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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 11:59:15 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release.  |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Oct 16, 2019 12:18:27 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I feel motivated to level the Tyr I have, not to reward their decision to nerf the ops pass. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 12:23:46 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I feel motivated to level the Tyr I have, not to reward their decision to nerf the ops pass. Same. My WS is almost clear (finishing a 2nd halo for a phantom I won’t have until Jan 2020, lol) and I have nothing else planned, so back to the half-completed Tyr starting tomorrow. |
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 16, 2019 12:39:28 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. |
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Post by immortal on Oct 16, 2019 12:41:29 GMT -5
last week sold 1 tyr. now having 1 at level 8
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 12:52:10 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 16, 2019 12:55:46 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Mender strength is asking a lot since those only come in spurts for the Mender...every 15 seconds or so. It could definately support at least 50% more of the healing affect though, especially since it can be done constantly and on the move. I can't see DR being added during assault mode, but I could be way off base in this...just not with the physical shield already there. Adding better shield and higher health would be a realistic ask. Additional speed would be a good addition too. I think a fair ask would be to add: - 25% stronger shield and 15% more health
- 50% more healing strength (max, that would be ~5k/second...the Mender maxes out at 73k before True Ace)
- Additional 15% speed in Assault mode
If that doesn't make it a meta bot, it should certainly be fringe meta and very dangerous, especially in squads.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Oct 16, 2019 12:59:00 GMT -5
I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I do believe they keep tabs on community feedback. For example, I think the large number of players raving about how 'generous'the previous ops pass was contributed to their decision to nerf it. It was a stupid decision, btw. Most companies, when they have a formula that generates sales, they stick with it. Pixo always seems to try to figure out ways to skinny the deal for players. If Pixo wanted to give away less valuable content as a main prize, like a Tyr, they should have increased, rather than decreased, the lesser rewards. - More PC's is no skin off of their nose. Every bot they release now is a PC hog and they have their player base addicted to it. - More Ag just means more players leveling content. - More keys just means more people obsessing over addictive gambling behavior trying to win a leach. They could sell a generous subscription model like a drug dealer sells crack just by keeping people happy, but instead they reduce the incentives and, in so doing, eat into their own profits. |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 16, 2019 13:01:10 GMT -5
I want a Tyr or other healing bot. That might get me hundreds more honor points per match, which helps in Ops. Doubt I will reach it in Ops but maybe build it in WS. Tyr looks fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 13:05:40 GMT -5
I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 13:06:06 GMT -5
I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Mender strength is asking a lot since those only come in spurts for the Mender...every 15 seconds or so. It could definately support at least 50% more of the healing affect though, especially since it can be done constantly and on the move. I can't see DR being added during assault mode, but I could be way off base in this...just not with the physical shield already there. Adding better shield and higher health would be a realistic ask. Additional speed would be a good addition too. I think a fair ask would be to add: - 25% stronger shield and 15% more health
- 50% more healing strength (max, that would be ~5k/second...the Mender maxes out at 73k before True Ace)
- Additional 15% speed in Assault mode
If that doesn't make it a meta bot, it should certainly be fringe meta and very dangerous, especially in squads.
I think there’s a good chance that they’ll OP it to grab some sales then nerf it rebalance it in a few months. Mender’s healing levelizes to 3,183/s (12mk2 no skills applied). I’d like to see Tyr’s at that same level assuming it’s 50/50 support/assault. So roughly double what it is now. OR, how ‘bout 50% higher during support AND Mechanic level healing in assault mode. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 16, 2019 13:31:26 GMT -5
Mender strength is asking a lot since those only come in spurts for the Mender...every 15 seconds or so. It could definately support at least 50% more of the healing affect though, especially since it can be done constantly and on the move. I can't see DR being added during assault mode, but I could be way off base in this...just not with the physical shield already there. Adding better shield and higher health would be a realistic ask. Additional speed would be a good addition too. I think a fair ask would be to add: - 25% stronger shield and 15% more health
- 50% more healing strength (max, that would be ~5k/second...the Mender maxes out at 73k before True Ace)
- Additional 15% speed in Assault mode
If that doesn't make it a meta bot, it should certainly be fringe meta and very dangerous, especially in squads.
