how fast I can strip HP off non tanky bots. Without doing the math, I'd say its comparable to my Dragoon Falcon. Definitely try the Taser Hover one day. It's a mean brawler and it's especially good at taking out Striders and other beacon capping types of bots. I do have trouble with Gareths, but thankfully there aren't that many in M1/Low Champs.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 12, 2019 15:07:22 GMT -5
Still a terrible bot, unless it's purely for fun.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 12, 2019 15:29:18 GMT -5
Still a terrible bot, unless it's purely for fun. Spotted the non-believer  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 15:49:01 GMT -5
How about a punisher build?....With a shredder as a light weapon and both SS skills for the punishers... Mediocre to bad, there are better builds. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 15:49:54 GMT -5
Scourge/Spark is the king of hover builds and still effective. Folks forget how much hp a hover has. And I see folks with prolonged gliding through the air and just shake my head. The idea is to play it as a fast ground based bot and use the hover for positioning and escape. kaboom...exactly right |
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 13, 2019 8:08:39 GMT -5
How about a punisher build?....With a shredder as a light weapon and both SS skills for the punishers... It can work in the lower leagues but it's quickly outclassed. Not sure why the Leadhose setup works on Griffin and Raven and not the Hover. You'd think that extra Punisher wouldn't make such a big difference, but it does. When I ran this build, I had so many targets get away with just a sliver of health left that it was frustrating. I never tried with Shredder on top, but that would improve this build somewhat. The only real good thing about this build would be the range. But, remember that anything above 350m would be harassing and not really doing much damage. Taran/Magnum or Shredder would be a better option. The thing with today's meta with respect to the Hover is that you either want to do a bunch of damage with little to no exposure, or do a ton of damage and hope you outdamage your opponent. Actually, that makes sense for just about every bot out there. Anyway, that's why my two top builds are Taser and Slingshot. Taser is a true 3D brawler and is helluva fun to play. The Slingshot is the sucker puncher. Again, it doesn't do as much damage as a Raven or Griffen - that extra Aphid does make a difference - but 2 Vortex and 1 Aphid can do enough to distract reds and finish off cripples or do a ton of instant damage to light bots that are dumb enough to hide behind low cover. I can't single shot kill a health Ares like I can with my Vortex Spectre, but I can hold my own in a team brawl. |
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Post by RightOn on Nov 13, 2019 11:28:13 GMT -5
Manni did a video on it recently a nice change from the norm, hover is nothing to scoff at even though I don't run one myself. I've gotta see this. I just know he's gonna goober this one lol Hmm he did decently but I still would have flown more, you can tell he doesn't always run Hover, but his general skills showed. I did like the shredder tossed in the scourge build. |
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Post by RightOn on Nov 13, 2019 11:51:41 GMT -5
How about a punisher build?....With a shredder as a light weapon and both SS skills for the punishers... It can work in the lower leagues but it's quickly outclassed. Not sure why the Leadhose setup works on Griffin and Raven and not the Hover. You'd think that extra Punisher wouldn't make such a big difference, but it does. When I ran this build, I had so many targets get away with just a sliver of health left that it was frustrating. I never tried with Shredder on top, but that would improve this build somewhat. The only real good thing about this build would be the range. But, remember that anything above 350m would be harassing and not really doing much damage. Taran/Magnum or Shredder would be a better option. The thing with today's meta with respect to the Hover is that you either want to do a bunch of damage with little to no exposure, or do a ton of damage and hope you outdamage your opponent. Actually, that makes sense for just about every bot out there. Anyway, that's why my two top builds are Taser and Slingshot. Taser is a true 3D brawler and is helluva fun to play. The Slingshot is the sucker puncher. Again, it doesn't do as much damage as a Raven or Griffen - that extra Aphid does make a difference - but 2 Vortex and 1 Aphid can do enough to distract reds and finish off cripples or do a ton of instant damage to light bots that are dumb enough to hide behind low cover. I can't single shot kill a health Ares like I can with my Vortex Spectre, but I can hold my own in a team brawl. I always open Moon with Aphex Hover and I nearly always shutdown the entire team with it. I'll tap one red and move on to the next until they're all wishing they knew how to catch me. The only place to hide is under the roof and that's a mayhem zone. If red can't control center, I'll be flying from one end of the map to the other, and reds will be ducking for cover. I'll troll the Ao Jun's just by baiting them and hightailing wasting their time even further lol, then smack them when they drop, which you can do twice. I like to get on the buildings in shenzen and do the same thing with impunity. Or the fortress on valley. Or down below the ravine in castle (lmao when somebody gets aphex'd from the river). Or just flying over the entire roof of dreadnought and contesting beacons. There's too many places, then again there are maps I won't bring it |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:10:18 GMT -5
