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Post by Robotor Affan on Nov 5, 2019 0:41:40 GMT -5
Use VPN, try to play in different server. I am based in Asia.. where competition among the toughest I believe. When I choose US the competition is more or less the same with Asia
Then I choose Germany.. here I play against mostly EU players. And to my surprise they play with many bots varieties. Not so many whales around and it's so much fun compare to other region. There are not too many Phantom and Leeches around. And they didn't play hide and seek in general. Even with Ares, they come forward advancing to the enemy line. I enjoy a lot playing with these guys.
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Post by alphaomega001 on Nov 5, 2019 1:11:12 GMT -5
Every match is just a flood of these 2 bots. I can deal with Ao Jun or Ares. They have weaknesses. But I'm seriously considering not playing anymore until these 2 bots are fixed. I'm not trying to feel righteous, start a boycott, or seek attention. I just don't think the game is fun anymore with these running around. Is there something I'm missing? Have I missed some secret way to defeat these? Not a rant. Just a discussion about the lack of enjoyment with the current meta. I have them and yes it is boring period.You either run people over in seconds or be run over in seconds .Thats the end of the no skill story.Its worse than hb spawn raids ....Just when you thought a spawn raid couldn’t get any faster. Pix will prove us wrong!!!
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Post by orionpax on Nov 5, 2019 1:49:55 GMT -5
Every match is just a flood of these 2 bots. I can deal with Ao Jun or Ares. They have weaknesses. But I'm seriously considering not playing anymore until these 2 bots are fixed. I'm not trying to feel righteous, start a boycott, or seek attention. I just don't think the game is fun anymore with these running around. Is there something I'm missing? Have I missed some secret way to defeat these? Not a rant. Just a discussion about the lack of enjoyment with the current meta. I have them and yes it is boring period.You either run people over in seconds or be run over in seconds .Thats the end of the no skill story.Its worse than hb spawn raids ....Just when you thought a spawn raid couldn’t get any faster. Pix will prove us wrong!!! . Wait for titans!!!!!? Edit. Phantom is fine. Tough as hell but fine. It’s a fun bot imho. Leech is a different story.
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Post by aaronc on Nov 5, 2019 2:01:06 GMT -5
This morning I had a single game and lost three bots in the space of a minute. Im still having issues with waves of AJs along with the Leech and Phantom. Deleted the shortcut. To be honest I’ll likely reinstall but I’m not just ‘go to’ the game when I have 10 mins spare anymore. I now find it more frustrating than fun.
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Nov 5, 2019 2:02:58 GMT -5
it was the same with the dash bots...and spectre...and Ares...
I don't have an answer to the question "is there something you're missing?", but if the game's not enjoyable maybe it's time to take a little break and come back to it later. I took a week off and played mech wars instead..did wonders for my attitude towards the game.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Nov 5, 2019 3:05:47 GMT -5
Man I gotta hand it to Pixonic, they always manage to come up with fresh ideas of ludicrous magical bots to keep the paying customers happy.
Even the people that pay for these bots have come to expect that their "investment" will probably last 6 months tops before the new toy takes over. Remember when the Spectre nerf hit due to a..... ahem "game re-balancing"? People lost their chit, saying the bot is ruined, the sky is falling, they want a refund blah blah.
Hardly a whimper was heard when the expected Ares nerf finally hit. Now we have to wait for the inevitable "game re-balance" for Ao Jun and then Leech and Phantom.
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Post by integeritis on Nov 5, 2019 4:40:54 GMT -5
Phantom is not a problem, you can damage it. It is not an Ares nor Leech, nor Ao Jun. You don’t need an active module to deal damage to it.
The problem is last stand, phase shift or advanced repair and the skill that recharges active modules.
2 phase shifts = full ability recharge 1 phase shift + 1 last stand = full ability recharge
That’s like having 2 extra lifes on a single bot.
An increase in Phantom’s ability recharge time could leave a short window to shoot at it without his ability on.
But Phantom is not inherently as OP as Leech/Ares/Jun, so it should not be nerfed (yet, or at all).
If PS + Last Stand + Pilot ability don’t get nerfed, every single bot that will be released with close to 10s ability recharge, will be able to cheat death not once, but twice in a row.
