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Post by Nitro on Jan 14, 2018 17:27:51 GMT -5
I get it, Orkan and Shocktrain Haechi are meta, and plasma is a close runner up and sometimes a must for some people. But what the unexplored builds like Punisher and molots? What other setups have people used that they enjoy? I want to only use meta when I get serious, and I don't see myself strapping my Haechi with 3 shocktrains anytime soon, my Kumiho already does an amazing job with 2. Any builds you want to suggest to me?
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Post by locutis on Jan 14, 2018 18:05:50 GMT -5
Storm haechi.. like a supercharged thunder carnage.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Jan 14, 2018 19:50:22 GMT -5
Storm haechi.. like a supercharged thunder carnage. Agree. I'm currently leveling up the bot and storms. I just use it like Tharnage. Quite fun and not a coward setup.
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Post by Nitro on Jan 14, 2018 20:32:59 GMT -5
Sounds like I've got to work towards one more storm then. Seems like it'll be an interesting setup.
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Post by moody on Jan 14, 2018 21:11:53 GMT -5
Punisher and molot both have you sitting in the open for a long time - not good for that bot.
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mccawesome
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Post by mccawesome on Jan 14, 2018 22:37:31 GMT -5
Anything other than the storm and your going to the bad place.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Jan 14, 2018 22:54:17 GMT -5
Puns, tarans, orks, storms are very effective based on my experience. Fun would depend on the point of view. There definitely is a novelty with the haechi. Then an addiction if you are meta chasing. Not fun for people you go up against. It actually doesnt help in the long run as it rewards sloppy gameplay. Keep switching to other bots to keep sharp.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jan 14, 2018 23:12:25 GMT -5
Orkan haechi is the king of brawlers. End of story!
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 15, 2018 5:23:36 GMT -5
I think a hybrid build is one you should definitely try out. Those don't work for everyone but if used right they can be more useful for your team and even more powerful than builds with all of the same type of weapon. Most suitable weapons for those depend on the skills and weapon preferences of the pilot, so, I advise to do some experimenting by yourself, as your results might differ from mine.
I have tried 3 hybrid builds this far (got my haechi just 2 days ago (was between level 3 and 6 at the time of testing)), i should note that i used only two types of weapons on it so i can put two of the same weapons on the left side, the third on right, to allow me to cornershoot both weapons of the same type at the same time:
1) 2x Orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and Taran (lvl 10) - worked best for me, I use taran for general shooting, while hiding behind corners and stacking up rockets for the next ambush at the same time. In expert league this setup is strong enough to kill most enemies in one ambush, even without using taran for that. Holding back/hiding was necessary only when under heavy fire and out of rush charges.
2) 2x tarans (lvl 10) and orkan (lvl 12) - battle results looked the same as with the first setup, but taking into account the numbers of anciles and shields in expert, the first build i mentioned allowed me to play faster, as this build is more vulnerable and has to hold back during taran reloading (1 orkan isn't good enough at most situations)
3) 2x orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and storm (lvl 8) - i tried this one as a more suitable counter to anciles. i think it would be great if i could get anciles down before getting in the range for my orkans, also, there is no reload time for storms is they are always ready to shoot. Will try this again when storm is at lvl 10, as i found it to be too weak yet. I looking forward try a build with 2 storms an 1 orkan, too, although i think that it will have the same flaw as the build with 2x tarans and orkan, that it will make the orkan kinda underperform.
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Post by cypho on Jan 15, 2018 5:33:36 GMT -5
I think a hybrid build is one you should definitely try out. Those don't work for everyone but if used right they can be more useful for your team and even more powerful than builds with all of the same type of weapon. Most suitable weapons for those depend on the skills and weapon preferences of the pilot, so, I advise to do some experimenting by yourself, as your results might differ from mine. I have tried 3 hybrid builds this far (got my haechi just 2 days ago (was between level 3 and 6 at the time of testing)), i should note that i used only two types of weapons on it so i can put two of the same weapons on the left side, the third on right, to allow me to cornershoot both weapons of the same type at the same time: 1) 2x Orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and Taran (lvl 10) - worked best for me, I use taran for general shooting, while hiding behind corners and stacking up rockets for the next ambush at the same time. In expert league this setup is strong enough to kill most enemies in one ambush, even without using taran for that. Holding back/hiding was necessary only when under heavy fire and out of rush charges. 2) 2x tarans (lvl 10) and orkan (lvl 12) - battle results looked the same as with the first setup, but taking into account the numbers of anciles and shields in expert, the first build i mentioned allowed me to play faster, as this build is more vulnerable and has to hold back during taran reloading (1 orkan isn't good enough at most situations) 3) 2x orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and storm (lvl 8) - i tried this one as a more suitable counter to anciles. i think it would be great if i could get anciles down before getting in the range for my orkans, also, there is no reload time for storms is they are always ready to shoot. Will try this again when storm is at lvl 10, as i found it to be too weak yet. I looking forward try a build with 2 storms an 1 orkan, too, although i think that it will have the same flaw as the build with 2x tarans and orkan, that it will make the orkan kinda underperform. 2 orks and a storm is an interesting idea that I hadn't previously considered. I'd be interested to hear how that goes when you've leveled up the storm and given the build a proper test.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 15, 2018 8:41:52 GMT -5
I ran 3 storms on a Haechi and it was fun as Hell. You HAVE to run it like a Thunder bot in the aspect that you have to get close, but the Haechi is capable of doing that. Just remember that the closer you get to perfect Storm range, the closer they are to being inside your bubble. Tricky to play, but if you get in the zone it will remind you of Thunder Carn in the old meta with a bit more success.
