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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Sept 12, 2019 11:16:54 GMT -5
Honestly I think Tyr surpassed the turtle when the pilot came out. Mender fans may not like me saying that Not even close. Tyr is still terrible even with the pilot. Mender can realistically brawl against any other bot and win or walk away. Tyr has no ability to brawl against top meta bots and push into beacons etc. Don't get me wrong, Tyr is a fantastic midrange support bot but that's the extent of it. shivaswrath Brawling is how you win matches, forcing territory and winning in isolated 1v1 situations. The combination of speed, damage reduction and quick healing is why Mender wins out of those three every time. People might call me biased, but there's no downside to leveling up a Mender. Not only is it very strong it's also an AG farming machine.
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Sept 12, 2019 11:25:49 GMT -5
I am running both Tyr and Mender
I use orkan/blaze for the Tyr, and run it as support for retribution bots (to counter Loki and pursuer) and tanks. It seems okay for the purpose I’m using it for. Solo, it dies pretty fast.
I was never good at timing attack runs with Mender until Phase Shift came out... that has been a huge crutch and gives you so much room for error, I put it back on my main hangar.
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Post by kingjames4 on Sept 12, 2019 11:31:34 GMT -5
Honestly I think Tyr surpassed the turtle when the pilot came out. Mender fans may not like me saying that Not even close. Tyr is still terrible even with the pilot. Mender can realistically brawl against any other bot and win or walk away. Tyr has no ability to brawl against top meta bots and push into beacons etc. Don't get me wrong, Tyr is a fantastic midrange support bot but that's the extent of it. Sorry but I don't agree. Tyr has more health then a Mender plus a physical shield, more firepower, and a better pilot. A properly piloted Tyr can take down most Ares builds because of its physical shield. It's happened to me :/ I haven't piloted any of the healing bots (not my cup of tea) but I voted for Tyr because it's been the toughest to go against for me.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Sept 12, 2019 11:42:36 GMT -5
Not even close. Tyr is still terrible even with the pilot. Mender can realistically brawl against any other bot and win or walk away. Tyr has no ability to brawl against top meta bots and push into beacons etc. Don't get me wrong, Tyr is a fantastic midrange support bot but that's the extent of it. Sorry but I don't agree. Tyr has more health then a Mender plus a physical shield, more firepower, and a better pilot. A properly piloted Tyr can take down most Ares builds because of its physical shield. It's happened to me :/ I haven't piloted any of the healing bots (not my cup of tea) but I voted for Tyr because it's been the toughest to go against for me. Well, it doesn't have more health if you count damage reduction. Sure if you catch one in the open with it's pants down that the fault of the player not the bot. The same can be said about an Ares without a shield ready or an Ao Jun that can't take off. Mender can essentially double it's health while healing it and run at over 90 kmh during its speed boost.
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Post by kingjames4 on Sept 12, 2019 11:55:15 GMT -5
Sorry but I don't agree. Tyr has more health then a Mender plus a physical shield, more firepower, and a better pilot. A properly piloted Tyr can take down most Ares builds because of its physical shield. It's happened to me :/ I haven't piloted any of the healing bots (not my cup of tea) but I voted for Tyr because it's been the toughest to go against for me. Well, it doesn't have more health if you count damage reduction. Sure if you catch one in the open with it's pants down that the fault of the player not the bot. The same can be said about an Ares without a shield ready or an Ao Jun that can't take off. Mender can essentially double it's health while healing it and run at over 90 kmh during its speed boost. To me this is like comparing an Invader to a Fenrir; for a 5 second period of time the Invader/Mender is much better, but for the rest of the time the Fenrir/Tyr is better. I guess it depends on playing style, but I would rather have the more consistent bot that is better for 20 out of 25 seconds as opposed to the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:10:49 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I am counting on the Leech to be a reason the healing bots will become more of a popular in game asset within a team to boost healing for bots who have had the health sucked from them. I currently have 2 L9 menders and have now started levelling up the Weyland I have (it's your fault after seeing your video ) As soon as your allies ares lays into a leech which is locked into you, you will change your mind. 65% of an ares milk shower is still fatal to almost everything. And trust me, since he still doing damage , and it’s not targeting him, he will definitely do it. This will be far worse than the shocktrain (stand around corner and your moron blue random gets pegged by 3 spectres killing half your team) because he walks out of cover like a dimwit I see your point but the same will apply to any bot really. Look at all of the morons who continue to shoot at the Ares shields after all this time. IMO the Leech is being released by Pix to make players use resources in greater numbers like PC's to heal after the health drain occurs and buy/improve defensive boosters etc. I don't think the bot really serves any other useful purpose based on it's current configuration (e.g. it only has 3 mediums in an evolving tank meta). As an example a lot of players will more than likely drop the healing module and go for the Advanced Healing version sucking down twice as many PC's and possibly more frequently as before. This is why I think the healers will come to the fore more as the repairs are PC free essentially and will mitigate the PC drain that is sure to occur.
