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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:22:31 GMT -5
I've put together this thread to give players a reasonable idea on how hard they will need to play in order to get the items that they want from the free and pay operations chains. I've played hard over the past couple of days and am currently at level 71. I hope to get to 80 in about a week or so. Assuming that Pixonic doesn't have something sneaky at the really high levels I know how much OXP you need for each level and I can project how many games you will need to play per day over the 48 day period to achieve a certain level.
So as to the OXP required for each level here it is:
Levels 2-11 = 50 OXP per level Levels 12-21 = 100 OXP Levels 22-31 = 200 OXP Levels 32-41 = 350 OXP Levels 42-51 = 600 OXP Levels 52-61 = 1100 OXP Levels 62-71 = 2000 OXP Levels 72-80 = 4000 OXP (only have the one for level 72 as of now)
So this means if you want to get everything on the entire free chain you need a total of 22900 OXP. If you earn 100 OXP per game you're looking at 229 games over 48 days or about 5 games per day. If you earn 50 OXP per game double that, and if you earn 200 OXP halve that.
The pay chain is much worse if you want to get to the end. You need 80000 OXP. So going back to the example, you would need 800 games (17 games/day) if you earn 100 OXP/game. However, maybe you don't care about the final prizes and are happy only going to level 70. In that case it would be 42000 OXP (420 games / 9 games per day at 100 OXP per game). Getting those last prizes is going to take some effort.
I am going to create some additional posts below this one for various topics:
a) Analysis of free chain b) Analysis of pay chain c) Excel scenario tester (you enter how many games per day you play and how much OXP you get per game; the spreadsheet tells you how much loot you get for that effort) d) Discussion of other items such as premium pay vs. normal pay, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:22:48 GMT -5
The table below shows how much cumulative loot you get from the free chain at each level achieved. It also shows how many total OXP you'll need to get to each level and about how many games you'll need to play per day to get there assuming 100 OXP per game (again, if you earn 50 OXP per game, double it and if you earn 200 OXP per game halve that). As an example of how to read the chart, if you really want that Ao Guang skin at level 40, you will need a total of 6650 OXP which will require playing an average of 1.4 games per day at 100 OXP/game. Along with that skin, you will get: a) 350 keys b) 1250 PCs c) 25M Ag d) 1000 Au e) 7 attack boosters f) 7 durability boosters g) 2 Ag boosters h) 1 generic pilot i) one Griffin j) 2 Pinata k) the Fujin skin and your Ao Guang skin
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:22:59 GMT -5
Here is the same thing for the pay chain:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:23:13 GMT -5
Here is the link to the scenario tester: www.dropbox.com/s/4sl7n1vqe3gcop3/Operations%20Pts%202019-08-18.xlsx?dl=0To use this, go to the "Scenario Testing" tab and enter the average games you plan to play per day (cell B2) and the average OXP you get per game (B3). Below that you'll see what level you will make it to (B6) along with the loot you'll get from the free and pay chains. Here's a screen capture showing what you would expect if you play an average of 10 games per day (roughly 60-90 minutes per day) and get about 150 OXP per game. You'll make it to level 78 and will almost get everything there is but will miss out on the Ao Jun and 1000 Au.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -5
I'll probably add to this post as time goes on but here are some musings:
a) The premium pass costs $10 USD more than the standard pass. As far as I know, the only difference is the premium one gives you 2000 OXP. If you're in this for the long game, it really isn't worth it as you need 80000 OXP to get to level 80. Saving 2.5% of the grind time for $10 is a waste.
b) On the "Operation Gathering Storm" page in War Robots you have the option to Boost your OXP for $. Pix want $100 for 16000 OXP. You need 80000 OXP to complete the pay chain so essentially Pix will sell you that chain for $500 USD. No way. Even adding up all the loot you get doesn't get you to $500 worth of stuff.
c) People in lower leagues should really wait a bit before getting in on the pay chain. See how things are progressing and keep in mind that the OXP required to get to level 69 is exactly the same as required to go from 69 to 80. The nature of this thing is that getting those last levels will require a lot of work, and you can be lulled into a feeling that this is easy to achieve when just starting out.
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Post by StoneTempIePilot on Aug 18, 2019 15:18:52 GMT -5
Is the 10 battles with +50% OXP factored in here too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 15:21:40 GMT -5
Is the 10 battles with +50% OXP factored in here too? I didn't try and capture that so it would be a little bit better than what I show.