I think there’s a good chance that they’ll OP it to grab some sales then nerf it rebalance it in a few months. Mender’s healing levelizes to 3,183/s (12mk2 no skills applied). I’d like to see Tyr’s at that same level assuming it’s 50/50 support/assault. So roughly double what it is now. OR, how ‘bout 50% higher during support AND Mechanic level healing in assault mode. Those are good. Either way they cut it, the healing shouldn't be higher than the Mender in a burst function IMO. It should fill a different role than the Mender. But 'should' might not be a word Pix has translated yet... |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 13:36:58 GMT -5
Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. Actually, I totally agree with this. Whales who want it already have it and already have Ops. Commoners who wanted it built (or are building) it in WS. What you wrote makes sense. BUT...  ...this is Pix we’re talking about. |
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 16, 2019 13:52:21 GMT -5
I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. And, although it would be a first, I wouldn't be shocked if Pixonic sweetened this season's OP pass by making the Ancient Tyr reward have new/additional abilities that the regular Tyr doesn't. |
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 16, 2019 13:53:19 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. Actually, I totally agree with this. Whales who want it already have it and already have Ops. Commoners who wanted it built (or are building) it in WS. What you wrote makes sense. BUT... ...this is Pix we’re talking about. Unless the buff is to Ancient Tyr only, and not the regular Tyr... |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 14:01:36 GMT -5
Actually, I totally agree with this. Whales who want it already have it and already have Ops. Commoners who wanted it built (or are building) it in WS. What you wrote makes sense. BUT... â-...this is Pix weâre talking about. Unless the buff is to Ancient Tyr only, and not the regular Tyr... I only caught part of the DevStream. Did they mention that the special morphs of all bots would have the same abilities as the legendary skins? E.g. +5% health. As much as I think thatâs a totally 「wee-wee」 move, buffing the P2W prize is perfectly in line with Pix SOP. Honestly, I was very surprised they didnât to that in the last Ops with Ao Jun. Base Bot, legendary skin +5%, legendary morph +10%. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 16, 2019 14:07:51 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. DR would make more sense added to Support Mode. Without it, Tyr will will always be Ao Jun food. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 16, 2019 14:37:50 GMT -5
Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what youâve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. I thought I noticed in your chart that getting to 80 is actually about the same, if not a bit easier than last time. I guess those last 20 levels or so will end up being a 「female dog」. Still though, I am not a super active player like some and I did it in about 25 days last time (thank you Mender!). If I get to 80 in the first month, that means I'd have the last month to do that last 20. I'll have to run the numbers from your charts when I have a bit more time. |
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Post by hyderier on Oct 16, 2019 14:46:31 GMT -5
What Tyr desperately needs is is more speed, for chasing blues in need of healing. 60 kph would be just enough, preferably a tad more, doesn't matter in which mode. The other mode could then be slower than now even.
Better shield wouldn't hurt either, to make the assault mode a bit more scary.
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Post by krebby on Oct 16, 2019 15:24:10 GMT -5
Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. I agree with this 100%. In addition to HFB's analysis, the special edition Tyr is worse than the regular one because it does not have access to the +5% durability legendary skin. For players who are high enough level, and committed enough to finish the current operation, I can't imagine many would ever use the SE Tyr. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 15:52:40 GMT -5
Serious question....with the new Leech pilot on the way, is it worth building any bot other than Leech or maybe Ao Jun to Viper/roast Leech?
I may get an Ao Jun just to try and survive matches a little.....and I don’t want one......
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Post by alster on Oct 16, 2019 17:22:24 GMT -5
Serious question....with the new Leech pilot on the way, is it worth building any bot other than Leech or maybe Ao Jun to Viper/roast Leech? I may get an Ao Jun just to try and survive matches a little.....and I don’t want one...... No, the higher up you go the more leaches people run. Go Leach or go broke. |
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Post by hon_shu on Oct 16, 2019 17:41:15 GMT -5
Tyr fans rejoice! Per today’s DevStream, Tyr is getting rebalanced to improve the variety of meta bot choices buffed to improve Ops Pass sales. I think they said it will be available to test this weekend on TS. Five will get you fifty that it’s a decent buff showing up in the 5.5 release. I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Tyr has a physical shield? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:51:23 GMT -5
Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I do believe they keep tabs on community feedback. For example, I think the large number of players raving about how 'generous'the previous ops pass was contributed to their decision to nerf it. It was a stupid decision, btw. Most companies, when they have a formula that generates sales, they stick with it. Pixo always seems to try to figure out ways to skinny the deal for players. If Pixo wanted to give away less valuable content as a main prize, like a Tyr, they should have increased, rather than decreased, the lesser rewards. - More PC's is no skin off of their nose. Every bot they release now is a PC hog and they have their player base addicted to it. - More Ag just means more players leveling content. - More keys just means more people obsessing over addictive gambling behavior trying to win a leach. They could sell a generous subscription model like a drug dealer sells crack just by keeping people happy, but instead they reduce the incentives and, in so doing, eat into their own profits. Yea it makes no business sense to reduce the OPS Pass. It's paid for, so they trying to reduce their sales or smtg. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 16, 2019 18:10:29 GMT -5
I hope it's a solid buff but I'm not getting my hopes up... A typical "incremental" Pix buff still won't allow Tyr to compete with any other top meta bots in Champion League today. (And other than Blitz, we rarely see buffs of any significance.) IMO Tyr needs: • Stronger physical shield and higher health • Mender-strength healing pulses when in "Support Mode" • Damage resistance when in 'Assault Mode' • Additional speed in "Assault Mode" Otherwise this bot will remain Leech, Ares and Ao Jun food. Tyr has a physical shield? When it's not bugged... |
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Post by godzillasaurus on Oct 16, 2019 18:43:43 GMT -5
No, but it'll make me use mine again, as long as they buff the pathetic shield.
