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Post by Fluffybane on Jul 23, 2019 12:03:38 GMT -5
Someone on Reddit posted a response from support about the Ad issue and I am sharing it here since not everyone might read it. It looks legit enough and multiple seem to have gotten the same answer. Sucks they implement this right at the end of the season and I hope not too many people will miss out on the superchest.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 23, 2019 12:06:22 GMT -5
How in Hell is that better for noobs? Limiting their ability to get better 「dookie」 from the SC helps... how?
Oh yeah, it allows Pix to create MORE ways to require spending. Got it. So it helps Noobs and everyone else lighten the weight of their wallets... helping with lower back pain and that horrible butt bruise that can occur from sitting on too thick of a wallet.
Thanks Pix!
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Post by leecher123 on Jul 23, 2019 12:08:55 GMT -5
How in Hell is that better for noobs? Limiting their ability to get better ?dookie? from the SC helps... how? Oh yeah, it allows Pix to create MORE ways to require spending. Got it. So it helps Noobs and everyone else lighten the weight of their wallets... helping with lower back pain and that horrible butt bruise that can occur from sitting on too thick of a wallet. Thanks Pix! My friend it’s all about how you spin it: We are working to create a more immersive and uninterrupted gaming experience for new players...
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 23, 2019 12:10:07 GMT -5
They should be politicians. No one else can take a negative thing and spin it so positively, even when it is so full of holes that only brand new player to the game would fall for it.
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Post by someoldman on Jul 23, 2019 12:11:32 GMT -5
Improve lol
Hello sir, I seek to improve your ?bum-bum? by kicking it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 12:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by titan1200 on Jul 23, 2019 12:19:48 GMT -5
Pixonic is making open enemies of it's own players... The unanimous anger about this should be enough for them to stick this idea right back where they found it...If they continue with this plan ,I predict a coordinated player response... Something along the lines of boycotted adds along with a purposeful culling of thier newbie seals..
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Post by Fluffybane on Jul 23, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5
It is a shame really. New players could save months of progress by just playing a lot. I did hear that reinstalling the game would reset the 5 ads, but I can't be arsed for that.
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Post by kuto on Jul 23, 2019 12:28:42 GMT -5
Yep, just saw this on Facebook.
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Post by integeritis on Jul 23, 2019 13:07:14 GMT -5
I think Pixonic does not like it that new players could get a strong bot lineup with only 5 months of playtime by grinding for Superchest.
This way they missed out on all the fun middle of the ground bots that are in between a Leo and a Spectre. I don't know what's going on in lower leagues, but I guess their own system hurts the adaptation of Rhinos, Carnages etc down there. So instead of shrinking the power gap to make lower tier bots usable, they want to force new players get weaker equipment.
This wasn't an issue during the Spectre days. Last year this time I switched my hangar from strong bots like Inqui and Spec to Griffins only, and I was able to compete relatively well. The new set of bots just trash on the old bots. Obviously everyone will ignore the mid tier bots. Most of the players not only ignore the gold bots but Haechi, Bulgasari and several bots that are out of meta and priced inappropriately at the same level as meta bots. This is not a Superchest issue, this is a balance issue and game economy issue.
New bots can be built for silver only, mid tier bots cost precious gold. Why new players would spend 3500 gold for a Ao Qin, Butch, Raijin 4000 for Carnage, 3000 for Rhino, 2500 for Galahad, 1500 for Rogatka and progress through the game trying every era of bots, when the weaker set costs valuable premium currency and the stronger costs grindable silver where your only limit is your own playtime.
Last year I collected all the old school bots before moving to the strong ones. Chosing them over the premium items made sense because they performed relatively well and were obtainable easily compared to component equipment. After I built a great gold/wsp bot hangar, I moved to collecting component offers with WSP.
Now Pix turned the system upside down and expect people to choose weak bots that are hard to obtain over strong bots that are easier to get. ?whiskey tango foxtrot?
