karkooba
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Post by karkooba on Oct 10, 2019 6:08:11 GMT -5
This is a quick analysis of the new operation (Raging Typhoon) and a comparison to the previous one (Gathering Storm). I used JFSoul 's analysis of the previous operation as a template and for info. This was posted first on reddit. Fonts in red signifies nerfs, and in green signifies buffs. I hope this guides you in making decisions regarding pass purchase. Thank you.  |
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Post by reckless1 on Oct 10, 2019 6:16:34 GMT -5
Operation Nerf Gold and Silver Payouts 40% is here!
But at least the grind is longer too.
I'll pass.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 10, 2019 6:19:07 GMT -5
At least you get more boosters and PC for playing longer  Pix would make more money if they just sold a pass for $50 that unlocked everything. Millions of people would buy it. They think they can just slowly reap wallets it won't work. I've barely spent $100 in 5 years. But then Mail.Ru would cut them off lmao Frankly after the last OP which I did spend $15 on, I'm done. I only did .99 deals for a meager Au count. But when pilots dropped I resented this thought. |
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Post by BB on Oct 10, 2019 6:21:59 GMT -5
This is all about controlling the inflow of crack. Pix doing their patented micro manipulation
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Post by immortal on Oct 10, 2019 6:29:11 GMT -5
Lvl 1-10 = 400 oxp each lvl
Lvl 11-20 = 700 oxp each lvl
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Post by tharnage on Oct 10, 2019 6:46:38 GMT -5
We all know Pixonic so well that we predicted the nerf of operations way earlier lol
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Post by akulon on Oct 10, 2019 6:54:13 GMT -5
Lvl 1-10 = 400 oxp each lvl Lvl 11-20 = 700 oxp each lvl Lol, it seems that I'll need Premium + HP boosters + Unpaid leave to finish level 80. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 10, 2019 6:54:48 GMT -5
We all know Pixonic so well that we predicted the nerf of operations way earlier lol ....at least we've learned. Was best $15 I've spent last operations. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 7:00:00 GMT -5
So, the real question.....who knows the amount of OXP after level 80......will it be higher than 4,000? Any link/proof?
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Post by Zedd on Oct 10, 2019 7:04:04 GMT -5
Hey gold and AU cut in half but whatever. Its free and we may never have another Operations again. So gentleman, I am off to grind some imaginary goodies. Btw I WANT those mercury and falcon skins pretty bad
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 10, 2019 7:07:23 GMT -5
Sigh, I kept hoping they had finally smartened up with Operation Gathering Storm. But, it seems they're getting greedy again. But, at the same time, I'm kind of glad. Now, I won't be tempted to buy the Gold Pass. Other than resources, there's really nothing I really want in the Gold Pass. Sure, I'll get 2 Igniters (I hate flamer weapons), a Corona (I just started leveling my 4th and I don't have a home for it yet), and a Nemesis (this tempts me, but I have no place for it unless I open my 5th hangar deck), and Tyr (ditto, I'd like it, but don't have a place right now). Oh, and Pulsars...well, I'm over the halfway point on my 4th Pulsar in the WS. After I finish it, I don't see the need for more Pulsars because if I get a 5th, then I have to grind for a 6th cause one Pulsar on its own isn't really worth running.
If they hadn't nerfed the resources, I might have bought the Gold Pass again cause I really need silver. But, looks like I'll be slowing down my playing, let my thumbs recover, and take a good long serious look at Mario Kart Tour on my phone!
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Post by rasnov on Oct 10, 2019 8:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by Old-Cat on Oct 10, 2019 8:30:41 GMT -5
Well this suckss. I wanted the the nemesis pilot and skins. I don’t think I’ll buy the pass this time. Pix is gonna pix.
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Post by Grrrega on Oct 10, 2019 8:35:32 GMT -5
Thank you karkooba, very useful.
