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Post by railbait on Aug 16, 2019 21:40:24 GMT -5
Stick a fork in him, he's done. My favorite ambush bot. The first thing I made in Workshop 2.0. So now that gusts are a "sustained damage" weapon all he can do is scratch the paint on another bot and then run like a 「female dog」. I'll either have to shelve him for awhile or steal the Halos from the Mercury. *sigh*
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Post by atreyu888 on Aug 16, 2019 21:46:35 GMT -5
Get the shot grouping skill, it makes it a totally different weapon. You can poke efficiently at 300, and when you do charge in you will do more damage assuming your aim is up to par.
Definitely not the same bot it used to be but effective nonetheless.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 16, 2019 22:01:50 GMT -5
Yup, shelved mine. Those things peter out fast now - bad news for that playstyle. A shame, this build was a real killer.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 16, 2019 22:11:10 GMT -5
Oook, before speaking broadly to the community saying its crap, you need to at least share what kind of enhancements you are using to support your assassin bot.
Passive modules Active module Pilot skills Boosters
and what level is your gear and what league?
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Post by inspirace on Aug 16, 2019 22:22:55 GMT -5
You know, I just replaced the Orkan Haechi (level 11 Mk1) with a Blitz and I am loving it!! I brought back some old Magnums and paired with under-leveled Shredders. This is my v5.3 hangar #1 for smaller maps: EDIT: sorry I thought the OP was lamenting about Gust Blitz ... my bad ... ignore post,
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Post by mechtout on Aug 16, 2019 22:48:49 GMT -5
not that bad bro, you need to recharge them and have shorter bursts, but still usable
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Post by marlock on Aug 16, 2019 23:55:34 GMT -5
Get the shot grouping skill, it makes it a totally different weapon. You can poke efficiently at 300, and when you do charge in you will do more damage assuming your aim is up to par. Definitely not the same bot it used to be but effective nonetheless. I'm levelling up my Blitz, and I'm planning to use my MK1 LvL 12 Gusts with the shot grouping skill until I have some better gear for it. That video that Manni did about it really opened up my eyes. Even with the nerf, four levelled Gusts do enough damage to kill or cripple most bots. Honestly, it's not that different from the play style that you have to use with Halos. Don't get me wrong, I think that the nerf sucks, but it's still a usable weapon.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 17, 2019 14:06:54 GMT -5
Oook, before speaking broadly to the community saying its crap, you need to at least share what kind of enhancements you are using to support your assassin bot. Passive modules Active module Pilot skills Boosters and what level is your gear and what league? Level 9 bot, mk1 lv12 gusts Two level 4 nukes One level 1 AC Pilot skills: road hog and armor expert Don’t use boosts Champions League about 5600 Not telling others not to run it, just saying it’s a very noticeable drop off in effectiveness for me. Had a lv 7 strider on the bench but couldn’t pull the trigger to yank the pursuer yet because it regularly racked up 3+ kills per game. Not getting that level of play now, and don’t want to pour Au into it to try and even out the decline - so strider gets the call up. I also think the loss of sustained burst with it hurts more than the Ork nerf. I also run an Ork Haechi and that’s still doing alright because the burst is faster to unload and dash/Ancile give me wiggle room to dump and escape. For those who can still run it at the same effectiveness as before the nerf, a hat tip to your superior skill.
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Post by atreyu888 on Aug 17, 2019 18:55:18 GMT -5
Get the shot grouping skill, it makes it a totally different weapon. You can poke efficiently at 300, and when you do charge in you will do more damage assuming your aim is up to par. Definitely not the same bot it used to be but effective nonetheless. I'm levelling up my Blitz, and I'm planning to use my MK1 LvL 12 Gusts with the shot grouping skill until I have some better gear for it. That video that Manni did about it really opened up my eyes. Even with the nerf, four levelled Gusts do enough damage to kill or cripple most bots. Honestly, it's not that different from the play style that you have to use with Halos. Don't get me wrong, I think that the nerf sucks, but it's still a usable weapon. Yup I watched that vid too... Very informative. And your comment about the halos is exactly right. You have to play gusts just like you do halos now. Poke first then attack. To the OP, if your looking for a killer, there is no way a strider is going to match up with a pursuer level per level.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 17, 2019 20:55:22 GMT -5
Compared to Gust Blitz, yeah I think a Gust Pursuer took a bigger hit with this nerf. One less Gust makes the lesser ammo really stand out and you really have to make sure you don't miss full salvos. Maybe try cycle fire?