They are the ones who removed gold bots from the WS, if they want to fix this player experience issue, they should bring them back to WS, and adjust WS equipment prices, build times, upgrade prices, and upgrade times to match this year's meta.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:12:43 GMT -5
Anybody here read or watch 1984? In that book every time totalitarian government would cut food rations they would have official announcement stating they are increasing food rations to new amounts.
Pixonic is not far away from that kind of farce. As a matter of fact, here's idea how they could have said it: "Dear Players! It's with great joy that we can announce that we increasing the number for adds you can watch to five a day. Please thank Chairman Gladkov for His tireless efforts to improve War Robots experience, especially for new players."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:13:10 GMT -5
I think Pixonic does not like it that new players could get a strong bot lineup with only 5 months of playtime by grinding for Superchest. This way they missed out on all the fun middle of the ground bots that are in between a Leo and a Spectre. I don't know what's going on in lower leagues, but I guess their own system hurts the adaptation of Rhinos, Carnages etc down there. So instead of shrinking the power gap to make lower tier bots usable, they want to force new players get weaker equipment. This wasn't an issue during the Spectre days. Last year this time I switched my hangar from strong bots like Inqui and Spec to Griffins only, and I was able to compete relatively well. The new set of bots just trash on the old bots. Obviously everyone will ignore the mid tier bots. Most of the players not only ignore the gold bots but Haechi, Bulgasari and several bots that are out of meta and priced inappropriately at the same level as meta bots. This is not a Superchest issue, this is a balance issue and game economy issue. New bots can be built for silver only, mid tier bots cost precious gold. Why new players would spend 3500 gold for a Ao Qin, Butch, Raijin 4000 for Carnage, 3000 for Rhino, 2500 for Galahad, 1500 for Rogatka and progress through the game trying every era of bots, when the weaker set costs valuable premium currency and the stronger costs grindable silver where your only limit is your own playtime. Last year I collected all the old school bots before moving to the strong ones. Chosing them over the premium items made sense because they performed relatively well and were obtainable easily compared to component equipment. After I built a great gold/wsp bot hangar, I moved to collecting component offers with WSP. Now Pix turned the system upside down and expect people to choose weak bots that are hard to obtain over strong bots that are easier to get. ?whiskey tango foxtrot? They are the ones who removed gold bots from the WS, if they want to fix this player experience issue, they should bring them back to WS, and adjust WS equipment prices, build times, upgrade prices, and upgrade times to match this year's meta. Yeah, I think you got it, good post. The newbies were getting access to the good stuff too soon (Mender, Invader, Ao Jun, Ares etc.).
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 23, 2019 14:19:29 GMT -5
I think Pixonic does not like it that new players could get a strong bot lineup with only 5 months of playtime by grinding for Superchest. This way they missed out on all the fun middle of the ground bots that are in between a Leo and a Spectre. I don't know what's going on in lower leagues, but I guess their own system hurts the adaptation of Rhinos, Carnages etc down there. So instead of shrinking the power gap to make lower tier bots usable, they want to force new players get weaker equipment. This wasn't an issue during the Spectre days. Last year this time I switched my hangar from strong bots like Inqui and Spec to Griffins only, and I was able to compete relatively well. The new set of bots just trash on the old bots. Obviously everyone will ignore the mid tier bots. Most of the players not only ignore the gold bots but Haechi, Bulgasari and several bots that are out of meta and priced inappropriately at the same level as meta bots. This is not a Superchest issue, this is a balance issue and game economy issue. New bots can be built for silver only, mid tier bots cost precious gold. Why new players would spend 3500 gold for a Ao Qin, Butch, Raijin 4000 for Carnage, 3000 for Rhino, 2500 for Galahad, 1500 for Rogatka and progress through the game trying every era of bots, when the weaker set costs valuable premium currency and the stronger costs grindable silver where your only limit is your own playtime. Last year I collected all the old school bots before moving to the strong ones. Chosing them over the premium items made sense because they performed relatively well and were obtainable easily compared to component equipment. After I built a great gold/wsp bot hangar, I moved to collecting component offers with WSP. Now Pix turned the system upside down and expect people to choose weak bots that are hard to obtain over strong bots that are easier to get. ?whiskey tango foxtrot? They are the ones who removed gold bots from the WS, if they want to fix this player experience issue, they should bring them back to WS, and adjust WS equipment prices, build times, upgrade prices, and upgrade times to match this year's meta. Yeah the down leagues are a joke now... there is ZERO reason to flesh out an old skool hangar as things are... and I don't think getting the SC will make one iota of difference. They should not allow bought bots to circumvent the level barriers that they put up... you can buy with RM and play bots that you can't unlock normally due to low player level... and they have flooded it with all these great 5$ deals so that you can get an early 「deteriorated bum-bum」 hangar in no time. A F2P true noob, not smurf, would have their work cut out for them.