If only they didn't nerf Operations, then they wouldn't have to resort to 「dookie」 like this.
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 16, 2019 19:17:14 GMT -5
Good list, I am expecting something more than the typical micro-adjustment, but probably about half of what you’ve listed. It may sound jaded and snarky, but I seriously think they see this as a way to boost Ops Pass sales. Folks will need a lot more than a 2kph & 5% health boost to make that happen. I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. It looks to me like they are blaming the wrong thing for the slow operation sales. NEWSFLASH Pixonic: it’s not the Tyr. You could’ve put the Tyr in Gathering Storm and people would’ve still been happy with it. It’s all the resources you’ve nerfed in this operations that put people off and have many hesitating because of the difficulty in obtaining it. They can be so freakin obtuse, it’s amazing |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 16, 2019 19:47:37 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. Couldn't people just make it in WS? I really wonder how many people are going to be making it to the end of the operations given it is something like 2x as hard now as it was in Gathering Storm. If you're near the top in Champs you can make it there, but if you're near the top, you probably have better stuff in your hangar already. It looks to me like they are blaming the wrong thing for the slow operation sales. NEWSFLASH Pixonic: it’s not the Tyr. You could’ve put the Tyr in Gathering Storm and people would’ve still been happy with it. It’s all the resources you’ve nerfed in this operations that put people off and have many hesitating because of the difficulty in obtaining it. They can be so freakin obtuse, it’s amazing If they'd double the Ag/Au/Keys rewards and reduce OXP requirements by 25%, that would probably earn my CAD $18.99. Buffing Tyr will not affect my decision, since I already have one. Let's face it...anyone who gets all the way to 10p on this: 1) is in Champ League 2) earns 3x the awarded prizes on regular match earnings 3) already has a Tyr, or doesn't want one. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 16, 2019 19:54:01 GMT -5
Serious question....with the new Leech pilot on the way, is it worth building any bot other than Leech or maybe Ao Jun to Viper/roast Leech? I may get an Ao Jun just to try and survive matches a little.....and I don’t want one...... Just say no to leech, maybe to Ao Jun. Phantom/Leech is just the new HB/Ares run by the same whales. The Uber whales already have 2-3 in their hangers, loaded with Mk2 Storms or Coronas, you having one won’t matter that much and it will just make you feel dirty ?. Also, they will smoke hundreds of PCs in matches that they already dominate, so you have that to contend with as well Still no Greeks or Ragnarok bots for me (might go for Tyr though) and I don’t use the PoS module. I do have 1 Ao Jun in my active hanger and although it makes me feel a bit dirty going OP meta, the rest of my hanger is fringe- non-meta to balance it out. I even traded in my TFalc for the Classic model. Meh, I’m a dirty old man at heart anyway, so it works for me. FWIW, with this hanger I’m at ~50% win, finishing #1 spot 80% of the time W or L, in Champions League-4. It is possible to win without Leech. Keep on keepin on!  |
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Oct 16, 2019 21:19:04 GMT -5
The Uber whales already have 2-3 in their hangers, loaded with Mk2 Storms or Coronas, you having one won’t matter that much and it will just make you feel dirty ?. Also, they will smoke hundreds of PCs in matches that they already dominate, so you have that to contend with as well ^^^^TRUTH^^^^
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