IMO, YMMV.
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Post by Nitro on Jan 16, 2018 3:57:13 GMT -5
I greatly appreciate all the input you all have given me! I'm definitely going to give Storms a go, as before all these new robots came about, I used to enjoy the Thunder Carnage immensely. I more functional successor to that is exactly what I want to have a go at. And the hybrid builds sound interesting as well. I'll be sure to experiment with them and find what's best for me!
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Post by AVC on Jan 16, 2018 7:05:14 GMT -5
Storm haechi.. like a supercharged thunder carnage. Funny you should say that. I was just on Dreadnought. Myself in a Punisher Griff, and a Leo were leaving our spawn toward a side beacon and got snuck up on by a Storm Kumiho. Not sure if he dashed around the ship, or leapt off the roof. He ripped our faces off. On paper, the Storm has almost the firepower of the Thunder. I'm gonna have to give that loadout some serious thought.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Jan 17, 2018 5:41:18 GMT -5
Storm haechi.. like a supercharged thunder carnage. Funny you should say that. I was just on Dreadnought. Myself in a Punisher Griff, and a Leo were leaving our spawn toward a side beacon and got snuck up on by a Storm Kumiho. Not sure if he dashed around the ship, or leapt off the roof. He ripped our faces off. On paper, the Storm has almost the firepower of the Thunder. I'm gonna have to give that loadout some serious thought. Yep kumiho is good platform for storm but they need to be level 9+ but mines are level 6
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Post by AVC on Jan 17, 2018 6:53:25 GMT -5
Funny you should say that. I was just on Dreadnought. Myself in a Punisher Griff, and a Leo were leaving our spawn toward a side beacon and got snuck up on by a Storm Kumiho. Not sure if he dashed around the ship, or leapt off the roof. He ripped our faces off. On paper, the Storm has almost the firepower of the Thunder. I'm gonna have to give that loadout some serious thought. Yep kumiho is good platform for storm but they need to be level 9+ but mines are level 6 I'm in Expert at the moment (I actually made it to champ at one stage) and I'm aiming for the level 9s I like the bots to be max speed so 9 is my minimum aiming point. Once everything is 9 I might up the weps but maybe not. Anything at level 6 just doesn't have the kick. I don't know how the 6/6 league do it. It would be like fighting with feather dusters in slow motion.
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Post by Nitro on Jan 18, 2018 16:04:27 GMT -5
Thank you so much for mentioning the Storm Kumiho. Since I have a level 9 and 10 storm, I took them off my Ancilot (which did pretty good with the Storms btw) and strapped them to my Kumiho. I'm seriously having a blast!
