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Post by AcuityAxiom on Jan 18, 2018 21:48:19 GMT -5
So i got an Inquisitor from a giveaway a while back but haven't touched it yet, I've seen people running Thunder-Storm, Molot-Tempest and Ember-Taran, lately, but i can't seem to choose one, any suggestions?
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Post by maverick on Jan 18, 2018 21:49:42 GMT -5
Ember or Redeemer / tarans
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 2:59:18 GMT -5
Ember Taran is by far the best. You can also try the Thunder Orkan build, but it's less effective.
LoL is there someone who really equips Tempest/Molot on the Inquisitor??? It's a waste of a bot.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jan 19, 2018 3:17:22 GMT -5
Ember/Taran is best loadout by a mile!
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 19, 2018 4:42:49 GMT -5
I won one too and lacking any other option for the heavy hardpoint, I equipped mine with Orkans and a Thunder. I've run it in few games, but it is an absolute beast of a bot! You can do insane things with it.
I think, whatever you put on top, heavily defines the build. Orkans-Thunder make it a shock bot and an excellent ambusher, but it requires very careful handling and awareness. It plays a bit differently than a DB Griffin - I found myself jumping towards an enemy more often, than jumping away. Also, Orkans and Thunder don't pair extremely well, since you typically want to lead the target, meaning some Thunder shots will not hit and selectively firing is not so easy to pull.
I will focus next on getting the Ember for an Ember-Taran setup.
Don't put range weapons on it. The Inquisitor makes for an excellent brawler but a mediocre midranger.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 19, 2018 4:56:15 GMT -5
I won one too and lacking any other option for the heavy hardpoint, I equipped mine with Orkans and a Thunder. I've run it in few games, but it is an absolute beast of a bot! You can do insane things with it. I think, whatever you put on top, heavily defines the build. Orkans-Thunder make it a shock bot and an excellent ambusher, but it requires very careful handling and awareness. It plays a bit differently than a DB Griffin - I found myself jumping towards an enemy more often, than jumping away. Also, Orkans and Thunder don't pair extremely well, since you typically want to lead the target, meaning some Thunder shots will not hit and selectively firing is not so easy to pull. I will focus next on getting the Ember for an Ember-Taran setup. Don't put range weapons on it. The Inquisitor makes for an excellent brawler but a mediocre midranger. Has someone used Ember/Orkan setup? Makes sense as you have to lead the target the same way, or are the ember projectiles too slow to be paired with orkan? Don't have the inquisitor nor ember, but i look forward of getting those and Ember/Orkan setup kinda is the thing I am aiming for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 5:07:38 GMT -5
I won one too and lacking any other option for the heavy hardpoint, I equipped mine with Orkans and a Thunder. I've run it in few games, but it is an absolute beast of a bot! You can do insane things with it. I think, whatever you put on top, heavily defines the build. Orkans-Thunder make it a shock bot and an excellent ambusher, but it requires very careful handling and awareness. It plays a bit differently than a DB Griffin - I found myself jumping towards an enemy more often, than jumping away. Also, Orkans and Thunder don't pair extremely well, since you typically want to lead the target, meaning some Thunder shots will not hit and selectively firing is not so easy to pull. I will focus next on getting the Ember for an Ember-Taran setup. Don't put range weapons on it. The Inquisitor makes for an excellent brawler but a mediocre midranger. Has someone used Ember/Orkan setup? Makes sense as you have to lead the target the same way, or are the ember projectiles too slow to be paired with orkan? Don't have the inquisitor nor ember, but i look forward of getting those and Ember/Orkan setup kinda is the thing I am aiming for. It has no sense. Orkans need to be paired with a Thunder which can be used to drop down energy shields. With an Ember you can’t do that and 2 Orkans alone will barely discharge an Ancile, doing little to no damage at all. Moreover, ranges are different and the Ember is a sustained fire weapon, while the Orkan is a burst damage weapon. They simply not work good together. EDIT: I have an Ember and it’s not so difficult to aim with it, with a bit of practice you will hit the target with both the Tarans and the Ember easily.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 19, 2018 5:41:37 GMT -5
Has someone used Ember/Orkan setup? Makes sense as you have to lead the target the same way, or are the ember projectiles too slow to be paired with orkan? Don't have the inquisitor nor ember, but i look forward of getting those and Ember/Orkan setup kinda is the thing I am aiming for. It has no sense. Orkans need to be paired with a Thunder which can be used to drop down energy shields. With an Ember you can’t do that and 2 Orkans alone will barely discharge an Ancile, doing little to no damage at all. Moreover, ranges are different and the Ember is a sustained fire weapon, while the Orkan is a burst damage weapon. They simply not work good together. EDIT: I have an Ember and it’s not so difficult to aim with it, with a bit of practice you will hit the target with both the Tarans and the Ember easily. I'm used to some odd builds that don't make sense or seem ineffective for others, and I still manage to perform better with them as every one of them I put together very carefully with all the possible battle situations I encountered before in mind. At least better than guys here in forum could imagine. What you wrote doesn't worry me much, i was only wondering about the projectile speed at this point - does a rocket of the orkan reach the enemy faster than embers fire after I push the red button?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 5:47:24 GMT -5