Manni did a video on it recently a nice change from the norm, hover is nothing to scoff at even though I don't run one myself. I've gotta see this. I just know he's gonna goober this one lol Hmm he did decently but I still would have flown more, you can tell he doesn't always run Hover, but his general skills showed. I did like the shredder tossed in the scourge build. 「fluffernutter」 i might have to watch this spaz bucket |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 13, 2019 17:16:09 GMT -5
I've gotta see this. I just know he's gonna goober this one lol Hmm he did decently but I still would have flown more, you can tell he doesn't always run Hover, but his general skills showed. I did like the shredder tossed in the scourge build. ?fluffernutter? i might have to watch this spaz bucket He did a video with Pulsar/Marques. Does n00b jumps across the ravine on Castle and somehow doesn't get shot at. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:20:54 GMT -5
How about a punisher build?....With a shredder as a light weapon and both SS skills for the punishers... It can work in the lower leagues but it's quickly outclassed. Not sure why the Leadhose setup works on Griffin and Raven and not the Hover. You'd think that extra Punisher wouldn't make such a big difference, but it does. When I ran this build, I had so many targets get away with just a sliver of health left that it was frustrating. I never tried with Shredder on top, but that would improve this build somewhat. The only real good thing about this build would be the range. But, remember that anything above 350m would be harassing and not really doing much damage. Taran/Magnum or Shredder would be a better option. The thing with today's meta with respect to the Hover is that you either want to do a bunch of damage with little to no exposure, or do a ton of damage and hope you outdamage your opponent. Actually, that makes sense for just about every bot out there. Anyway, that's why my two top builds are Taser and Slingshot. Taser is a true 3D brawler and is helluva fun to play. The Slingshot is the sucker puncher. Again, it doesn't do as much damage as a Raven or Griffen - that extra Aphid does make a difference - but 2 Vortex and 1 Aphid can do enough to distract reds and finish off cripples or do a ton of instant damage to light bots that are dumb enough to hide behind low cover. I can't single shot kill a health Ares like I can with my Vortex Spectre, but I can hold my own in a team brawl. most pilots dont think 3D thats why hover is strong. I killed 2 leeches today from same whale. Ive been flying 1.5 year so been thinking in 3d. You just get better the more you fly. I discover the bunny hop. And more. Alot of new pilots are looking for a fun and strong bot that wont go obsolete. Smtg to shart on pixos wee wee tactics. So whales better get ready for more skilled pilots. The skill ceiling will go higher |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:31:09 GMT -5
?fluffernutter? i might have to watch this spaz bucket He did a video with Pulsar/Marques. Does n00b jumps across the ravine on Castle and somehow doesn't get shot at. there is a lot of very specific hover skillset so general skill will only take you so far. Ok like 「fluffernutter」ing what you ask? Hiiting lokis and Ao Jun in stealth. Using environment. Flying and fighting. Landing and hitting those spots, lots of times while fighting. Like hang on edge of colliseum for protection. Hit the ground wo trigger landing lag |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 15, 2019 18:36:04 GMT -5
Hover Builds, Ranked
1) "Taser" Scourge/Spark
Probably the best overall build. Good firepower at any range out to 600m, Auti-aim helps a lot while in flight. The weapons have a tendence to arch over cover, allowing the Bot to make great use of thd coveted High Ground. Lock-on time can be annoying, but reduce by 50% with applicable Pilot Skill for best results.
2) Pulsar, may be reasonably supported by Marques (recommended, IMHO), Shredder, Sting.
600m range is fantastic for an agile Bot like Hover, and no slouch in close either.
3) "Aphex" Vortex/Aphid. Drops bombs like nothing else. Take the high ground and go nuts. Vortex Spectres that try to challenge you for position will be vapourized.
4) "Plasma Death Button (PDB)" Taran/Magnum
Even after the Taran nerf, it still hits hard. Use your mobility to drop in and destroy
5) "Frost Death Button (FDB)" Cryo/Rime or "Death Button (DB)" Orkan/Pinata or a mix of the two.
Similar in use to PDB, but with shorter range, higher burst DPS, but overall lower DPM. Use with caution.
6) Storm/Gust or Corona/Halo or a mix.
Brutally high damage inside 200m, but you need to get in really close to be effective
7)"Russian Death Button (RDB)" Tulumbas/Pin
Low overall damage, generally a disappointing build.
8) "Leadhose" Punisher T/Punisher
Long discharge/slow reload does not suit Hover all that well.
9) "Gunboat" Molot T/Molot
See above. 800m range is nice, but Molots are generally just too weak.
10) Sting/Wasp
Corrosion weapons need a serious buff. The quick discharge firing style also doesn't really jive well with Hover's movement.
11) Ballista/Arbalest
Great range. Crappy damage. If you spec the Hover 100% to maximize damage, this *might* be worthwhile, but I doubt it.
12) Hydra/Spiral.