I'll pass.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 8:43:04 GMT -5
Sigh, I kept hoping they had finally smartened up with Operation Gathering Storm. But, it seems they're getting greedy again. But, at the same time, I'm kind of glad. Now, I won't be tempted to buy the Gold Pass. Other than resources, there's really nothing I really want in the Gold Pass. Sure, I'll get 2 Igniters (I hate flamer weapons), a Corona (I just started leveling my 4th and I don't have a home for it yet), and a Nemesis (this tempts me, but I have no place for it unless I open my 5th hangar deck), and Tyr (ditto, I'd like it, but don't have a place right now). Oh, and Pulsars...well, I'm over the halfway point on my 4th Pulsar in the WS. After I finish it, I don't see the need for more Pulsars because if I get a 5th, then I have to grind for a 6th cause one Pulsar on its own isn't really worth running. If they hadn't nerfed the resources, I might have bought the Gold Pass again cause I really need silver. But, looks like I'll be slowing down my playing, let my thumbs recover, and take a good long serious look at Mario Kart Tour on my phone! All of this, same here. Half the reason I bought Ops Pass last time was to give Pix a vote with my wallet (the only vote that counts) in support of a reasonably high value subscription revenue model rather than the Pay4Power model. Well, they showed me just how much they valued my $14.99 vote (biggest War Robots purchase ever) by releasing Leech and nerfing the hell out of Ops. I feel Ike they basically ignored my vote and rewarded me by kicking me...  Thank you Pix for fully cementing my original opinion of you, and punishing me for thinking that there would be any positive change. |
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 10, 2019 8:43:34 GMT -5
Operation Gathering Storm made sense. It was achievable for me with extra grinding, premium and liberal booster use. Judging from all the DW AJs I'm seeing, it was achievable to many as well. But, Raging Typhoon is just stupid. I'm sure they want to limit the number of people who finishes in order to "balance" the game. But seriously? By limiting increasing the requirement and decreasing the rewards, you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. How many people will cough up the money now that they see just how achievable it is. They're basically shutting out everyone who completed L80 right at the end of the operation. Those people (like me), know that it took everything they had just to finish the Operation, so there's no way we would finish this one. So why would we pay for it?? Not only that, why would we pay for Premium when we know that the Operation requirements went up so high that even Premium won't help us finish it in time?
So, as far as this pay to progress player is concerned, there's no decent ROI this time round. How many other people will feel like me? How much revenue is that down the drain for Pix? Not only that, because I'm so short on silver again, and the grind for silver is becoming more and more of a chore, I'm starting to take another look at other games again. Who knows, maybe this time, I'll actually find something I like better than War Robots.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 10, 2019 9:26:03 GMT -5
Up to level 74 where I ended last time the difference in silver is like 39 million.
That's one level 9 to 10 upgrade in a Corona to level set for my hangar.
I'll either save the money for a Christmas event or just not spend at all...I bet you they'll see this quickly. The spenders will spend. Those on the fence won't. And those that never spent that spent will not.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 10, 2019 9:30:08 GMT -5
I still got it, $15 for me isn't much.
If you play a lot that's still the best value for the $ you can get.
Definitely disappointed that it's less Ag/Au though... I was also hoping for another classic bot rework like "Siege Galahad"
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Post by linearblade on Oct 10, 2019 9:46:43 GMT -5
I still got it, $15 for me isn't much. If you play a lot that's still the best value for the $ you can get. Definitely disappointed that it's less Ag/Au though... I was also hoping for another classic bot rework like "Siege Galahad" Aside from the resource value disappointment, I was particularly disappointed with the lack of unique content from it They really should invest some time into renovating older content. They can even charge for it, and operations would Be a good way to do it. Give a Galahad some extra health, a new look, bigger shields etc. Extra hops Cossack, God the rhino could use some new polygons more than anything |
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Post by shad3z on Oct 10, 2019 9:49:12 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course):
Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass)
Au: 530 or 1990
Keys: 220 or 1060
PC: 2600 or 10700
Boosters: 14 or 49
Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000
Corona comps: 2000 or 10000
Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000
Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary)
Skins: 1 or 5
Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar
So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for:
41M Ag
1460 Au
840 keys
1 Igniter
1 Pulsar
I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins.
So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now...
If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider...
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 9:57:09 GMT -5
I still got it, $15 for me isn't much. If you play a lot that's still the best value for the $ you can get. Definitely disappointed that it's less Ag/Au though... I was also hoping for another classic bot rework like "Siege Galahad" Meh, for me it’s not about the money; $100 could drop out of my wallet and I wouldn’t even notice. I got the last one, but there’s not enough value for me in this one. Don’t need any of the bots, weapons or pilots. I don’t need the silver and my crack supply is still growing. So I’m looking at $15 for <6k gold and a couple of 5% skins. And the heavy nerf just sets off my whole principle of the thing. I’m really surprised they don’t make the final prize REALLY good. IF the Ancient Tyr were significantly better, like 2X healing or 20% faster, I’d be more inclined to jump on the Pass. Hey Pix, offer a Strider w an extra Dash and/or 1s less cooldown next time or Mender w Emergency Aid (20% speed boost when 300m from damaged teammates) and you can have my money. Until then, I’m back to the 1100 gold for $0.99 monthly plan. EDIT - the fact that the more than doubled the Green Crack giveaway really tells you where they want to take this game. |
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Post by spartan44 on Oct 10, 2019 10:01:45 GMT -5
Spent the $15 last time. It was worth it. Not going to spend it this time....pix you get what's happening here? If you give good value people will spend. Try the ole bait and switch and wallets close. They just don't get it and I fear they never will.