Fix this first, and we can revisit Phantom’s or any other bots balance after.
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Post by bravex on Nov 5, 2019 5:03:30 GMT -5
I have them and yes it is boring period.You either run people over in seconds or be run over in seconds .Thats the end of the no skill story.Its worse than hb spawn raids ....Just when you thought a spawn raid couldn’t get any faster. Pix will prove us wrong!!! . Wait for titans!!!!!? Edit. Phantom is fine. Tough as hell but fine. It’s a fun bot imho. Leech is a different story. Phantom is relatively fine. A bot that can instantly teleport away when fired upon would be the subject of many rants except we have Leech which can shoot at you and you can't do a thing about it.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 5, 2019 8:51:03 GMT -5
I’ve been using freeze and lock down weapons on leech (and phantom too) even when I’m targeted with the leech ability. Damage doesn’t kill me and getting stuck makes leech nervous in some cases so it’s a deterrent. Freeze counteracts DR a little bit too.
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Post by non4me on Nov 5, 2019 10:09:07 GMT -5
Every match is just a flood of these 2 bots. I can deal with Ao Jun or Ares. They have weaknesses. But I'm seriously considering not playing anymore until these 2 bots are fixed. I'm not trying to feel righteous, start a boycott, or seek attention. I just don't think the game is fun anymore with these running around. Is there something I'm missing? Have I missed some secret way to defeat these? Not a rant. Just a discussion about the lack of enjoyment with the current meta. Got a phantom after collecting shards over the last couple of months. At level 8 with storm, gust, and halo. It is far from OP at this point. Fun but not there for me as far as a major damage contributor. It is easily locked down and killed; however, there are phantoms that are just ungodly strong. These are ones that are truly maxed but any of the maxed meta are hard to kill. I'm going to stick with it and see how it works at lvl 10 and go from there. But it is a fair and bot that has weakness. What I'd like to see a you tuber produce some vids on how to kill a maxed out leech. All I see them do is advertise how awesome it is fully maxed out. Well what's the strategy for killing it...show some tactics for when you're tagged by the purple ray of death and what weapons work best against it. But I doubt they know and they're not about to bit the hand that feeds them.
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Post by reckless1 on Nov 5, 2019 10:25:04 GMT -5
I've run into some phantoms that are just as bad as any leech. Even with pretty leveled Ares and AJs I an basically helpless to inflict any meaningful damage 1v1. They're just too fast and they hit, teleport,hit while you're engaged with others. They are obviously using coms.
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Post by heavypiece on Nov 5, 2019 13:48:03 GMT -5
I found that when a Leech locks onto my Bot, if I don't attack it and run behind cover the damage is slight ( unless a Teamate decides to shoot at it ). Then when the lock is off come out of cover and kill it. This works quite well if I am in my Ao Jun.
So far I have pulled Leach comps out of the magic box three times and Phantom comps once. Pix is defintly trying to get these bots out on the battlefield.
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Post by Joopiter on Nov 5, 2019 14:06:40 GMT -5
Try Call Of Duty Mobile CravenSoulsIt takes a while to get the hang of it (a lot of screen buttons!) but it's fun as ?fluffernutter?ing HELL! And I have yet to spend a dime and don't see why I would ever need to, unless i wanted fancy paint jobs on my weapons or a cooler backpack. It is skill based through and through!!! That game is gonna put a hurtin on Pixonic over the next few years....
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Post by CravenSouls on Nov 5, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
Phantom is not a problem, you can damage it. It is not an Ares nor Leech, nor Ao Jun. You don’t need an active module to deal damage to it. The problem is last stand, phase shift or advanced repair and the skill that recharges active modules. 2 phase shifts = full ability recharge 1 phase shift + 1 last stand = full ability recharge That’s like having 2 extra lifes on a single bot. An increase in Phantom’s ability recharge time could leave a short window to shoot at it without his ability on. But Phantom is not inherently as OP as Leech/Ares/Jun, so it should not be nerfed (yet, or at all). If PS + Last Stand + Pilot ability don’t get nerfed, every single bot that will be released with close to 10s ability recharge, will be able to cheat death not once, but twice in a row. Fix this first, and we can revisit Phantom’s or any other bots balance after. You must not play against maxed Phantoms.