The economy is so jacked right now... if it had been this way when I started I would have moved on, I think...
No, it stinks of ushering in the subscription services to me... but that is a total guess and restatement of some others' opinions.
I think I will get back on Ace Combat 7 tonight.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by Loganspawn on Jul 23, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -5
Anybody here read or watch 1984? In that book every time totalitarian government would cut food rations they would have official announcement stating they are increasing food rations to new amounts. Pixonic is not far away from that kind of farce. As a matter of fact, here's idea how they could have said it: "Dear Players! It's with great joy that we can announce that we increasing the number for adds you can watch to five a day. Please thank Chairman Gladkov for His tireless efforts to improve War Robots experience, especially for new players." One of my faves......... Winston is astonished by the news that demonstrations were held to hail Big Brother for increasing the chocolate ration to 20 grams when in fact just the previous day, it was announced that the ration was actually being reduced from 30 grams to 20 grams.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Jul 23, 2019 14:27:29 GMT -5
How in Hell is that better for noobs? Limiting their ability to get better ?dookie? from the SC helps... how? Oh yeah, it allows Pix to create MORE ways to require spending. Got it. So it helps Noobs and everyone else lighten the weight of their wallets... helping with lower back pain and that horrible butt bruise that can occur from sitting on too thick of a wallet. Thanks Pix! It's a philosophical stance Pixonic's representative is taking here: The less you have, the more you appreciate the things you have and thus, it will improve your gaming experience.
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Post by jukenukem on Jul 23, 2019 14:28:01 GMT -5
They always use this excuse. Whether its better gaming experience, balance, or whatever term they use, but it is never to the players benefit.
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Post by milty72 on Jul 23, 2019 14:32:46 GMT -5
Anybody here read or watch 1984? In that book every time totalitarian government would cut food rations they would have official announcement stating they are increasing food rations to new amounts. Pixonic is not far away from that kind of farce. As a matter of fact, here's idea how they could have said it: "Dear Players! It's with great joy that we can announce that we increasing the number for adds you can watch to five a day. Please thank Chairman Gladkov for His tireless efforts to improve War Robots experience, especially for new players." Next they will introduce a green enemy team and say that they are the real enemy. Two weeks later it will be the red team that's the real enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:34:51 GMT -5
How in Hell is that better for noobs? Limiting their ability to get better ?dookie? from the SC helps... how? Oh yeah, it allows Pix to create MORE ways to require spending. Got it. So it helps Noobs and everyone else lighten the weight of their wallets... helping with lower back pain and that horrible butt bruise that can occur from sitting on too thick of a wallet. Thanks Pix! It's a philosophical stance Pixonic's representative is taking here: The less you have, the more you appreciate the things you have and thus, it will improve your gaming experience. Ha ha, awesome post
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 23, 2019 14:40:44 GMT -5
sorry, what exactly is going on with ads?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:45:56 GMT -5
sorry, what exactly is going on with ads? Pix claims newer users (and jaded users, masochistic users etc.) need a better experience. Limiting the amount of available ads after games is suppose to help us achieve War Robots nirvana, according to Pix's customer service, in the long run. You know what, maybe they're right?
