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Post by Schquirrelschak on Jul 19, 2018 15:10:22 GMT -5
Allow Gusts in the league. Stalkers will bring the balance.
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Post by Replicant on Jul 19, 2018 15:21:27 GMT -5
Ease of implementation bedevils balance. Personally, I wish they'd gone with a 69'ers league (Bot/Ecu/Ancile level 9, Weapons Level 6). Of course you could always give different level caps for different items as a way to create some balance, but then someone has to figure out how many more levels a Tulu Cossack gets in order to be balanced with the Tulu/Pin Gareth - and someone else has to proctor all the matches.
Totally get the anti-lance sentiment though. Punisher-T Ancilote must be ugly in 6-pack.
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Post by ironstar on Jul 19, 2018 15:31:30 GMT -5
Based on my mighty prior experience of 3 games last night, I would say the Ancilot is not as invincible as you think. Sure it can be daunting to take on 1on1 but it's agonisingly slow. You just need a leadhose teammate as level 6 punishers or just a single thunder drain that Ancile in absolutely no time. And without an Ancile they are no problem for a DB griff or even a Orkan Rog. Good old Thorkalot destroys an Ancilot too, except maybe if equipped with Orkans, but that seems a rare build anyway.
I don't have a problem with Lances being a tank 1on1. It is a premium bot in 6 pack terms costing 5k for the Lance alone. However it can be countered in many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:58:44 GMT -5
I played 6 pack games from its inception. At the start, it was all boas, Pattons,golems, galahads. Fun medium bots. I was sad when it "got competitive" and the Lance, Griff, rog took over - nothing else need apply. That said, any competitive game will always have a meta that grants an advantage.
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Post by Paps on Jul 19, 2018 16:50:34 GMT -5
I don't use lances for pickup games. And I try not to for actual tournament games. But they're pretty easy to kill with coordination. And there's lots of that in 6-pak too.
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Post by T34 on Jul 19, 2018 21:01:20 GMT -5
I played 6 pack games from its inception. At the start, it was all boas, Pattons,golems, galahads. Fun medium bots. I was sad when it "got competitive" and the Lance, Griff, rog took over - nothing else need apply. That said, any competitive game will always have a meta that grants an advantage. Balance the meta and allow others to go to 7/7 :-) |
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Post by bronzeknee on Jul 19, 2018 23:57:07 GMT -5
...that hates the idea of the Lancelot dominating 6PL? I am yet to play a 6PL game so far... You have never played, and hate the idea of something that doesn't exist... I think you should play 6 Pack before you judge it. The Lancelot does not dominate 6 Pack. Running an Ancillot with a Doc/Griffin/Rhino is a devastating combination. The Ancilot is a team robot that tanks damage and protects others robots with higher damage potential with it's Ancile. It has a place in the meta and is a very strong robot, but it in no way dominates the meta. The skillful piece of using an Ancilot is the teamwork required. |
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Post by mechtout on Jul 20, 2018 0:04:53 GMT -5
definitely would imagine it being like the old lance days. how's the trident fury fair?
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Post by Paps on Jul 20, 2018 1:53:01 GMT -5
mechtoutNonexistent. Although that may change if the trident buff that got talked about ever goes through.
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Post by bronzeknee on Jul 20, 2018 11:26:18 GMT -5
definitely would imagine it being like the old lance days. how's the trident fury fair? What is different from the old days is that the Punisher is a lot stronger. It is sets the meta and has the ability to tear apart Lancelot and Ancilot alike. Also the presence of teamwork on voice comms changes the game dramatically. |
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Post by Gilded Wolf on Jul 20, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
definitely would imagine it being like the old lance days. how's the trident fury fair? What is different from the old days is that the Punisher is a lot stronger. It is sets the meta and has the ability to tear apart Lancelot and Ancilot alike. Also the presence of teamwork on voice comms changes the game dramatically. Couldn't have put it better if my life depended on it. |
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Post by frunobulax on Jul 22, 2018 15:29:58 GMT -5
Allow Gusts in the league. Stalkers will bring the balance. Why? 6pack is perfectly balanced and action packed. The 6pack 5v5 and 6v6 games are easily the best War Robots games I have played in the last year. I'm still pumped from todays league game where we won our first game by pulling ahead in beacon score with about 3 seconds to go, after we looked pretty much dead in the water with 40 seconds left. So, why would you want to change anything? And then, where do you draw the line? Are Redeemers OK too because they are not as overpowered as other component weapons? What about Ballistas, they suck too? No, not for me. OK, I still stand by my suggestion to introduce a bit more variety by making light and medium robots more viable, by allowing higher levels for them. But after playing a bit of 6pack I'll agree that the uniform "level 6, no component" restrictions works pretty well. The Doc, Fujin and Thunder Carnage are pretty strong in the meta, so allowing higher levels for some medium robots would have to be conditional (say AG medium robots can be level 7 or maybe 8). But then, having everything at level 6 makes housekeeping easy. In fact I sold everything that was over level 6 on my 6pack account. |
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Post by bronzeknee on Jul 22, 2018 15:40:10 GMT -5
Gusts aren't balanced relative to Thunders (they deal about 80% of the damage a Thunder deals), so they would make more robots not viable than viable.
There are already so many weapon and robot choices. Honestly, we are just brushing the surface in terms of 6 Pack strategies and the meta. Right now teams are on a Lance kick, but I don't think it will last.
