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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:11:17 GMT -5
I've made it to level 70 on Raging Typhoon so thought I'd create a thread similar to what I did for Gathering Storm (http://war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/34999/operations-deconstructed-play)
So OXP needed for each level through 80 are:
1-10 = 400 OXP per level 11-20 = 700 21-30 = 1000 31-40 = 1300 41-50 = 1750 51-60 = 2300 61-70 = 3000 71-80 = 3600 (only know level 71 for sure) 81-90 = 4300 (from reddit) 91-100 = ?
If you want everything from the free chain you would need 140100 OXP. Remember that for this operations you get 1.4X OXP relative to Gathering Storm.
I will create some additional posts on this thread covering various topics:
a) Analysis of free chain b) Analysis of premium (pay) chain c) Comparison between this operations and the last one d) Commentary
This thread will be updated as I move up in level or as I get data from those further along than me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:11:32 GMT -5
The table below shows how much cumulative loot you get from the free chain at each level achieved. It also shows how many total OXP you'll need to get to each level. I've also added a column entitled "Effective Level from Gathering Storm." This column gives you an idea of where you would get in Raging Typhoon if you ground as hard as in Gathering Storm. I'll explain this in a bit. As an example of how to read the chart, if you really want that Celestial Mercury skin at level 60, you will need a total of 74,100 OXP. Along with that skin you'll get the following: a) 220 Keys b) 2600 PCs c) 13M Ag d) 530 Au e) 14 assorted boosters f) 0.30 Igniters (3000 Shards) g) 0.16 Corona h) 0.20 Nemesis i) 2 generic pilots So now as to the column labelled "Effective Level from Gathering Storm." You want to get to level 60 in the current Raging Typhoon operation but are unsure how much grinding that will take since Pix has obfuscated things by changing how many OXP you get in this operations vs. the last one, changed the OXP required for each level, changing the length of the operations, etc. If you grind at the same intensity as in Gathering Storm, you would have needed to make it to level 68 in Gathering Storm (see table immediately above) to make it to level 60 in Raging Typhoon. Essentially what I did was correct for changes to OXP between the two operations and also assumed you grind for 60 days in Raging Typhoon rather than 45 in Gathering Storm. If this isn't clear, let me know and I will try and do a better job of explaining it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:11:43 GMT -5
Here's the same thing for the pay chain. When accounting for getting "1.4x more OXP" in this event vs. Gathering Storm, it is about 2x more games that you need to play now vs. before to complete the chain. The total resources are nerfed quite a bit to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:12:01 GMT -5
Comparison between Gathering Storm and Raging Typhoon. What PIx seems to have done is to back load the rewards in Raging Typhoon vs. Gathering Storm; you need much more OXP in Ragining Typhoon at the beginning levels whereas you need more at the higher levels in Gather Storm. If you grind at the same intensity each day in Raging Typhoon as you did in Gathering Storm AND you made it to level 80 in Gathering Storm, you should make it to level 80 in Raging Typhoon (although you'll have to grind for 60 days rather than 45 days). If you didn't make it to level 80 in Gathering Storm, you won't make it nearly as far in Raging Typhoon. Beyond the grind, the prizes have been nerfed as everyone is aware. Just strictly looking at OXP earned (after correcting for the 1.4X OXP in Raging Typhoon vs. Gathering Storm) you see this pattern for resources. Free Path: Paid Path: Only PCs in the paid chain have received a bump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:12:17 GMT -5
Just a few comments should Pix actually read these threads.
a) There was no need to change OXP obtained between Raging Typhoon and Gathering Storm. This just feels like an attempt to deliberately confuse people... you do get more OXP but you get less resources for your efforts as shown in the thread above. Anything that strikes at deception should be avoided as it just irritates people.
b) By requiring more OXP for the lower levels and relatively less OXP at higher levels in Raging Typhoon vs. Gathering Storm, you are just perpetuating the gap between the haves and the have nots. If you have highly leveled gear already you can do this grind and make it all the way through to the best prizes. If you're lower level you will struggle to get decent stuff. This makes it so your up and coming customer base is alienated. I know people worry about tanking but why not have some sort of OXP multiplier for lower level players so that they have a shot at the best prizes? There should be a way to do this. Maybe give an OXP bonus multiplier for players based upon how many games they have played... if they have played less than 1000 the multiplier is 4x, if they have played less than 2500 it is 2.5x, etc.