It has no sense. Orkans need to be paired with a Thunder which can be used to drop down energy shields. With an Ember you can’t do that and 2 Orkans alone will barely discharge an Ancile, doing little to no damage at all. Moreover, ranges are different and the Ember is a sustained fire weapon, while the Orkan is a burst damage weapon. They simply not work good together. EDIT: I have an Ember and it’s not so difficult to aim with it, with a bit of practice you will hit the target with both the Tarans and the Ember easily. I'm used to some odd builds that don't make sense or seem ineffective for others, and I still manage to perform better with them as every one of them I put together very carefully with all the possible battle situations I encountered before in mind. At least better than guys here in forum could imagine. What you wrote doesn't worry me much, i was only wondering about the projectile speed at this point - does a rocket of the orkan reach the enemy faster than embers fire after I push the red button? LoL there's no point in asking for advices in a forum, if you don't want to listen to what people say. No one runs an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor in Champions League, and I tried Ember/Orkans builds myself and they are not efficient enough (not as Taran/Ember, at least). Anyway, to answer your question, Orkan missiles are slightly faster but it's not a problem to aim and hit the target with both weapons together.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 19, 2018 6:48:19 GMT -5
I'm used to some odd builds that don't make sense or seem ineffective for others, and I still manage to perform better with them as every one of them I put together very carefully with all the possible battle situations I encountered before in mind. At least better than guys here in forum could imagine. What you wrote doesn't worry me much, i was only wondering about the projectile speed at this point - does a rocket of the orkan reach the enemy faster than embers fire after I push the red button? LoL there's no point in asking for advices in a forum, if you don't want to listen to what people say. No one runs an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor in Champions League, and I tried Ember/Orkans builds myself and they are not efficient enough (not as Taran/Ember, at least). Anyway, to answer your question, Orkan missiles are slightly faster but it's not a problem to aim and hit the target with both weapons together. Well, me not agreeing to everything doesn't mean i'm not listening, maybe even i don't agree exactly because i'm listening I learned what is it that makes my playing different from that of others so i can pick only those parts of forum advices that fit my game. Battle results screen usually shows i'm doing it the right way, so... This is also why it is hard for me to contribute to the forum as much as I would like, as my point is being misunderstood most of the time based on presumptions made by comparing what i say to a completely different style of playing. Trying to point that out and explain it seems harder than having an argument with flat earthers sometimes, and at the end of the day it always seems that my arguments have been judged only from a very subjective point of view and continuing the exchange of arguments only makes the gap between me and the rest of players bigger. Perspectives differ, i know it from my Master's Thesis i wrote about logic and means of evidence, so instead of being a 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 and pointing out the failure of using rational arguments by others i take kind of a passive role when exchanging thoughts in most situations. An argument based on champion league hangars or experienced pilot (I tend to think of myself as being one of them) hangars don't work on me, I see why others use them and I also see why they don't fit in many situations. In this case, the ancile factor in the game you wrote about was something i already knew myself and it is something i don't have to worry about, trust me Thanks for the answer, got what i needed to know, as I don't have an Ember yet. See you in battle, pilot!
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Jan 19, 2018 7:16:14 GMT -5
LoL there's no point in asking for advices in a forum, if you don't want to listen to what people say. No one runs an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor in Champions League, and I tried Ember/Orkans builds myself and they are not efficient enough (not as Taran/Ember, at least). Anyway, to answer your question, Orkan missiles are slightly faster but it's not a problem to aim and hit the target with both weapons together. I don't get involved in other people's bull?poo-poo? usually, but cut dude some slack. He's asking questions, respectfully disagrees, and you tell him more or less that he shouldn't be on our forum? You might not agree with my twin tempest/Ember Fury i keep in my starting lineup hangarmm but I bet I'll smoke your ?bum-bum? with big boy ery' time son. Yall play nice children or Uncle Dirty will give you spankies and put you in the corner on time out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 8:09:50 GMT -5
If these builds work for you it's fine, but I don't get why someone should run an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor instead of a Taran/Ember build. It would be better only against bots with only physical shields and no Ancile, and considering that Gareth and Galahad are pretty much extinct, and that Lancelots usually equip Anciles, there are not so many bots like that on the battlefield. Of course Orkans are easier to aim with Ember compared to Tarans, but I can assure you that even with Tarans you just need a bit of practice to aim properly with both weapons. So...why do you think that Ember/Orkan is better? Regarding the fact it's difficult for you to discuss about mixed builds it's because it's proven that these builds, altough effective in some conditions, are usually inferior compared to specialized bot. Over the years, experienced pilots have tested every kind of build and came to the conclusion that mixed builds usually have no place at higher levels. By "experienced" I mean that some of them have won over 10.000 (yes, ten thousand) matches in top tiers, and thinking that they (and everyone here) are wrong...well, I do not agree. Of course it's a game, so do what you like the most.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Jan 19, 2018 9:10:08 GMT -5
My $0.02: Ember + Tarans, then Thunder + Tarans for the Inquisitor.