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Post by 𝖉𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖍 on Jul 23, 2019 14:52:57 GMT -5
Is just me or is Pix using this forum as info on how people are using the system. There were a few threads about grinding ads for the SC not a week ago and now this. And this isn't the first "coincidental" change Pix has made. Oh I know...
Boy I hope they never nerf the Ares or reduce the screen shake. And if they ever fix it where bots can walk down ramps with out stumbling I swear I'll quit for good!!!
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Post by hyderier on Jul 23, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -5
Come over to the light side! On PC (FBGR/Steam), there are no ads to tempt you and make you waste time. You can just play the game (you know, the purpose of having a game is to play it, not to watch ads to get some virtual stuff faster). If you want to get ahead faster, spend money. Your time is more valuable that what little you get from watching the ads (even if you don't actually watch them but do something else).
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 23, 2019 15:13:45 GMT -5
sorry, what exactly is going on with ads? Pix claims newer users (and jaded users, masochistic users etc.) need a better experience. Limiting the amount of available ads after games is suppose to help us achieve War Robots nirvana, according to Pix's customer service, in the long run. You know what, maybe they're right? Hi Earl, I still don’t understand. What exactly is Pix changing about ads? This is the first I have seen of this. Are they reducing even more how many Ads we can play or something like that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:22:08 GMT -5
Pix claims newer users (and jaded users, masochistic users etc.) need a better experience. Limiting the amount of available ads after games is suppose to help us achieve War Robots nirvana, according to Pix's customer service, in the long run. You know what, maybe they're right? Hi Earl, I still don’t understand. What exactly is Pix changing about ads? This is the first I have seen of this. Are they reducing even more how many Ads we can play or something like that? Before: Finish a game and get the ability to watch an ad to open a bronze chest, reduce an upgrade by 20 min, reduce a supply drop by 30 min. If you played 40 games in a day you could watch 40 ads in whatever bucket(s) you wanted. Now: Play 15 games and get the ability to watch up to 15 ads (5 for bronze chests, 5 for upgrades, 5 for supply drops). If you play a 16th game, no soup (ad) for you. Pix had the nerve to say this somehow improves players' experiences especially newer players. Just like new economy....
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Post by hyderier on Jul 23, 2019 15:28:22 GMT -5
Hi Earl, I still don’t understand. What exactly is Pix changing about ads? This is the first I have seen of this. Are they reducing even more how many Ads we can play or something like that? Before: Finish a game and get the ability to watch an ad to open a bronze chest, reduce an upgrade by 20 min, reduce a supply drop by 30 min. If you played 40 games in a day you could watch 40 ads in whatever bucket(s) you wanted. Now: Play 15 games and get the ability to watch up to 15 ads (5 for bronze chests, 5 for upgrades, 5 for supply drops). If you play a 16th game, no soup (ad) for you. Pix had the nerve to say this somehow improves players' experiences especially newer players. Just like new economy.... Watching 40 ads per day (even if not actually looking at them), that sounds horrible way to spend time. It also sounds like some players liked to farm ads by not playing the battles for a win. If this is reduced by the change, I think the game quality will indeed improve for everybody!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:35:27 GMT -5
Before: Finish a game and get the ability to watch an ad to open a bronze chest, reduce an upgrade by 20 min, reduce a supply drop by 30 min. If you played 40 games in a day you could watch 40 ads in whatever bucket(s) you wanted. Now: Play 15 games and get the ability to watch up to 15 ads (5 for bronze chests, 5 for upgrades, 5 for supply drops). If you play a 16th game, no soup (ad) for you. Pix had the nerve to say this somehow improves players' experiences especially newer players. Just like new economy.... Watching 40 ads per day (even if not actually looking at them), that sounds horrible way to spend time. It also sounds like some players liked to farm ads by not playing the battles for a win. If this is reduced by the change, I think the game quality will indeed improve for everybody! The 40 ads was a number picked out of the air and would represent around 4-5 hours of play time. The apparent issue was with Skirmish which can easily be fixed by not awarding ads for playing it while leaving every other game mode alone. If someone wants to play heavily seems like they should receive and have the ability to use the ads at improving whatever they want in the game (bronze chests, upgrade time, etc.). See no positives in this whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:37:03 GMT -5