One of my fave Pursuer builds before I grinded out 3 Halos was Sparks. That was because I had a hard time keeping the crosshairs on target while running like a bat outta hell. If you have 3 Sparks, give it try and see if it's worth running and canabalizing off from other builds.
I guess I'm lucky in that I had other options and Avenger/Gust Mercury isn't that much different from before. When they nerf the Avenger, I'll be in REAL trouble! LOL, or maybe I'll switch to my Viper which has been shelved ever since I shelved my Hades.
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Post by Nitro on Aug 18, 2019 14:45:16 GMT -5
RIP Gusts Replaced with Halo and trying to get shot grouping for them now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 16:30:10 GMT -5
full disclosure?.. i HATE that little roach build. any of my bots with Quantum Radar.. was strictly for THEM.. so im not mad about the insect killer that just got sprayed on it lol
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Post by hi5 on Aug 18, 2019 17:04:13 GMT -5
full disclosure?.. i HATE that little roach build. any of my bots with Quantum Radar.. was strictly for THEM.. so im not mad about the insect killer that just got sprayed on it lol Just the gust variety? Cause I’m betting spark and halo builds will be thick in a few weeks.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Aug 18, 2019 17:05:57 GMT -5
Little roach build
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Post by atreyu888 on Aug 18, 2019 18:19:35 GMT -5
full disclosure?.. i HATE that little roach build. any of my bots with Quantum Radar.. was strictly for THEM.. so im not mad about the insect killer that just got sprayed on it lol Just the gust variety? Cause I’m betting spark and halo builds will be thick in a few weeks. Yeah I've been running all halos for quite a while now and it is far more formidable than the gust pursuer. You get higher burst dps and the lockdown rate with 3 halos is ridiculous.
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Post by #1 worst pilot on Aug 19, 2019 7:50:14 GMT -5
Get the shot grouping skill, it makes it a totally different weapon. You can poke efficiently at 300, and when you do charge in you will do more damage assuming your aim is up to par. Definitely not the same bot it used to be but effective nonetheless. I'm levelling up my Blitz, and I'm planning to use my MK1 LvL 12 Gusts with the shot grouping skill until I have some better gear for it. That video that Manni did about it really opened up my eyes. Even with the nerf, four levelled Gusts do enough damage to kill or cripple most bots. Honestly, it's not that different from the play style that you have to use with Halos. Don't get me wrong, I think that the nerf sucks, but it's still a usable weapon. I took my gusts off for a short time and replaced them with spark. So a shredder/spark build...i did horrible. Put the gust back on (level 10 and 11) (Shredders level 8) with 2 level 4 nukes, and master gunsmith. Blitz level 8. Its not as all around evil as it was before. But with a little more planning, it still wrecks. I have a flamethrower build cooking right now. I have seen it wreck but its a ways off. Id say its still my strongest build behind my merc.
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Post by 𝖉𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖍 on Aug 19, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -5
Can someone that switched from Gusts to Halo on their Pursuer please explain why they're better?
The Gust now have the same firing rate as the Halo so the only difference I see is a slight increase in damage per shot assuming they're at the same level and the chance of root.
Are the Halos worth dumping a ridiculous amount of Ag into or would it not be cheaper/as effective to just take the Gusts up to MK2 L12? Lockdown Ammo would make up for the root chance if one didn't need the Repair mod.
Just my thoughts at this point but would like to know if I'm heading in the wrong direction.
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 19, 2019 9:45:53 GMT -5
I've changed my Pursuer tactics to deal with the change, but it is definitely annoying.
Full disclosure, mine looks like:
lvl 10 Pursuer lvl 12 mk1 gusts 2 lvl4 nukes 1 lvl3 armor kit pilot skillz: Deft Survivor Sharpshooter Road Hog
The Sharpshooter has kept it relevant because I can finish people off that think they're hiding, but as stated, it doesn't have the finishing power it does before. Even a Death Mark won't add enough to seal the deal. Maybe if I Mk2 them, but that experiment is too expensive.
Long term, I'm going to eventually get Shredders. I'd love Halos too, but I like the idea of reclaiming the sharpshooter ability for a Mechanic, Gunsmith or Armor Expert skill.
