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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 15, 2019 16:00:30 GMT -5
I know others here will comment on weapons and robots, so I will speak more broadly. More damage is created by the following factors:
Equipment - high performance weapons that compliment each other - higher weapon levels - high damage output weapons that can do a lot quickly - stacking leveled up nuclear reactors (cheap and quick) - equipping thermo nuclear reactors - activating damage boosters - stacking damage boosters in squad with others (you and others activate while in squad) - training pilots in skills that increase damage - using the Death Mark active module - some robots are themselves a weapon like Hellburner and Mercury, so the higher the level the higher damage output by their ability. - self-healing skills like mechanic as well as abilities such as on Mender and Weyland contribute to damage scores
Combat Tactics - Target selection is the biggest one: large robots such as Fury, Butch, Weyland...yield higher payout - robots with high hp yield higher payout - shooting soft parts of the robot instead of physical shields adds to damage output - shooting the robot instead of Ancile, Aegis, or greek purple shield will prevent wasting ammo and produce higher damage. Dont fire at purple shields. You get honor points for shooting Ancile, Aegis, and physical shields but not damage points, so if you are more about damage try to hit soft parts and get inside their energy shields - when possible, choose targets other than those that have high damage reduction to all incoming fire such as Falcon, Ao Guang, Fenrir - learn to hit extra targets on your way to you primary target - use quantum radar, lock down ammo, and death mark with skilled choices - if you see an enemy with the death mark icon over it, fire at it; your damage output is greatly enhanced towards this target - healing robots and robots that are actively healing themselves means more damage for you if you can stay alive - get better at hunting, positioning for a strike that will not result in you being killed by your targets teammates - get better at timing - know which of your weapons do more damage the closer you are, such as shotguns and scourge class weapons - get better at aiming, in order to reduce wasting salvos hitting obstacles instead of your targets
and so forth
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 15, 2019 16:01:27 GMT -5
It's your weapons. Punishers, tarans, these are good subs for things on your griffin anyways. hangar needs work too but one thing at a time i think. Lots to unpack here, but I'd make a punisher griffin for starters, make some silver and go from there.
Halo, ember, shredder, blaze, glory, falcon, strive for some of these. It will take you a while.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 15, 2019 16:41:48 GMT -5
I’d recommend focusing on the Ao Jun as it’s a beast for damage output once leveled. Get that thing up to lv 9 if you can. Thunders are not the best option for it - avengers are good and cheap or you could plug those avalanche in. I wouldn’t put any more silver into the Griff or the weapons it has. The Natty can be good but not aphids IMO - try some puns maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 18:41:04 GMT -5
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Post by bravex on Aug 15, 2019 19:32:30 GMT -5
So I’ve managed to get into Expert III with what’s probably a modest hanger: Natasha 10 with Aphid 5 / Avalanche 6 Griffin 7 with Molot T 5 / Gecko 7 Ao Jun 5 with Thunder 5 (prize) Invader 5 with Magnum 8 / Taran 8 (prize) Weyland 5 with Zeus 5 I’m struggling to do much damage (average has dropped below 300k) - the Weyland is a bit useless; I tend to use the Natasha and Invader most. Obviously I need to level up, but how else can I increase my damage count? Better weapons? Faster bots to get to the battle front? What am I missing here? I'm amazed you got into Expert with level 5 gear. Good job, pilot! I think I had my stuff at 6 or 7 before I got to Expert and then I kept falling back to Diamond for awhile. Sometimes it can be hard to figure out what the game wants from you. Just improve what you can and take note what helps and ditch whatever doesn't work for your play style.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 15, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
Thank you. As a general rule would any weapon that can be purchased for gold or silver (rather than be built in the workshop) be of limited use from now on? Are things like Magnums worth levelling up? I don’t recommend leveling mags. The general trend is newer things are always better, and once they become over popular they get nerfed. Gold just got a lot more valuable than it was a year ago because of the premium mods and pilots, so spend it wisely. The forum often has threads on good value (cheap but effective) builds, so look for those because the meta shifts and moves every few months. In expert what you really need to do is bank as much silver as you can and level up to about 9, then reassess. Silver can feel plentiful in lower levels but from level 10 on the upgrade costs get huge.
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Post by bigga on Aug 16, 2019 7:48:45 GMT -5
Thank you. As a general rule would any weapon that can be purchased for gold or silver (rather than be built in the workshop) be of limited use from now on? Are things like Magnums worth levelling up? I don’t recommend leveling mags. The general trend is newer things are always better, and once they become over popular they get nerfed. Gold just got a lot more valuable than it was a year ago because of the premium mods and pilots, so spend it wisely. The forum often has threads on good value (cheap but effective) builds, so look for those because the meta shifts and moves every few months. In expert what you really need to do is bank as much silver as you can and level up to about 9, then reassess. Silver can feel plentiful in lower levels but from level 10 on the upgrade costs get huge. I disagree. Mags are great at lower levels. Cheap to upgrade and do decent damage and no reload. Very few runs them in Champions League, so i dont think they will nerf it. Upgraded mags will help earning more silver and upgrade better weapons down the line. I ran mags on some bots until mid Champions League. (if 7000 cups is mid Champions League, i dont know??)