c) I was expecting a nerf to resources but definitely not as much as was done. It is also troubling that PCs actually went up. The latest Bots (Phantom/Leech) seem to only be really effective if you use lots of PCs for Phase ?dookie?, etc. If the model is to make it so that PCs are required to be successful and you try and push people to buy PCs down the road, you will see a lot of people dropping. That is on top of the playability of the game degrading because everyone is running around hitting Phase Shift.
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Post by reckless1 on Oct 15, 2019 9:26:42 GMT -5
Nice work!
So if we assume about 4400 for 81-90 and 5000 for 91-100, we're looking at about 234000OXP to get to 100.
That means about 234000/60, or 3900 OXP per day. Take away 150 for the bonus and its about 3750. With boosters on the chain its about 3600. Divided by 250 OXP per game and I'm looking at about 14 games a day. I'm mid champ with premium. Ymmv.
If Tyr was a phantom I'd grind. As it is I'm going to play when I feel like it and no more.
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 15, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5
Thanks for putting all this out there for folks. Myself I am playing normally and at level 57. I am pretty sure I will make it to the end without too much of a problem.
The reason I paid for the pass was for the silver and gold if you spend and play allot anyways this is a better deal than any other.
I m also happy to get the igniters and skins. The final prize Tyr is a letdown IMO it should have been a phantom or Leach that is my only real gripe. Of course I also wish they would have left the silver and gold payouts higher like the first event but overall it is still a good deal.
For those that just want to whine about the event please do it in the other threads.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 15, 2019 9:41:29 GMT -5
This is great @happyfunball ! A quick thought for everyone to gauge if you think you can make it or not: consider your HP earned each month based on how far you make it through the battle rewards and multiply it by the OXP factor you have based on whether you have premium or not (0.07 for non-premium and 0.105 for premium). As an example, if you get 2 champions crates/month, that's 1.3 million HP per 30 day period. For a premium member, that means you will get 136,500 OXP per month or 273,000 OXP for the event. I hope this helps along with what HFB has done here.
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Post by reckless1 on Oct 15, 2019 9:45:07 GMT -5
Based on my current trajectory I'll make it to 100 with about five days to spare. But I'll be tyr'ed by then.
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Post by ironstar on Oct 15, 2019 9:51:32 GMT -5
Greatly appreciate this thread. Due to real life stuff I am off to a slow start but will catch up in November. Will follow this thread with interest as you plug along.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 9:59:35 GMT -5
Nice work! So if we assume about 4400 for 81-90 and 5000 for 91-100, we're looking at about 234000OXP to get to 100. That means about 234000/60, or 3900 OXP per day. Take away 150 for the bonus and its about 3750. With boosters on the chain its about 3600. Divided by 250 OXP per game and I'm looking at about 14 games a day. I'm mid champ with premium. Ymmv. If Tyr was a phantom I'd grind. As it is I'm going to play when I feel like it and no more. And here lies the rub...... If I could magically be transported back to Gold, I might be able to do this. However, seeing how my level 9 gear plays with, and against, Champs and their gear, I just calculated my avg. OXP per day. I’m 502/700 into 17, so my average is 1,740 OXP per day....well less than half of what you calculated, and thus showing me I need at least 30 battles per day for a shot at finishing. This is a bit like MM, as my hangar strength has no influence on the need to complete Champs tasks as Champs can do...all below struggle and/or fail.....which, of course, leads to spending to level up in order to compete, lol Pretty much every mobile game I’ve played does this exact same thing. If you are not a L11/12 Champ, just do what you can do and have fun, get whatever. Don’t let this setup stress your life!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 10:42:04 GMT -5
This is great @happyfunball ! A quick thought for everyone to gauge if you think you can make it or not: consider your HP earned each month based on how far you make it through the battle rewards and multiply it by the OXP factor you have based on whether you have premium or not (0.07 for non-premium and 0.105 for premium). As an example, if you get 2 champions crates/month, that's 1.3 million HP per 30 day period. For a premium member, that means you will get 136,500 OXP per month or 273,000 OXP for the event. I hope this helps along with what HFB has done here. Would you please sticky this thread like the one for Gathering Storm?