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Post by integeritis on Nov 5, 2019 15:41:26 GMT -5
Phantom is not a problem, you can damage it. It is not an Ares nor Leech, nor Ao Jun. You don’t need an active module to deal damage to it. The problem is last stand, phase shift or advanced repair and the skill that recharges active modules. 2 phase shifts = full ability recharge 1 phase shift + 1 last stand = full ability recharge That’s like having 2 extra lifes on a single bot. An increase in Phantom’s ability recharge time could leave a short window to shoot at it without his ability on. But Phantom is not inherently as OP as Leech/Ares/Jun, so it should not be nerfed (yet, or at all). If PS + Last Stand + Pilot ability don’t get nerfed, every single bot that will be released with close to 10s ability recharge, will be able to cheat death not once, but twice in a row. Fix this first, and we can revisit Phantom’s or any other bots balance after. You must not play against maxed Phantoms. Oh, sorry, you are right. I don’t face them daily, I am just making things up. Don’t mind me. The point is, 1. you don’t need active modules to shoot at it 2. you can deal damage to him while he shoots you 3. does not have built in weapon 4. does not have invulnerability He is free to kill me as long as I can get out of the encounter with some damage. Which can’t be said about Leech/Ares/Ao Jun, or if we are at it, not the case with any of the stealth bots. Damage resistance is a lot more fair mechanic, than temporary invulnerability.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 17:20:51 GMT -5
Probably not a popular view, but I don't mind Phantoms too much either. Any clan who has the resources to max one this quickly is going to smash my hangar to bits pretty quickly anyway.
I won a Phantom and am running it at L8 (2 maxed silver armour kits and Armour Expert) in low Champs and really enjoy running it. And let's be honest, there are only two lights and one medium pounding you, which is probably plenty at MK2 L12, but it's not crazy.
4 mediums shooting at you with 90% DR on the bot and any return fire being passed on to your tethered team mate is another story entirely.
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Post by godzillasaurus on Nov 5, 2019 21:05:50 GMT -5
I still don't understand the hatred for Phantom. MK2 + maxed mods + maxed pilot + maxed weapons make anything OP.
As a player who pilots a non-roided Phantom, I need to play carefully and time my attacks well, or else I'll die very quickly. It's a fun bot to play.
What I DO understand the hatred for is Ao Jun. No need for skill, as Ao Jun can fly over all obstacles at immense speed, and has enough flight time to roast you and return home for dinner.
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Post by linearblade on Nov 6, 2019 8:41:58 GMT -5
Is the phantom overpowered for the kind of bot it is? Yea. No doubt. It’s better than any other “light bot” and most tanks for that matter as well
Is it overpowered in the unstoppable sense that a leech or ares is?
No. Not even remotely. The fact that my Lancelot can take them (now with practice) , even maxed out ones. Is telling.
These bots are fair against normal bots.
They are only deadly against sissy bots. And I’m good with that. Because I hate sissy bots and in general find The majority of their pilots to be pretty poor as well.
So ... I’m good with phantoms lol
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Post by mystic spastic on Nov 6, 2019 9:25:04 GMT -5
Phantom is not a problem, you can damage it. It is not an Ares nor Leech, nor Ao Jun. You don’t need an active module to deal damage to it. The problem is last stand, phase shift or advanced repair and the skill that recharges active modules. 2 phase shifts = full ability recharge 1 phase shift + 1 last stand = full ability recharge That’s like having 2 extra lifes on a single bot. An increase in Phantom’s ability recharge time could leave a short window to shoot at it without his ability on. But Phantom is not inherently as OP as Leech/Ares/Jun, so it should not be nerfed (yet, or at all). If PS + Last Stand + Pilot ability don’t get nerfed, every single bot that will be released with close to 10s ability recharge, will be able to cheat death not once, but twice in a row. Fix this first, and we can revisit Phantom’s or any other bots balance after. Oh hogwash regarding not being able to damage Ao Juns. A similarly leveled and equipped Phantom can easily take my 12/9 Avenger Ao Jun apart and then go on to wreak havoc on more bots. And, with a 60% special ability duty cycle, Phase Shift and Last Scam, finding a Phantom that's ripe to be wrecked is not easy at all..