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Post by TheTrinityDawn on Jul 24, 2018 17:51:51 GMT -5
I'd be ok with Level 6 Storms and Gusts in 6-pack, but that's just me. I'd love to run a Level 6 Gust Stalker in a league where it's actually survivable again.
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Post by zombiecyborg on Aug 5, 2018 9:56:32 GMT -5
Mediums cannot go higher than lvl 6 and stay balanced. Rog, Doc , Fujin would be slightly OP ....
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Post by Radar love on Aug 5, 2018 12:12:17 GMT -5
The balance in 6pack is great. I don't run any heavy bots which I pay for in hp and firepower, but I make up in speed and maneuvering. Sure I can't take down a lance with my 3 aphids but I can beat him to every beacon and beacons is what wins a match. We can't make everyone happy all the time but I think this league is as balanced as it can be without hangar x being involved.
I tell you what I would gladly face a team full of ancilots. Give me a couple teammates that can run db or rdb rogs and griffs and we will take care of all of them.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 15, 2018 3:52:53 GMT -5
The balance in 6pack is great. I don't run any heavy bots which I pay for in hp and firepower, but I make up in speed and maneuvering. Sure I can't take down a lance with my 3 aphids but I can beat him to every beacon and beacons is what wins a match. We can't make everyone happy all the time but I think this league is as balanced as it can be without hangar x being involved. I tell you what I would gladly face a team full of ancilots. Give me a couple teammates that can run db or rdb rogs and griffs and we will take care of all of them. Well, that could probably arranged  I'll take the other side,even though I have only one Lance. I run a DB Rhino as beacon capper, a Pun Fujin, a Zeus Natty and an Orkan Doc. |
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Post by Radar love on Aug 21, 2018 23:40:45 GMT -5
The balance in 6pack is great. I don't run any heavy bots which I pay for in hp and firepower, but I make up in speed and maneuvering. Sure I can't take down a lance with my 3 aphids but I can beat him to every beacon and beacons is what wins a match. We can't make everyone happy all the time but I think this league is as balanced as it can be without hangar x being involved. I tell you what I would gladly face a team full of ancilots. Give me a couple teammates that can run db or rdb rogs and griffs and we will take care of all of them. Well, that could probably arranged I'll take the other side,even though I have only one Lance. I run a DB Rhino as beacon capper, a Pun Fujin, a Zeus Natty and an Orkan Doc. Open mouth insert foot. So just got done with 6packing. The other team had like 50 11 Lancers and..... well...... we lost every game. Guessing I'm going to have to make one available in instances like this evening. I stand corrected |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Oct 7, 2018 8:49:29 GMT -5
I honestly don't believe that allowing "legacy related" weapons into the 6 Pack lineup would do more than possibly change some people's hangers. People generally play a certain way with a certain style and don't want to change once they become accustomed to the dynamic. But if the dynamic doesn't change then it stagnates the game. Predictabilty just becomes boring.
I wouldn't be refering to them as "legacy related" if their attributes did not match that of the rest of the allowed equipment. And since their attributes do match then that means their qualities are already known by all 6 Pack veterans and the dynamic isn't actually being affected that much. It seems to me the only argument against adding them to the allowed equipments list is just prejudice and possible fear of some thinking that they might have to change up their hangers a bit. Some of those with 5 Lances might have to rethink their comfort zones when they have to face a bot sporting Avengers.
So I have to ask, if the buff for the Trident goes in is the 6 Pack community going to revoke that weapon from the approved list because suddenly it has a new damage capability? The Punishers and Molots got buffed and no one batted an eye. Why should "legacy related" weapons be any different? They're just different sizes of weapons that are already allowed. They are known elements.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 7, 2018 9:24:08 GMT -5
I dont have the schedule for Six Pack. Though I secretly pray something like it hits the main server. Just following the discussion, why not make a few open games? It could be a one off at least to gauge its viability.
It would certainly address a lot of players frustrations on long level up times..
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Oct 7, 2018 13:08:55 GMT -5
I dont have the schedule for Six Pack. Though I secretly pray something like it hits the main server. Just following the discussion, why not make a few open games? It could be a one off at least to gauge its viability. It would certainly address a lot of players frustrations on long level up times.. I don't understand what you mean by "hits the main server"? 6 Pack is open to anyone who wants to play. Of course it's all Custom game mode optioned so no one is getting any in game rewards for playing. But by damn it's a ton more fun than regular game play. Especially since most are on voice comms. There are scheduled fight nights where everyone knows when to show up. There are also fight nights using specific equipment. Lights Knights is all light bots only. Flying Crickets is Cossacks only night. If you want a specific kind of fight just place an announcement for it in the 6 Pack Discord servers and those interested can sign up beforehand or just show up game night. |
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Post by sonofsam on Oct 7, 2018 21:39:38 GMT -5
Use splash weapons jump inside his bubble and give him a kiss. He cannot shoot you there without his top weapon. Fat boy goes down pretty quick from there.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Oct 9, 2018 23:11:38 GMT -5
I have yet to see a player bring 5 ancilots to a league match. Five lances, yes, and it didn't help.
No, to post Wild Bunch bots and equipment in 6 Pack.
Join the 6 Pack Plus server, that's where the experiments happen. Except that nothing happens there because there is no support for this.
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