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 19, 2018 9:33:32 GMT -5
My $0.02: Ember + Tarans, then Thunder + Tarans for the Inquisitor. I'd like to hear more about why you prefer Tarans over Orkans, if you don't mind.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Jan 19, 2018 10:11:18 GMT -5
My $0.02: Ember + Tarans, then Thunder + Tarans for the Inquisitor. I'd like to hear more about why you prefer Tarans over Orkans, if you don't mind. Not at all I prefer Tarans over Orkans based on what bots I see the running in iOS Champs League. I've found Tarans to be more effective than Orkans vs. the Dash bots, and as Tarans have more range, I think they're a better counter to Griffins too. The only physically-shielded bots I see are Lancelot and the occasional Raijin (maybe a Galahad or two). Two Orkans take too much time to deplete an Ancile shield while Tarans pass right through. So with Haechi, Griffins, Kumiho, Carnage, and Fujin, Tarans are the better choice for me. The shorter reload time also tilts the scales for me. I still run Orkans in my hangar (Haechi and Thunder + Orkan Lance), but in the current meta of Dash-mania, short of S-trains, Tarans are the best counter, and seem to be a better fit for Inquisitor. PS: once I level some more Tarans, they may replace the Orkans on my Haechi, too.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 19, 2018 10:15:43 GMT -5
If these builds work for you it's fine, but I don't get why someone should run an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor instead of a Taran/Ember build. It would be better only against bots with only physical shields and no Ancile, and considering that Gareth and Galahad are pretty much extinct, and that Lancelots usually equip Anciles, there are not so many bots like that on the battlefield. Of course Orkans are easier to aim with Ember compared to Tarans, but I can assure you that even with Tarans you just need a bit of practice to aim properly with both weapons. So...why do you think that Ember/Orkan is better? Regarding the fact it's difficult for you to discuss about mixed builds it's because it's proven that these builds, altough effective in some conditions, are usually inferior compared to specialized bot. Over the years, experienced pilots have tested every kind of build and came to the conclusion that mixed builds usually have no place at higher levels. By "experienced" I mean that some of them have won over 10.000 (yes, ten thousand) matches in top tiers, and thinking that they (and everyone here) are wrong...well, I do not agree. Of course it's a game, so do what you like the most. Why I would run an Ember/Orkan Inquisitor instead of a Taran/Ember build (I am speaking only for myself at this point, others may be doing it differently): 1) I have 3 kinetic builds in my main hangar already that I use against ancile bots succesfully. Then there is a 2xOrkan/Taran Heachy who i can bypass anciles with a dash if needed and a scourge/taran Rog, which can ignore anciles altogether. 2) I prefer Orkans over Tarans. As i enjoy striking fast and getting in cover soon after before i get shoot back at, Taran/Ember Inquisitor doesn't fit my playing preferences. I don't have to empty all my clip for it to start reloading and this way i am always ready to attack. There are more reasons for me to choose other weapons before Tarans, but as you are already sure that mixed builds have no place at higher levels, it will be a waste of my time to explain to you why Tarans are bad in most situations I encounter in game and why i don't need a strong build to beat any Ancilots or someone else without rocket weapons in general, because you don't have those situations in game and probably you will never have. As a side topic, I think you noted an older thread where i proposed a speciffic mixed weapons griffin as a better midranger than other listed builds. That was the situation I also had in mind when responding to you, as it still bothers me to this day deep inside. I did't see anyone there, that had tested my build. I did't see anyone there, that understood how to maximize shooting time with it and each and every response that mentioned damage done or shooting with it was in fact completely wrong about it. I did't see anyone there, that would have understand the use of the Griffin as i described how i use it and why its lower compared to others HP amount is not a concern with that setup. I didn't see any facts there that would prove i am wrong or that others might be right, just presumptions of how i play and finger-pointing at other hangars. I even PMd two or three of those forum members that were pointing at those "tests" and asked help to find those topics where things others mentioned were discussed, see if maybe somebody realy had tested what I proposed or something similar instead, didn't get ANY answer. It was hard to spot anything showing experience in those comments I read. I even went through what I wrote many times, to see if i wrote it right, because at first I thought my english skills were to blame (not a native speaker) but it wasn't the case. So in that discussion I think I was the most experienced, if not the only one with any experience, to participate in, does't matter how many wins in whatever tiers others had. If players are experienced, that means they must have had situations where they were wrong before, and so they must be experienced enough to know it can happen again, even more so because of new bots and weapons introduced to the game a not long before. Didn't see that or any other kind of experience there, and even if i was a new player to this game, i would have not agreed just because of the lack of rational arguments. If I didn't know those who participated from others threads already, I might have thought I am being trolled by 14 year old noobs who know the game only by watching somebody else playing it on Youtube and didn't know anything about it themselves. That discussion was simply ridiculous. And it it is not the only case I've seen that here in this forum. I am not pointing at everyone in that thread with this, but those, who I am, will know it themselves.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Jan 19, 2018 10:15:52 GMT -5