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Post by bloodynipples on Aug 18, 2019 15:23:12 GMT -5
Outstanding bud!
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Post by CarlosDanger on Aug 18, 2019 15:41:00 GMT -5
This is good. Are the 40 OXP boosters you earn along the way factored in or are they insignificant? Does anyone know how much the boosters grant?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 15:56:11 GMT -5
This is good. Are the 40 OXP boosters you earn along the way factored in or are they insignificant? Does anyone know how much the boosters grant? I ignored them. I think they were 50%. I was am only averaging something like 150-200 OXP per game.
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Post by linearblade on Aug 18, 2019 16:12:15 GMT -5
This is good. Are the 40 OXP boosters you earn along the way factored in or are they insignificant? Does anyone know how much the boosters grant? I ignored them. I think they were 50%. I was am only averaging something like 150-200 OXP per game. Very similar to what I am getting
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Post by inspirace on Aug 18, 2019 16:16:58 GMT -5
This is good. Are the 40 OXP boosters you earn along the way factored in or are they insignificant? Does anyone know how much the boosters grant? I ignored them. I think they were 50%. I was am only averaging something like 150-200 OXP per game. Great job. I think there are also “Daily Challenges”, which I think give 50 OXP/day (don’t know whether the value would change but today it was 50 OXPs). For 2 months (60 days), that will be ... 3000 OXPs? If I pay, I will probably just stop at level 66 (Spectre pilot) or 70 (Tyr pilot, just in case I got one in the future). Not interested in the final prize, ...
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Post by linearblade on Aug 18, 2019 16:42:56 GMT -5
I ignored them. I think they were 50%. I was am only averaging something like 150-200 OXP per game. Great job. I think there are also “Daily Challenges”, which I think give 50 OXP/day (don’t know whether the value would change but today it was 50 OXPs). For 2 months (60 days), that will be ... 3000 OXPs? If I pay, I will probably just stop at level 66 (Spectre pilot) or 70 (Tyr pilot, just in case I got one in the future). Not interested in the final prize, ... Well, I certainly want a 9th Ao Jun
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 18, 2019 16:58:53 GMT -5
This is awesome for me...I wanted the AG and blitz skin so it seems like 5-6 a day for me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 17:31:43 GMT -5
@happyfunball Thanks for doing all the work to put this together. I think the average punter would have lofty expectations as to what they will achieve based on early results. This thread and your summation certainly provides a lot of clarity and, more importantly, perspective on what can be achieved within the timeframe allocated, particularly for the average plodder. I also think it's relevant to thank you at this time for your broader efforts in the work you have put in, not only this thread but a number of others, to assist in informing the player base. Between yourself & krebby there has been some really useful knowledge and tools developed. From me to you....well done and much appreciated.
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Post by Luk on Aug 18, 2019 17:34:13 GMT -5
Thank you for this awesome job. Just to confirm, getting to 79 lvl of the paid chain nets you 10900 gold ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 17:46:40 GMT -5
Thank you for this awesome job. Just to confirm, getting to 79 lvl of the paid chain nets you 10900 gold ? Including the free path, yes.
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Post by $$SupportsNewHires/NewContent on Aug 18, 2019 18:37:31 GMT -5
Does the task reset after reaching level 60 ? If it does I will consider grinding the inaugural Operation gathering storm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 18:47:17 GMT -5
Does the task reset after reaching level 60 ? If it does I will consider grinding the inaugural Operation gathering storm. Nope
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Post by SᴴᴬᴹᴾᴼᴼBᴬᴺᴰᴵᵀ ᴍᴅ on Aug 18, 2019 18:48:48 GMT -5
Great resource! Thank you sir
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Post by zombiecyborg on Aug 18, 2019 19:52:07 GMT -5
How do we find out how much OXP we are earning per battle? I must have missed where it is shown.....
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Post by mystic spastic on Aug 18, 2019 19:52:33 GMT -5
Just as an FYI for those in lower leagues:
I was averaging 55 OXP per battle in my main Masters 3 account, over 10 battles without boosts. More like 80 with the boosts. In my Gold 1, two bot smurf account, it was closer to 25 OXP per battle, no OXP boosts.