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Post by RightOn on Nov 9, 2019 10:52:57 GMT -5
The phantom has too long of a window, that it's essentially always under DR.
For 10 out of 30 seconds, after it teleported, it is weak. Then for 20 of those 30 seconds, it is running around like a pursuer in falcon defense with the weapons of a turtle. OP
For 10 out of 30 seconds, a leech is unstoppable. Then for 20 of those 30 seconds, it is a turd waiting to die.
In other words, phantom is more OP than leech, and anybody who hasn't figured it out yet has their blinders on.
You don't need 4 mediums when you run twice as fast as your competition with more overall protection and an instant get-me-out-jail card. Crazy.
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 9, 2019 11:15:41 GMT -5
Build a tyr with fortifiers and last stand or anti control w coronas/rimes or igniter/halo or igniter/rime. It sounds stupid but try it. The shield is omega phat and tiny hit box and will last forever, its not invunerable tho it does break. And ao juns will end you if youre not in covered area in seconds.
Chances are they (leech/phantom) are using coronas or storms or scourges.
in a 1v1 scenario unless its a cyro or igniter u just kill them and take no damage. You have enough shield to last two full rounds of leeching. Phantoms are easier the problem is its got an even smaller hitbox so shotguns vs shotguns scenario stay 200-250 m away. Your shield lasts longer than its dr, Youre not taking any dmg and he is taking small amounts so just wait for it to start the full engagement. Time your bursts.
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Post by josh378 on Nov 9, 2019 11:43:36 GMT -5
I used to complain about Phantom but then once you provide a strategy around him, you can beat one. I run an Inquisitor, with just a mk12 thunder and two mk12 storm and believe me MK2 Phantoms have to focus on me because it hurts when you get slammed with shotgun bullets directly. Some of you need to learn how to use your phase shifts properly. Like not to use it until you hit their last stand. Make Phantom get up to close to you in a close up fight and they realize you're hitting them really hard with a jumping stealth bot.
A lot of you just need to mk12 your weapons I'm not saying MK2, but storms and Thunders are cheap to level up these days. You can take down an MK2 Phantom. The issue is the leech. It nearly takes three to four Bots to bring it down.
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Post by shivaswrath on Nov 9, 2019 12:33:47 GMT -5
I used to complain about Phantom but then once you provide a strategy around him, you can beat one. I run an Inquisitor, with just a mk12 thunder and two mk12 storm and believe me MK2 Phantoms have to focus on me because it hurts when you get slammed with shotgun bullets directly. Some of you need to learn how to use your phase shifts properly. Like not to use it until you hit their last stand. Make Phantom get up to close to you in a close up fight and they realize you're hitting them really hard with a jumping stealth bot. A lot of you just need to mk12 your weapons I'm not saying MK2, but storms and Thunders are cheap to level up these days. You can take down an MK2 Phantom. The issue is the leech. It nearly takes three to four Bots to bring it down. A lot of phantoms rely on <50m strategies ..... So your Inquisitor one is wise. I run a Scourge/Halo because I like mid to close range brawling, so there are definitely ways to deal with them. What gets me are three phantoms circling me...none of my bots can handle that.