Hi Earl, I still don’t understand. What exactly is Pix changing about ads? This is the first I have seen of this. Are they reducing even more how many Ads we can play or something like that? Before: Finish a game and get the ability to watch an ad to open a bronze chest, reduce an upgrade by 20 min, reduce a supply drop by 30 min. If you played 40 games in a day you could watch 40 ads in whatever bucket(s) you wanted. Now: Play 15 games and get the ability to watch up to 15 ads (5 for bronze chests, 5 for upgrades, 5 for supply drops). If you play a 16th game, no soup (ad) for you. Pix had the nerve to say this somehow improves players' experiences especially newer players. Just like new economy.... Should have mentioned that the 5 free ads that hit at 8pm EDT probably count towards your 15.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 23, 2019 15:39:34 GMT -5
Before: Finish a game and get the ability to watch an ad to open a bronze chest, reduce an upgrade by 20 min, reduce a supply drop by 30 min. If you played 40 games in a day you could watch 40 ads in whatever bucket(s) you wanted. Now: Play 15 games and get the ability to watch up to 15 ads (5 for bronze chests, 5 for upgrades, 5 for supply drops). If you play a 16th game, no soup (ad) for you. Pix had the nerve to say this somehow improves players' experiences especially newer players. Just like new economy.... Watching 40 ads per day (even if not actually looking at them), that sounds horrible way to spend time. It also sounds like some players liked to farm ads by not playing the battles for a win. If this is reduced by the change, I think the game quality will indeed improve for everybody! As a side note, I run the ads exclusively to reduce upgrade times, but never actually watch the ads. In fact, i only run the ads via my phone while I continue to play, so i’m not even looking at my mute phone while focused on combat. I mean, who the heck watches advertisements these days? Old people maybe lol?
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Post by hyderier on Jul 23, 2019 15:40:04 GMT -5
Watching 40 ads per day (even if not actually looking at them), that sounds horrible way to spend time. It also sounds like some players liked to farm ads by not playing the battles for a win. If this is reduced by the change, I think the game quality will indeed improve for everybody! The 40 ads was a number picked out of the air and would represent around 4-5 hours of play time. The apparent issue was with Skirmish which can easily be fixed by not awarding ads for playing it while leaving every other game mode alone. If someone wants to play heavily seems like they should receive and have the ability to use the ads at improving whatever they want in the game (bronze chests, upgrade time, etc.). See no positives in this whatsoever. Time spent on watching ads is time spent not playing. Advantages gained by watching ads will make the game tougher for others (who also either have to watch ads or be at a disadvantage), without providing the effects of getting resources by actually playing battles (increase in league points too, providing bigger player pool for MM to work with). IMO watching ads to gain advantages is a horrible game mechanic. Which is one of the reasons I stopped playing on Android completely (about a month after they introduced the ads).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:03:22 GMT -5
Pix claims newer users (and jaded users, masochistic users etc.) need a better experience. Limiting the amount of available ads after games is suppose to help us achieve War Robots nirvana, according to Pix's customer service, in the long run. You know what, maybe they're right? Hi Earl, I still don’t understand. What exactly is Pix changing about ads? This is the first I have seen of this. Are they reducing even more how many Ads we can play or something like that? Yes, that's it, they are (testing) setting a fixed amount of ads that are available to watch for redemption of: - Bronze chest spins - 20 min upgrade timer reduction - 30 min supply crate timer reduction They've officially responding to various queries posted on this forum (and Reddit). Since they get a kick back for ads watched, it stands to reason that they view the value of limiting these 3 things above more than the ads revenue. You can still get all these, but not unlimited like before. I think I remember this happening back in 2017 too.
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