Just don't. Seriously. Don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 20:36:22 GMT -5
?fluffernutter? i might have to watch this spaz bucket He did a video with Pulsar/Marques. Does n00b jumps across the ravine on Castle and somehow doesn't get shot at. Yea he played it like a total noob. Don’t watch the video. Nothing that showcases any of Hover’s skill ceiling. Plays a camper setup aka don’t hurt me. Lol at the 300k hp and mechanic skill. Look at my thread on High Ground is OP. I listed bunch of skills that make Hover a strong bot. There are other feats that make a Hover pilot good. Tickle your feet, bunny hop, and hitting Lokis and Ao Jun in the air. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 15, 2019 21:02:26 GMT -5
He did a video with Pulsar/Marques. Does n00b jumps across the ravine on Castle and somehow doesn't get shot at. Yea he played it like a total noob. Donât watch the video. Nothing that showcases any of Hoverâs skill ceiling. Plays a camper setup aka donât hurt me. Lol at the 300k hp and mechanic skill. Look at my thread on High Ground is OP. I listed bunch of skills that make Hover a strong bot. There are other feats that make a Hover pilot good. Tickle your feet, bunny hop, and hitting Lokis and Ao Jun in the air. That's one of the beautiful things about Hover...so many ways to play it, the Reds never know what to expect. I built my Hover to be tankeriffic...300k HP when Boosted, Mechanic, Advanced Repair Module, Invulnerable Raider, Battle Born. I see an Ares with Purple up, I jump in on him. Love the Oh 「dookie」 moment when he realizes he needs to run...and he's locked down. Still working on my flight-based skills, but getting better. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 21:21:48 GMT -5
He did a video with Pulsar/Marques. Does n00b jumps across the ravine on Castle and somehow doesn't get shot at. Yea he played it like a total noob. Don’t watch the video. Nothing that showcases any of Hover’s skill ceiling. Plays a camper setup aka don’t hurt me. Lol at the 300k hp and mechanic skill. Look at my thread on High Ground is OP. I listed bunch of skills that make Hover a strong bot. There are other feats that make a Hover pilot good. Tickle your feet, bunny hop, and hitting Lokis and Ao Jun in the air.
seriously, talk is only believable until your about 6 or 7 years old. if you play a good hover against strong competitors, great, but prove it i heard a few doubters on these boards over a year ago, and I silenced them if you have hover skills, awesome! But prove it! |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 16, 2019 15:36:43 GMT -5
Hover Builds, Ranked 1) "Taser" Scourge/Spark Probably the best overall build. Good firepower at any range out to 600m, Auti-aim helps a lot while in flight. The weapons have a tendence to arch over cover, allowing the Bot to make great use of thd coveted High Ground. Lock-on time can be annoying, but reduce by 50% with applicable Pilot Skill for best results. 2) Pulsar, may be reasonably supported by Marques (recommended, IMHO), Shredder, Sting. 600m range is fantastic for an agile Bot like Hover, and no slouch in close either. 3) "Aphex" Vortex/Aphid. Drops bombs like nothing else. Take the high ground and go nuts. Vortex Spectres that try to challenge you for position will be vapourized. 4) "Plasma Death Button (PDB)" Taran/Magnum Even after the Taran nerf, it still hits hard. Use your mobility to drop in and destroy 5) "Frost Death Button (FDB)" Cryo/Rime or "Death Button (DB)" Orkan/Pinata or a mix of the two. Similar in use to PDB, but with shorter range, higher burst DPS, but overall lower DPM. Use with caution. 6) Storm/Gust or Corona/Halo or a mix. Brutally high damage inside 200m, but you need to get in really close to be effective 7)"Russian Death Button (RDB)" Tulumbas/Pin Low overall damage, generally a disappointing build. 8) "Leadhose" Punisher T/Punisher Long discharge/slow reload does not suit Hover all that well. 9) "Gunboat" Molot T/Molot See above. 800m range is nice, but Molots are generally just too weak. 10) Sting/Wasp Corrosion weapons need a serious buff. The quick discharge firing style also doesn't really jive well with Hover's movement. 11) Ballista/Arbalest Great range. Crappy damage. If you spec the Hover 100% to maximize damage, this *might* be worthwhile, but I doubt it. 12) Hydra/Spiral. Just don't. Seriously. Don't. Anyone have names for 2, 6, 10, 11, or 12? |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 22, 2019 21:06:00 GMT -5
With all the DR flooding the battlefield these days, I decided to swap out the Marquess for a Sting on my Pulsar Hover. Same range, faster reload, and DoT to bypass high DR.
Damage actually seems to work out to about the same DPM, aside from faster initial burst damage from Marquess.
Anyone else try this build?
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Post by zombiecyborg on Nov 23, 2019 0:27:56 GMT -5
I use the taser version and the pilot skill that allow for faster lockon is a great one to have. With all the invisible bots out there, being able to switch to another target is often the difference between a dead hover or a dead red.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Nov 26, 2019 20:01:35 GMT -5
I use the taser version and the pilot skill that allow for faster lockon is a great one to have. With all the invisible bots out there, being able to switch to another target is often the difference between a dead hover or a dead red. Guidance Operator is a great skill, especially not being weapon-specific, unlike Sharpshooter. Definitely a must-have on a Taser build. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:01:42 GMT -5
Ok....how do I do this build? Any wisdom appreciated  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 13:28:10 GMT -5
Ok....how do I do this build? Any wisdom appreciated Bombs are very limited. Taser is the best, by a margin. |
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