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Post by josh378 on Nov 9, 2019 12:42:02 GMT -5
I used to complain about Phantom but then once you provide a strategy around him, you can beat one. I run an Inquisitor, with just a mk12 thunder and two mk12 storm and believe me MK2 Phantoms have to focus on me because it hurts when you get slammed with shotgun bullets directly. Some of you need to learn how to use your phase shifts properly. Like not to use it until you hit their last stand. Make Phantom get up to close to you in a close up fight and they realize you're hitting them really hard with a jumping stealth bot. A lot of you just need to mk12 your weapons I'm not saying MK2, but storms and Thunders are cheap to level up these days. You can take down an MK2 Phantom. The issue is the leech. It nearly takes three to four Bots to bring it down. A lot of phantoms rely on <50m strategies ..... So your Inquisitor one is wise. I run a Scourge/Halo because I like mid to close range brawling, so there are definitely ways to deal with them. What gets me are three phantoms circling me...none of my bots can handle that. Yea, if you have 3 Phantoms coming after you at once there's no point. Not even a MK2 leech can survive. My point when you see that is to back off and come back as a group. Because fighting them with 3 vs 1 is just feeding them more honor points.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 19:30:29 GMT -5
I used to complain about Phantom but then once you provide a strategy around him, you can beat one. I run an Inquisitor, with just a mk12 thunder and two mk12 storm and believe me MK2 Phantoms have to focus on me because it hurts when you get slammed with shotgun bullets directly. Some of you need to learn how to use your phase shifts properly. Like not to use it until you hit their last stand. Make Phantom get up to close to you in a close up fight and they realize you're hitting them really hard with a jumping stealth bot. A lot of you just need to mk12 your weapons I'm not saying MK2, but storms and Thunders are cheap to level up these days. You can take down an MK2 Phantom. The issue is the leech. It nearly takes three to four Bots to bring it down. Yea that's the same strat i used to beat the HB rush. Jump back in my Ember Inky, and i would roast them to death by the time i land. Wait for the next one and do the same. Took out an entire death squad lol. Next day, none of them ran the HB anymore. Also my Hover would sit on top of perches, and safe from the blast radius of HB. Can use same tricks on Phantom to some degree. Also using my Galahad, and it's very strong. Halos don't punch through my shield. Then i wear them out from a distance using shredders and Taran. Viper/Glory Weyland. Bastion and let them run straight to me, which they always try to. Heal and poison and shotty is enough to easily kill them with minimal dmg. I use my Hover to take down leech and all the past meta bots. Just gotta outplay them. Read my post on High Ground is OP to see how it does it. So many ways.
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Post by maverick on Nov 9, 2019 20:15:08 GMT -5
Ya'll talking about leechs and phantoms being OP which to a certain extent they can be, when the real problem is the bloody falcon. I don't have any bot that can walk into a 「dookie」storm of fire, take a beacon and wander off without taking bugger all damage.
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Post by josh378 on Nov 9, 2019 21:34:49 GMT -5
Ya'll talking about leechs and phantoms being OP which to a certain extent they can be, when the real problem is the bloody falcon. I don't have any bot that can walk into a ?dookie?storm of fire, take a beacon and wander off without taking bugger all damage. I see a Falcon, I'm jumping on my Fenrir and roasting that bird. TFal owners take it personally when they see a Fenrir and vice versa. All I see when I see a TFal is "come at me bro"...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 22:31:49 GMT -5
Ya'll talking about leechs and phantoms being OP which to a certain extent they can be, when the real problem is the bloody falcon. I don't have any bot that can walk into a ?dookie?storm of fire, take a beacon and wander off without taking bugger all damage. Easy. Get yo self a Tank buster. So many options. Down in lower leagues, try Raijin Avenger. The Bastion gives shield and attack bonus. They go down fast. Weyland and another good wep. I use Glory/VIper. But 2x avengers, 2x Glory, 2x Viper or any combination would work. These 2 bots give a whoopin to the TFalc or Falc.
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Post by maverick on Nov 10, 2019 0:10:26 GMT -5
Ya'll talking about leechs and phantoms being OP which to a certain extent they can be, when the real problem is the bloody falcon. I don't have any bot that can walk into a ?dookie?storm of fire, take a beacon and wander off without taking bugger all damage. I see a Falcon, I'm jumping on my Fenrir and roasting that bird. TFal owners take it personally when they see a Fenrir and vice versa. All I see when I see a TFal is "come at me bro"... Don't have one
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Post by maverick on Nov 10, 2019 0:12:31 GMT -5
Ya'll talking about leechs and phantoms being OP which to a certain extent they can be, when the real problem is the bloody falcon. I don't have any bot that can walk into a ?dookie?storm of fire, take a beacon and wander off without taking bugger all damage. Easy. Get yo self a Tank buster. So many options. Down in lower leagues, try Raijin Avenger. The Bastion gives shield and attack bonus. They go down fast. Weyland and another good wep. I use Glory/VIper. But 2x avengers, 2x Glory, 2x Viper or any combination would work. These 2 bots give a whoopin to the TFalc or Falc. Twin avengers on my Ao Jun, even with a full clip AND dragon breath I'm lucky to remove half his health, and if he has healing it's only like a 1/4 to 1/3 by the time my ability is back.
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