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 15, 2019 10:52:49 GMT -5
Just a few comments should Pix actually read these threads. Just a FYI - I did forward this thread on to some contacts I have. Whether it gets digested I never know, as I typically don't get a response on this type of stuff. I would think so though.
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Post by Desc440 on Oct 15, 2019 11:05:44 GMT -5
According to this, I should make it to the end of the free track as I have the 45 day Premium this time around. Unlikely to bother with the paid track, though.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 15, 2019 11:08:49 GMT -5
Based on my current trajectory I'll make it to 100 with about five days to spare. But I'll be tyr'ed by then.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 15, 2019 11:21:04 GMT -5
This is great @happyfunball ! A quick thought for everyone to gauge if you think you can make it or not: consider your HP earned each month based on how far you make it through the battle rewards and multiply it by the OXP factor you have based on whether you have premium or not (0.07 for non-premium and 0.105 for premium). As an example, if you get 2 champions crates/month, that's 1.3 million HP per 30 day period. For a premium member, that means you will get 136,500 OXP per month or 273,000 OXP for the event. I hope this helps along with what HFB has done here. Would you please sticky this thread like the one for Gathering Storm? Done!
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 15, 2019 11:22:34 GMT -5
Based on my current trajectory I'll make it to 100 with about five days to spare. But I'll be tyr'ed by then.
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 15, 2019 11:41:02 GMT -5
Nice work! So if we assume about 4400 for 81-90 and 5000 for 91-100, we're looking at about 234000OXP to get to 100. That means about 234000/60, or 3900 OXP per day. Take away 150 for the bonus and its about 3750. With boosters on the chain its about 3600. Divided by 250 OXP per game and I'm looking at about 14 games a day. I'm mid champ with premium. Ymmv. If Tyr was a phantom I'd grind. As it is I'm going to play when I feel like it and no more. And here lies the rub...... If I could magically be transported back to Gold, I might be able to do this. However, seeing how my level 9 gear plays with, and against, Champs and their gear, I just calculated my avg. OXP per day. I’m 502/700 into 17, so my average is 1,740 OXP per day....well less than half of what you calculated, and thus showing me I need at least 30 battles per day for a shot at finishing. This is a bit like MM, as my hangar strength has no influence on the need to complete Champs tasks as Champs can do...all below struggle and/or fail.....which, of course, leads to spending to level up in order to compete, lol Pretty much every mobile game I’ve played does this exact same thing. If you are not a L11/12 Champ, just do what you can do and have fun, get whatever. Don’t let this setup stress your life! I seriously doubt it as you get much less honor in Gold. That said even if you got first each time in gold it is probably a wash and about the same. The truth is high level people who play a ton will benefit the most, some will think this unfair I say after playing 3 hours a day for 4 years it is just fine with me. Sorry if that hurts people feelings but those that play as much as some of us do should be rewarded whether the socialist (everybody should have everything instantly) types think so or not. As for Green Banana he has it dead on! Do what you can and dont let this stress you! It is all a bonus if you have time and enjoy the game go for it if not oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -5
Nothing unreasonable in Loganspawns’ post....I’m a mid level player, but after 15 months in game, I did make mistakes, had way too many bots and was trying to keep, at one point, 15 bots leveled up...impossible!
If I had a solid, 5-7 bot lineup and been leveling those, I’d be in Champs by now.....and much more powerful.
The consideration for players such as myself may or may not be reasonable....but, can we be blamed for wanting to get more content for a game we enjoy/love?