Any pilots around put on Magnums? I've seen one pilot do it and I've got 3 mk1 lvl12 Magnums laying around. Thinking about trying to relive the old mag/Gep days, but on steroids! I'd love to hear anyone's experience and feedback.
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Post by Humunculus on Aug 19, 2019 9:52:47 GMT -5
I run 3x mags on mine because thats all I have, so its all that I have ever ran and dont know what its like to use anything else on a pursuer. To me its like that little engine that could. You wont wreck folks, but because that bot is so nimble and speedy, you can run around just pew-pewing non stop. Mine are mk1 lvl 11, and that constant pew-pewing does add up. I try to find a good match up for me, then hang around there till someone is dead. Then I move on. I really dont have the ability yet to make 3 shredders/Halos and then level them up. For me, this is fun and I dont mind it. I even might take them to lvl 12 just because with the time its taking to work on other items, this is my build for a while. Hope that helps.
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 19, 2019 10:52:22 GMT -5
I run 3x mags on mine because thats all I have, so its all that I have ever ran and dont know what its like to use anything else on a pursuer. To me its like that little engine that could. You wont wreck folks, but because that bot is so nimble and speedy, you can run around just pew-pewing non stop. Mine are mk1 lvl 11, and that constant pew-pewing does add up. I try to find a good match up for me, then hang around there till someone is dead. Then I move on. I really dont have the ability yet to make 3 shredders/Halos and then level them up. For me, this is fun and I dont mind it. I even might take them to lvl 12 just because with the time its taking to work on other items, this is my build for a while. Hope that helps. Actually that's great, thanks! If you don't mind my asking, what league do you play in? It helps me to know what type of bots you're used to seeing. I'm usually looking at Ao Jun, Ares and all the meta bots in Champions League.
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Post by Humunculus on Aug 19, 2019 11:07:25 GMT -5
Expert 1, right at the edge of masters. I see plenty of strong opponents, way too strong for me. So I need to be patient and look for reds that I can engage. My skills are just some randoms, havent spent gold yet for the ones I want. I use Lockdown Ammo, and 3 nuclear reactors, all just lvl 1. I really like this bot, even with the mags. Sure, shredders would be awesome but that would take me months. The mags arent that bad. I might end up running them for a long time because I left the game when the dash bots arrived and returned a few months ago. I have plenty to catch up on so running mags is ok.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 19, 2019 11:13:02 GMT -5
I run 3x mags on mine because thats all I have, so its all that I have ever ran and dont know what its like to use anything else on a pursuer. To me its like that little engine that could. You wont wreck folks, but because that bot is so nimble and speedy, you can run around just pew-pewing non stop. Mine are mk1 lvl 11, and that constant pew-pewing does add up. I try to find a good match up for me, then hang around there till someone is dead. Then I move on. I really dont have the ability yet to make 3 shredders/Halos and then level them up. For me, this is fun and I dont mind it. I even might take them to lvl 12 just because with the time its taking to work on other items, this is my build for a while. Hope that helps. Actually that's great, thanks! If you don't mind my asking, what league do you play in? It helps me to know what type of bots you're used to seeing. I'm usually looking at Ao Jun, Ares and all the meta bots in Champions League. Me and BB and a couple other folks run Mk2 Mag Pursuer. The Mags are quick and cheap to max. When I run this build, I equip Death Mark, Last Stand & 2 Thermonuclear Reactor’s, have a couple damage skills, and always boost damage and durability. I love it, though now I have been having crazy success with oscillating Phase Shift and stealth that I will work that angle instead of Death Mark and see what happens. BB said you can’t play it the same as a Halo or Gust Pursuer. After a handful of matches killin’ it, I replied to him: “I cant help it ”
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 19, 2019 11:21:41 GMT -5
Actually that's great, thanks! If you don't mind my asking, what league do you play in? It helps me to know what type of bots you're used to seeing. I'm usually looking at Ao Jun, Ares and all the meta bots in Champions League. Me and BB and a couple other folks run Mk2 Mag Pursuer. The Mags are quick and cheap to max. When I run this build, I equip Death Mark, Last Stand & 2 Thermonuclear Reactor’s, have a couple damage skills, and always boost damage and durability. I love it, though now I have been having crazy success with oscillating Phase Shift and stealth that I will work that angle instead of Death Mark and see what happens. BB said you can’t play it the same as a Halo or Gust Pursuer. After a handful of matches killin’ it, I replied to him: “I cant help it ” The gunsmith skill is a good thought. I think it's abnormally high at 5%. I have put phase shift on it for now as a good getaway mechanism. I need to get AC and put it on there. It's super prone to get locked (mainly because it immediately gets the attention of all the Ares folks when it charges). I could mk2 the magnums pretty quickly though...but I did just start my Scourges...hmmm, choices... Ultimately, I really like the shredder idea though.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 19, 2019 11:26:17 GMT -5