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Post by shivaswrath on Sept 12, 2019 18:26:53 GMT -5
Ok seems like for my style the mender might be better. I love the strider and other fast bots, and also like brawling, so will do True Ace (500 gold) Road Hog (1000 gold) Spy (1500 gold) and would have a bot that is about 60 in speed and has 13k in healing per pulse in healing.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 12, 2019 23:13:11 GMT -5
As soon as your allies ares lays into a leech which is locked into you, you will change your mind. 65% of an ares milk shower is still fatal to almost everything. And trust me, since he still doing damage , and it’s not targeting him, he will definitely do it. This will be far worse than the shocktrain (stand around corner and your moron blue random gets pegged by 3 spectres killing half your team) because he walks out of cover like a dimwit I see your point but the same will apply to any bot really. Look at all of the morons who continue to shoot at the Ares shields after all this time. IMO the Leech is being released by Pix to make players use resources in greater numbers like PC's to heal after the health drain occurs and buy/improve defensive boosters etc. I don't think the bot really serves any other useful purpose based on it's current configuration (e.g. it only has 3 mediums in an evolving tank meta). As an example a lot of players will more than likely drop the healing module and go for the Advanced Healing version sucking down twice as many PC's and possibly more frequently as before. This is why I think the healers will come to the fore more as the repairs are PC free essentially and will mitigate the PC drain that is sure to occur. Pix might want that but if they aren’t careful they are gonna drain the game of playerbase instead of money from the playerbase
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Sept 12, 2019 23:34:37 GMT -5
Ok seems like for my style the mender might be better. I love the strider and other fast bots, and also like brawling, so will do True Ace (500 gold) Road Hog (1000 gold) Spy (1500 gold) and would have a bot that is about 60 in speed and has 13k in healing per pulse in healing. You have to have deft survivor and true ace on Mender for sure. After that stock up on speed, but the first two are what make it tick.
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Post by T34 on Sept 13, 2019 1:19:49 GMT -5
Murder turtle…. Ha ha. Looks more like a cockroach with severed legs. I just don’t like playing with em despite having 5. Weyland is an interesting beast but not riveting to play with IMO. It is awesome to have when you need frequent visits to the toilette or have kids around who you must attend to during a game. Tyr is the one I’d love and am collecting one now.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 13, 2019 4:28:36 GMT -5
Mender is best from a pure repair standpoint. I like the Weyland too, but think that the Tyr is a lot better (shield and mobility make up for less repair potential and HP). All have to be played carefully. Players who say they suck usually play them as tanks, which is a big mistake. Look where your allies are going, look where the action will be, learn where you can set up efficient repair points.
My decision would probably be based on what weapons I have available, as they are even more expensive than the bots. In your primary hangar I'd probably switch out the Bulwark and go with Ember Weyland instead. If you want to switch out the Spectre, go Tyr.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 13, 2019 4:34:56 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't have more health if you count damage reduction. Sure if you catch one in the open with it's pants down that the fault of the player not the bot. The same can be said about an Ares without a shield ready or an Ao Jun that can't take off. Mender can essentially double it's health while healing it and run at over 90 kmh during its speed boost. To me this is like comparing an Invader to a Fenrir; for a 5 second period of time the Invader/Mender is much better, but for the rest of the time the Fenrir/Tyr is better. I guess it depends on playing style, but I would rather have the more consistent bot that is better for 20 out of 25 seconds as opposed to the other way around. That's not correct as far as healing allies is concerned. Burst healing is much better as it may save yourself and allies who are under attack, and allied bots don't tend to to stand around 30 seconds waiting to be healed. Constant healing (with more net healing per second) is better if you're primarily looking to heal yourself though.
Mobility is so important. I never played the Tyr, but the 3 seconds to switch the Ability on and off for the Weyland is a bummer. It takes an eternity to move into cover if you're in healing mode, and if you see an ally in need of healing and activate the ability the ally will probably be far away once your'e set up. So all you can do is set yourself up where allies can take advantage of it, and that's fairly hard on most close range maps - either you're exposed (lower center in Moon) and will get killed by any Ares or Ao Jun that wants to kill you, or you're in cover but usually too far away from the action. I would consider a Weyland for a long range hangar though, as there are usually 1-2 Dragoon allies that may benefit from healing.
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Post by bravex on Sept 13, 2019 5:12:59 GMT -5
I tried Tyr. I didn't like it. Good firepower but I found him frustratingly slow. I was always dragging my metal behind around the battlefield trying to catch up to players who need heals.
Others may disagree but it just didnt work for me. Possibly Mender is a better choice because he is a speedy runner
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 6:09:28 GMT -5
Tyr seems woefully underpowered. They all melt really fast.
Mender is still a good healer, but not able to handle meta bots or Tanks.
I run a weyland. Everything said about it is true. But it still beats the Mender in certain departments. In the Tank heavy meta, weyland shines. I don't care what others say, but even the mighty fenrir cannot take my weyland on 1v1. I fought a S clan MK2 Fenrir today, so still not gonna happen.
Weyland is really good at holding beacons and last stands. I don't mean the LSTD mods. I mean being 5 capped on canyon, and popping my heal with all the blues huddled at spawn. Also, i'd take the healing of the wey on maps like carrier and other trench warfare. Its continuous healing can't be beat. Slow and steady wins the race (healing).
If your not playing one of the meta powerhouses, then you gotta play to your bots strengths. Just saying your bot is better doesn't cut it in champs, cause some red will know how to take you out.
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Post by rasnov on Sept 13, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -5
I have in each hangar a supporter because i love to play Mender or Weyland.
Tyr is in my opinion not really a supporter even with new pilot. Tyr and Pilot for Tyr are maxed but i don't put it to any hangar for supporting. For me its more a better selfhealing for a powerfull bot.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 16, 2019 18:55:12 GMT -5
Of course the day they announce a rebalance to Tyr I finish my Mender... and in the first game boom all this honor
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:04:15 GMT -5
Of course the day they announce a rebalance to Tyr I finish my Mender... and in the first game boom all this honor No worries my friend, you can still WS or win a Tyr......why not?
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 16, 2019 19:57:54 GMT -5
F that man, my Mender has been literally Killing it in Champions League at level 1...how is this bot that good??? I got raided by some POS clan and was too honor and healing thanks to my murder turtle. Screw the Tyr...?
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