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Post by hi5 on Aug 16, 2019 9:10:02 GMT -5
I don’t recommend leveling mags. The general trend is newer things are always better, and once they become over popular they get nerfed. Gold just got a lot more valuable than it was a year ago because of the premium mods and pilots, so spend it wisely. The forum often has threads on good value (cheap but effective) builds, so look for those because the meta shifts and moves every few months. In expert what you really need to do is bank as much silver as you can and level up to about 9, then reassess. Silver can feel plentiful in lower levels but from level 10 on the upgrade costs get huge. I disagree. Mags are great at lower levels. Cheap to upgrade and do decent damage and no reload. Very few runs them in Champions League, so i dont think they will nerf it. Upgraded mags will help earning more silver and upgrade better weapons down the line. I ran mags on some bots until mid Champions League. (if 7000 cups is mid Champions League, i dont know??) As they say, YMMV. IMO Mags just don’t have enough burst anymore for CQC or enough range to let you hang back in E when you’re facing a wider range of players than than D and lower. But they are indeed cheap and no reload is a plus. I’m only about 6k Champions League iOS but rarely see them even on M players I get in matches.
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Post by 𝖉𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖍 on Aug 16, 2019 9:10:14 GMT -5
Your Weyland with Avengers will give you tons of damage potential. It will put your Natasha to shame. Even if they nerf them they will still be a great weapon.
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 16, 2019 11:34:24 GMT -5
So I’ve managed to get into Expert III with what’s probably a modest hanger: Natasha 10 with Aphid 5 / Avalanche 6 Griffin 7 with Molot T 5 / Gecko 7 Ao Jun 5 with Thunder 5 (prize) Invader 5 with Magnum 8 / Taran 8 (prize) Weyland 5 with Zeus 5 I’m struggling to do much damage (average has dropped below 300k) - the Weyland is a bit useless; I tend to use the Natasha and Invader most. Obviously I need to level up, but how else can I increase my damage count? Better weapons? Faster bots to get to the battle front? What am I missing here? Take the Avalanche off the Natty. Put the Avalanche on the Ao Jun. That bot will be good with that. Re-arm both your Griff and your Invader with Puns and Pun-T's. Those will get you good damage at a low upgrade cost until you can build energy shotguns in your workshop. Your damage with just those 3 bots, with those weapon choices, should go up considerably. Any other bots to play with? How much gold do you have? What league are you in? Regardless, with the right brawling skills, you will get more damage from brawling than you will from playing the midrange game on average.
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Post by 𝖉𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖍 on Aug 16, 2019 14:17:07 GMT -5
Thank you. As a general rule would any weapon that can be purchased for gold or silver (rather than be built in the workshop) be of limited use from now on? Are things like Magnums worth levelling up? Storms are still good and Gust are still ok although far weaker than they were. When using Silver/Gold weapons you may find the need to level them up farther than you would premium weapons. But the good news is Silver/Gold weapons cost fractions to level so you are actually saving Ag.
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Post by Jeb on Aug 16, 2019 14:39:52 GMT -5
Thank you. As a general rule would any weapon that can be purchased for gold or silver (rather than be built in the workshop) be of limited use from now on? Are things like Magnums worth levelling up? While my esteemed colleagues might disagree, I've got six Magnums at L11/L12 divided over three bots in Champion League that suggest they're pretty dang good, especially for not having to go through component builds. I run three on a Pursuer, two on a Leo along with a Gust and Thunder, and one on a Gareth alongside a Taran. They give consistent damage from point-blank out to 350m and they never stop to reload. Also, if you want to run something of a standoff setup on your Griffin, load it up with Tulumbas and Pins. 500m rockets with splash damage effects; they're not insta-kill meta-weapons but they're going to outperform the Molot-T/Gecko combination and you can hit targets behind cover.
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 16, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
Take the Avalanche off the Natty. Put the Avalanche on the Ao Jun. That bot will be good with that. Re-arm both your Griff and your Invader with Puns and Pun-T's. Those will get you good damage at a low upgrade cost until you can build energy shotguns in your workshop. Your damage with just those 3 bots, with those weapon choices, should go up considerably. Any other bots to play with? How much gold do you have? What league are you in? Regardless, with the right brawling skills, you will get more damage from brawling than you will from playing the midrange game on average. Thanks for the advice. I’m in Expert III and find myself hopelessly outgunned! I’ve got a Gepard 8 and a Fugin 6 (all Molot / T) in the hanger, but they’re not much good. I have almost finished building an Ares (but need weapons) and a Fenrir (6500 components). 2000 gold. Save your gold. You are going to need pilots. I would put one in the Ao Jun and one in the Ares when you get it.
Once you get the Ares, go cheap. Arm it with Puns and Pun-T. These will work well until you can make or win better options.
I see you have another Invader. Scratch what I said about the Invader with plasma. Keep it and arm the other one with Puns and Pun-T. Level it. Take the Natty out of your line up. It is just a bag of silver for your opponents. If you have enough Power Cells, equip both Invaders with the Extra Healing module. The healing equals silver. Those 2 bots, when equipped with that module, the Ao Jun, the Ares when you get it and the Weyland's healing should make your silver count rise. When you can, I would try to make a Mender to take the place of the Weyland. The meta will change before you get to the top leagues, but the Mender has shown it can hang in top league since it came out and it makes good silver for you. Damage is nice, but if you are outgunned in EL3, you need upgrades badly and silver will get you there. Slow down a bit. Do not try to rise in league standing until you get better stuff. Better to dig yourself out now than try to later. I would say get those weapon levels higher. Your bot levels look good. Your weapons are way too low right now.
Just remember, work on your brawling tactics. Use cover. Learn to shoot from cover. Do anything to maximize damage on the opponent while minimizing damage on you. You will see your damage rates rise. I was amazed at how much my average went up when I switched to an all brawler hanger. I was a steady 600-700 per match. Now I stay just over 1.1 Mil and my top damage score has risen dramatically.
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