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Post by mystic spastic on Aug 18, 2019 19:54:46 GMT -5
How do we find out how much OXP we are earning per battle? I must have missed where it is shown..... I don't think it's shown. I was taking my progress before and after every battle in order to determine just how much was earned during a battle.
I also noted that it took very close to 20 Honor points to make 1 OXP. The exact ratio varied per battle, but ran from 19.12 to 20.50 Honor points to make 1 OXP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 20:29:45 GMT -5
How do we find out how much OXP we are earning per battle? I must have missed where it is shown..... You have to look at the operations screen before a battle to see where you are and then do the same after the game to see where you went. It is in the progress bar underneath the "Operation Gathering Storm" banner. It will say something like "1015/2000 OXP" on the right side of the bar.
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Post by cfunk on Aug 18, 2019 23:08:47 GMT -5
Great work BUT I can’t help but feel the subsequent operations payouts will worsen to the point similar to the supply drops where it whittled down to silver every 20 hours.
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Post by Grrrega on Aug 18, 2019 23:55:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the work you put into this! Great info.
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Post by zombiewolf907 on Aug 19, 2019 0:59:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. Just playing my normal amount and am at Lvl 55. Already feel the $15 was wort it. Would not spend the additional $10. I will be interesting to see how far I get but certainly will not grind for any levels.
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Post by Koko Bop on Aug 19, 2019 2:56:01 GMT -5
Appreciate your work - I’d *never* have done that....
A slightly different perspective on the experience: I joined up just before the Wild Bunch launched, wasted most of the first year just blowing up things, then got serious and started trying to figure it out. While I’ve had good periods, when I was winning enough to keep up with upgrades, it was jolly, but those windows got fewer, smaller, and further apart, in terms of what I could take advantage of. Lotsa stories like that.
So here’s me teetering on the edge of Masters, my creaking dashbots ready to retire, *still* trying to level up my weapons, selling off old gear to buy the next upgrade, we get a couple of not-awful events, and suddenly I see the chance of vaulting into the back of the middle of the pack...in maybe a year or less...great. Cool stuff, strange new weapons.
Since Ops, I’ve gotten in a bunch of upgrades this weekend, including a tempest while be my first L12 in 3 years; I still have 24mil Ag and expect to get 12 more tomorrow from Ops. Spent down my gold to nothing rushing thru module upgrades (tip o’ the hat to whoever here made the emphatic point here in the forum), and my last level gave me 400 more. I don’t play much on the weekends, but I’ve already reached level 32. I get OXP from battles, I have +50% bonus OXP from VIP, and the OXP boosters are per-battle and seem to stack automatically. So I clear a level every 2-4 games..
For me, still developing, this is a huge change, and honestly I never though we’d ever get so well-treated by Pix (no apologies due yet). This is like being able to sit up after squeezing thru a crack in a rock for days.... it’s frankly transformed my attitude toward the game, which was not good, and the entire backend process of managing acquisitions and upgrades, load-outs seems much easier to approach.
I get you about the increasing need for OXP to clear levels, but we clear some fairly ridiculous hurdles trying to open chests already. As for the buy-ahead option, it seems no different from buying event coins and hoping: the price points are exactly the same. I spent $50 on the last events, and came away pleased with the outcome. By comparison, Ops is ALL payout, and (so far) no real surprises. I spent half that on the pass and I’m amazed so far. If I decide at some point that I’d rather buy ahead on those last levels so I can catch Darkwing Duck, well, that’s between me, my budget, and my creditors. If some guppy is tired of tailwash and wants to swim with the bigger fish it’s all good.
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 19, 2019 6:45:32 GMT -5
I spent the $14.99 this morning...figured I could get to 60 since I'm at 23 after a weekend and they would nerf it next time.
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Post by CarlosDanger on Aug 19, 2019 7:19:36 GMT -5
I spent the $14.99 this morning...figured I could get to 60 since I'm at 23 after a weekend and they would nerf it next time. Agree 100%. This update is so generous to the players I can’t possibly imagine it will stay this way. It will either get nerfed after season or next update. I’m willing to bet someone has already gotten fired over it. Pix has nerfed the economy and reward system to the point most folks are at a complete standstill in development. This update is completely out of character. Wish an insider would shed some light on what is going on at Pix.
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