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 15, 2019 12:22:58 GMT -5
Nothing unreasonable in Loganspawns’ post....I’m a mid level player, but after 15 months in game, I did make mistakes, had way too many bots and was trying to keep, at one point, 15 bots leveled up...impossible! If I had a solid, 5-7 bot lineup and been leveling those, I’d be in Champs by now.....and much more powerful. The consideration for players such as myself may or may not be reasonable....but, can we be blamed for wanting to get more content for a game we enjoy/love? Knowing ones mistakes makes one great if they learn from them. And heck no I dont blame anyone for wanting more, I just dislike those (not anyone in this thread) that spout off about "whales/ killer death squads" having it all. Many of us have paid dearly in time and money to earn a little something something IMO. Myself I do not look at the mansion on the hill and think its unfair and we should take it and spread the wealth, I look up that hill and go what can I do to get that and wouldn't it be nice if everyone could earn a mansion. Just like it sounds you might think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 18:52:41 GMT -5
Just a few comments should Pix actually read these threads. Just a FYI - I did forward this thread on to some contacts I have. Whether it gets digested I never know, as I typically don't get a response on this type of stuff. I would think so though. You’re a good dude in my book Bobby D, and happyfunball’s points are rock solid, and for the benefit of mothership Pix, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your forward will be met with the following response. but we can always hope that good old fashioned common sense and customer relationships become a thing at OP-Nerf Phildo-o-rama Inc.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 15, 2019 19:02:03 GMT -5
Just a FYI - I did forward this thread on to some contacts I have. Whether it gets digested I never know, as I typically don't get a response on this type of stuff. I would think so though. You’re a good dude in my book Bobby D, and happyfunball’s points are rock solid, and for the benefit of mothership Pix, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your forward will be met with the following response. but we can always hope that good old fashioned common sense and customer relationships become a thing at OP-Nerf Phildo-o-rama Inc. I think like any company there’s a lot of people pulling for fan based content, and people pulling for pure revenue. Ideally they should meet in the middle; I’m still hoping they get closer to that.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 15, 2019 21:05:22 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/diicpb/lv80_operations_achieved_polar_ao_jun_and/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 21:25:42 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/diicpb/lv80_operations_achieved_polar_ao_jun_and/ @happyfunball Thanks. Hopefully he'll respond. I'm at 72 so I am a day or two out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 23:01:00 GMT -5
There's now a post on Reddit showing levels 81-90 are 4300 OXP per. My guess is that 91-100 will be about 5k OXP per. Assuming that's correct, we're looking at the pay chain requiring about 2x the number of games to complete vs. Gathering Storm. I've updated the pay chain above to cover 81-90.
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Post by blood on Oct 16, 2019 4:40:41 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have made an Excel Spreadsheet for Raging Typhoon using a spreadsheet from previous operation. www.dropbox.com/s/asvcf2v2v904tr1/War Robots%20Operations%20Raging%20Typhoon.xlsx?dl=1 edit note: saw on a different post 91 onwards will need 4700 oxp per level
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Post by bobot on Oct 17, 2019 17:25:54 GMT -5
Great post. Assuming last 91-100 is 5k, my off the cuff calculation is that it will take a little under 60% more Honor points per day to complete this Operations over the last one. This takes into account the 40% OXP buff and that a person bought premium.
An active champ player should finish with no problem. Lower leagues will have a very hard time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 17:35:42 GMT -5
GREAT stuff here...thank you! Cross-posted this thread to the subreddit. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 23:45:35 GMT -5
Pay chain has been updated through 100 thanks to a Reddit poster supplying 91-100. To complete the pay chain you need to play 2x as many games in Raging Typhoon as Gathering Storm, and the prizes in the current event don't stack up to the last one except for power cells.
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Post by linearblade on Oct 18, 2019 1:48:10 GMT -5
Pay chain has been updated through 100 thanks to a Reddit poster supplying 91-100. To complete the pay chain you need to play 2x as many games in Raging Typhoon as Gathering Storm, and the prizes in the current event don't stack up to the last one except for power cells. Good news, it’s completable. Bad news, not as good.. but for the record, we all sort of knew the first one way way too good for the money, so it’s not surprising, nor disappointing But on the other hand, what I don’t like is the double time requirement for half the reward. I understand they want to encourage play time. Which is a good thing. I don’t like them stuffing powercells into everything now, as comps for playing money. Seems a shady tactic
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