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Post by Shockwave on Oct 10, 2019 10:05:47 GMT -5
I knew the first operation was to good for them to do it again.
From 2,400 to 980 free gold.
「fluffernutter」 Pixonic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:15:35 GMT -5
Phil to Stan, “we make forum cry like baby with operation nerf”.
Stan to Phil, “not Bob Dylan, he always look on bright side. Galahad, too much funny that one. We do that one next time.”
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Post by linearblade on Oct 10, 2019 10:17:09 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course): Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass) Au: 530 or 1990 Keys: 220 or 1060 PC: 2600 or 10700 Boosters: 14 or 49 Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000 Corona comps: 2000 or 10000 Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000 Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary) Skins: 1 or 5 Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for: 41M Ag 1460 Au 840 keys 1 Igniter 1 Pulsar I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins. So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now... If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider... I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:23:07 GMT -5
I still got it, $15 for me isn't much. If you play a lot that's still the best value for the $ you can get. Definitely disappointed that it's less Ag/Au though... I was also hoping for another classic bot rework like "Siege Galahad" Just to clarify for anyone new on the boards, Bob always gets premium each month (correct me if I am wrong) for $15/month. That is the best value with the extra Ag. This operations would be on top of that. IMO we don't know where people will get to on this event since OXP requirements aren't fully known. I would hold off until we get more information. |
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Post by shad3z on Oct 10, 2019 10:25:12 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course): Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass) Au: 530 or 1990 Keys: 220 or 1060 PC: 2600 or 10700 Boosters: 14 or 49 Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000 Corona comps: 2000 or 10000 Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000 Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary) Skins: 1 or 5 Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for: 41M Ag 1460 Au 840 keys 1 Igniter 1 Pulsar I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins. So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now... If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider... I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. How is this brutal?  - Top 2 player: I usually end up in the top 3 - Playing a lot: I average between 5 and 10 matches per day - Low champ: been in Champions League for 3 months, have less than 700 wins and 837 winged cups Whether or not any of that is a factor to make this a good deal or bad, I'm not so sure. Based on the pass gets you extra on level 60, I'd call it a mediocre deal by itself. Based on comparing it to what 15 bucks got you in the first operation, it's a bad deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:26:16 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course): Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass) Au: 530 or 1990 Keys: 220 or 1060 PC: 2600 or 10700 Boosters: 14 or 49 Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000 Corona comps: 2000 or 10000 Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000 Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary) Skins: 1 or 5 Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for: 41M Ag 1460 Au 840 keys 1 Igniter 1 Pulsar I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins. So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now... If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider... I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. That's my gut feel at this point. Since you can retroactively get all the premium prizes I think it makes the most sense for everyone to wait on spending $ at this point. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course): Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass) Au: 530 or 1990 Keys: 220 or 1060 PC: 2600 or 10700 Boosters: 14 or 49 Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000 Corona comps: 2000 or 10000 Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000 Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary) Skins: 1 or 5 Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for: 41M Ag 1460 Au 840 keys 1 Igniter 1 Pulsar I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins. So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now... If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider... I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. I play a lot, too much, and sitting in mid Champions League 3 atm. I ran stats on 50 recent games and finished an average of top 1.25, win or lose. But this round just doesn’t have enough in it FOR ME. Maybe next time. And I’m gonna keep banging this drum: I find it disturbing that they more than doubled the green crack rewards in both free and paid paths. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:40:54 GMT -5
I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. I play a lot, too much, and sitting in mid Champions League 3 atm. I ran stats on 50 recent games and finished an average of top 1.25, win or lose. But this round just doesnâ??t have enough in it FOR ME. Maybe next time. And Iâ??m gonna keep banging this drum: I find it disturbing that they more than doubled the green crack rewards in both free and paid paths. I changed jobs in August, and while I can play some here and there, I donâ??t have the time I used to have. With this in mind, Iâ??ll pass this time around. Either way, I can still get, on average 5-6 beacons per game against strong competition. Iâ??ve hit 15 twice. I went nearly one year without spending and could do it again and not miss a beat. Yep, Iâ??m 100% ?Deutsche?bag bragging again, but also making this one point (Hello Pixonic), incentivize your customers generously (like last time) and we just might spend money on Phildos. Bait/switch etc. (like you predictably do each and every time) and I might just phase shift my wallet. Just sayin. |
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