Me and BB and a couple other folks run Mk2 Mag Pursuer. The Mags are quick and cheap to max. When I run this build, I equip Death Mark, Last Stand & 2 Thermonuclear Reactor’s, have a couple damage skills, and always boost damage and durability. I love it, though now I have been having crazy success with oscillating Phase Shift and stealth that I will work that angle instead of Death Mark and see what happens. BB said you can’t play it the same as a Halo or Gust Pursuer. After a handful of matches killin’ it, I replied to him: “I cant help it ” The gunsmith skill is a good thought. I think it's abnormally high at 5%. I have put phase shift on it for now as a good getaway mechanism. I need to get AC and put it on there. It's super prone to get locked (mainly because it immediately gets the attention of all the Ares folks when it charges). I could mk2 the magnums pretty quickly though...but I did just start my Scourges...hmmm, choices... Ultimately, I really like the shredder idea though. Finish your Scourges first. If you have 3 Shredders, or even one, start upgrading that next. The Magnums are a fun addition that are easy and quick to build, but Shredder Pursuer is awesome fun and really brutal. Eventually I would definitely upgrade the Mags because they are fun, can be really deadly, and are a perfect back up when you want to temporarily move your main Pursuer weapon’s to another bot. This way you dont have to put away the Pursuer.
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Post by grendelsbot on Aug 19, 2019 17:24:20 GMT -5
We all know the drill. Make the stuff we all use irrelevant so we are forced into getting the new stuff. I assume my T-Falcon will be nerfed soon too as that is a value in terms of upgrade time and I only need to upgrade one weapon. Thinking about upgrading my second Falcon for this reason. But I know what will happen.....just as I get to level 8 or so for that second Falcon...nerf.
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Post by marlock on Aug 20, 2019 15:39:26 GMT -5
I'm levelling up my Blitz, and I'm planning to use my MK1 LvL 12 Gusts with the shot grouping skill until I have some better gear for it. That video that Manni did about it really opened up my eyes. Even with the nerf, four levelled Gusts do enough damage to kill or cripple most bots. Honestly, it's not that different from the play style that you have to use with Halos. Don't get me wrong, I think that the nerf sucks, but it's still a usable weapon. I took my gusts off for a short time and replaced them with spark. So a shredder/spark build...i did horrible. Put the gust back on (level 10 and 11) (Shredders level 8) with 2 level 4 nukes, and master gunsmith. Blitz level 8. Its not as all around evil as it was before. But with a little more planning, it still wrecks. I have a flamethrower build cooking right now. I have seen it wreck but its a ways off. Id say its still my strongest build behind my merc. Just used my Blitz for the first time with Gusts. It's currently level 9. It's ?fluffernutter?ing amazing with the shot grouping. I'm really upset that I didn't get around to using this build before the Gust nerf, but it's still perfectly functional. The Sharpshooter skill helps strategic play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 4:32:05 GMT -5
full disclosure?.. i HATE that little roach build. any of my bots with Quantum Radar.. was strictly for THEM.. so im not mad about the insect killer that just got sprayed on it lol Just the gust variety? Cause I’m betting spark and halo builds will be thick in a few weeks. i think they tend to be a bit more aggressive than the spark or halo builds. halo builds usually attempt to lock down as they close in, sparks like to either hang back or close in for dmg but the gust builds only know to get them guns in your guts. you may face an aggressive roach of whatever build at any given time, sure... but if you see one packing gusts theres no wondering what he's gonna do if he's coming your way
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Post by icyfire on Aug 23, 2019 9:04:09 GMT -5
Stick a fork in him, he's done. My favorite ambush bot. The first thing I made in Workshop 2.0. So now that gusts are a "sustained damage" weapon all he can do is scratch the paint on another bot and then run like a ?female dog?. I'll either have to shelve him for awhile or steal the Halos from the Mercury. *sigh* Still effective IMHO. Them critters can kill my Weyland real quick if I wasn't careful.
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