My $0.02: Ember + Tarans, then Thunder + Tarans for the Inquisitor. I'd like to hear more about why you prefer Tarans over Orkans, if you don't mind. Proliferation of Haechi as brawlers right now. I have 2 Inquisitors and I've tried every conceivable brawler loadout, I run a Ember/Taran and a Thunder/Orkan currently but here's my $0.02 as an experienced Inquisitor Pilot: 1. Ember/Taran: this build gives you some range, is an absolute hard counter to Lancelot. Also great against Haechi and the ember will always hit Bulgasari. 2. Redeemer/Taran: I don't have a redeemer but I've seen them, played. Against Haechi/Kumiho specifically redeemer is better than ember because it's harder to lead a dash with ember, worse against lancelot & other physical shields obviously. 3. Thunder/Orkan and Thunder/Punisher are a tie for me and is really map dependent: a. Thunder/Orkan at level 11-12 you can definitely kill one bot and quickly, this is an assassin/shock build but you have to be extremely patient and find angles for cover to reload both jump and orkans and single a bot out. It's super fun, more fun than ember/taran but much harder to play.
b. Thunder/Punisher so don't try this build without a maxed thunder and 11+ punishers at least but this build is actually -very- good, similar to Ember/Taran but in a pinch you can use the punishers for ranged damage. I like this build because when squadding or on a good blue team you can shadow Orkan bots and become a wrecking crew, the thunder/punishers can do sustained damage and often clear out multiple reds, especially with help. You -will- always beat an ancilot if they are alone and if you're with anyone carrying missiles it's a scary thing. It does absolutely fine on it's own if you can pair the attack with a well positioned ascend.
4. Thunder/Storm: This is basically the same as punisher or orkan build but forces you to be too close for comfort and has less burst than orkan and less sustain than punishers. I've tried other various loadouts including ranged with tempest (lance does it infinitely better) and things like Ancile/Taran or Orkan but the only ones that really impressed me are noted above. if you're looking for any other specific info or advice I'd be happy to help. P.S. I know you're passionate about Orkan/Ember or against Tarans on Inquisitor but I can assure you most targets in champion league will die faster to Tarans than to Orkans. Thunder/Taran is acceptable and a build I've played but against its more of a team player or a bot that specifically taregts non-ancile, non-shielded bots like griffins. With an inquisitor you're looking to win one fight, hide then find another. Inquisitors are best played shadowing teammates so when other bots are engaged you can clean up and prevent ambush by more reds so you can progress beacon territory. If you find that mixed builds work for you, then more power to you, but for me it just reduces overall effectiveness.
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 19, 2018 11:02:34 GMT -5
Blurred Vision Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ thank you both for the answers. I had a hunch it is because of the Haechis. I'd like to single out these (sorry for this): a. Thunder/Orkan at level 11-12 you can definitely kill one bot and quickly, this is an assassin/shock build but you have to be extremely patient and find angles for cover to reload both jump and orkans and single a bot out. It's super fun, more fun than ember/taran but much harder to play. Seriously, with this loadout, it is the most fun bot I have piloted since the Gareth and I agree on every single point on how to handle it. It can be devastating but you have to be very very careful. Also, as a sidenote and to avoid any confusion, I didn't claim anything about the Orkan/Ember or running mixed builds. Other than that, your conclusions about Inquisitor mirror mine.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jan 19, 2018 20:04:15 GMT -5
By starting out with a longer range load-out like Thunder Punisher, it will give you space to become familiar with the particulars of this mech. Gradually using this build to close distance into brawling territory, you can then load brawling weapons like Taran and feel more comfortable. Check other Inquisitor threads for good Inq piloting advice.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 20, 2018 17:31:15 GMT -5
Ember/tarans.
Beastly.
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Jan 20, 2018 23:33:42 GMT -5
Huh, i thought my thread was being ignored after the 1st post, but the site for some reason never notified me of all of you, odd, well, i'll make sure to take all your assorted advice into consideration.
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