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Post by moody on Jan 18, 2018 18:12:45 GMT -5
Yep kumiho is good platform for storm but they need to be level 9+ but mines are level 6 I'm in Expert at the moment (I actually made it to champ at one stage) and I'm aiming for the level 9s I like the bots to be max speed so 9 is my minimum aiming point. Once everything is 9 I might up the weps but maybe not. Anything at level 6 just doesn't have the kick. I don't know how the 6/6 league do it. It would be like fighting with feather dusters in slow motion. There is a movement among a couple of us - but not off the ground yet - to do a seperate but related 9/6 league.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 18, 2018 18:57:49 GMT -5
I think a hybrid build is one you should definitely try out. Those don't work for everyone but if used right they can be more useful for your team and even more powerful than builds with all of the same type of weapon. Most suitable weapons for those depend on the skills and weapon preferences of the pilot, so, I advise to do some experimenting by yourself, as your results might differ from mine. I have tried 3 hybrid builds this far (got my haechi just 2 days ago (was between level 3 and 6 at the time of testing)), i should note that i used only two types of weapons on it so i can put two of the same weapons on the left side, the third on right, to allow me to cornershoot both weapons of the same type at the same time: 1) 2x Orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and Taran (lvl 10) - worked best for me, I use taran for general shooting, while hiding behind corners and stacking up rockets for the next ambush at the same time. In expert league this setup is strong enough to kill most enemies in one ambush, even without using taran for that. Holding back/hiding was necessary only when under heavy fire and out of rush charges. 2) 2x tarans (lvl 10) and orkan (lvl 12) - battle results looked the same as with the first setup, but taking into account the numbers of anciles and shields in expert, the first build i mentioned allowed me to play faster, as this build is more vulnerable and has to hold back during taran reloading (1 orkan isn't good enough at most situations) 3) 2x orkans (lvl 11 and 12) and storm (lvl 8) - i tried this one as a more suitable counter to anciles. i think it would be great if i could get anciles down before getting in the range for my orkans, also, there is no reload time for storms is they are always ready to shoot. Will try this again when storm is at lvl 10, as i found it to be too weak yet. I looking forward try a build with 2 storms an 1 orkan, too, although i think that it will have the same flaw as the build with 2x tarans and orkan, that it will make the orkan kinda underperform. 2 orks and a storm is an interesting idea that I hadn't previously considered. I'd be interested to hear how that goes when you've leveled up the storm and given the build a proper test. I played with the Orkan/storm build a little past two days. Storm is level 8 still, haechi is the one I'm leveling. But as I myself was more interested in the concept, not damage, I think I found best build for me for some time at least, and that is the 2orkan/1taran build I mentioned above. Extra storm was holding me back. The fact that I wanted the storm for destroying anciles made it useless after I succeeded at that, as orkan range didn't force me to risk going closer than 300m Storm is not the best weapon at this distance, which I try to maintain most with this. Shooting from 500m was needed less that I could imagine before, as I could dash into Orkan range without needing that almost all the time. And when facing ancile bots, 1 Orkan works better for me than 1 storm, as my intention for using a secondary weapon is to hurt the enemy as much as I can from cover while my orkans recover. Taran also allowed me to take on more targets at the same time considering their weaknesses, while doing damage to them all, while by playing with storm this was too hard, as anciles recovered while I was droping rockets on other targets. With the taran build I am very good at managing reload times, storms shoot all the time function was to ineffective. Nobody even got scared of it. I doubt this is what you wanted, but these are the things I noticed that bothered me while playing, no science there. Tried to describe as best as I could.
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Post by warrobotsnoob on Jan 18, 2018 19:07:16 GMT -5
2 orks and a storm is an interesting idea that I hadn't previously considered. I'd be interested to hear how that goes when you've leveled up the storm and given the build a proper test. I played with the Orkan/storm build a little past two days. Storm is level 8 still, haechi is the one I'm leveling. But as I myself was more interested in the concept, not damage, I think I found best build for me for some time at least, and that is the 2orkan/1taran build I mentioned above. Extra storm was holding me back. The fact that I wanted the storm for destroying anciles made it useless after I succeeded at that, as orkan range didn't force me to risk going closer than 300m Storm is not the best weapon at this distance, which I try to maintain most with this. Shooting from 500m was needed less that I could imagine before, as I could dash into Orkan range without needing that almost all the time. And when facing ancile bots, 1 Orkan works better for me than 1 storm, as my intention for using a secondary weapon is to hurt the enemy as much as I can from cover while my orkans recover. Taran also allowed me to take on more targets at the same time considering their weaknesses, while doing damage to them all, while by playing with storm this was too hard, as anciles recovered while I was droping rockets on other targets. With the taran build I am very good at managing reload times, storms shoot all the time function was to ineffective. Nobody even got scared of it. I doubt this is what you wanted, but these are the things I noticed that bothered me while playing, no science there. Tried to describe as best as I could. with a storm the haechi would become like a orkan kumi that bypasses anciles. 3 storm haechi is still my favorite build, but thanks for all the builds you all have mentioned!
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 18, 2018 19:29:06 GMT -5
I played with the Orkan/storm build a little past two days. Storm is level 8 still, haechi is the one I'm leveling. But as I myself was more interested in the concept, not damage, I think I found best build for me for some time at least, and that is the 2orkan/1taran build I mentioned above. Extra storm was holding me back. The fact that I wanted the storm for destroying anciles made it useless after I succeeded at that, as orkan range didn't force me to risk going closer than 300m Storm is not the best weapon at this distance, which I try to maintain most with this. Shooting from 500m was needed less that I could imagine before, as I could dash into Orkan range without needing that almost all the time. And when facing ancile bots, 1 Orkan works better for me than 1 storm, as my intention for using a secondary weapon is to hurt the enemy as much as I can from cover while my orkans recover. Taran also allowed me to take on more targets at the same time considering their weaknesses, while doing damage to them all, while by playing with storm this was too hard, as anciles recovered while I was droping rockets on other targets. With the taran build I am very good at managing reload times, storms shoot all the time function was to ineffective. Nobody even got scared of it. I doubt this is what you wanted, but these are the things I noticed that bothered me while playing, no science there. Tried to describe as best as I could. with a storm the haechi would become like a orkan kumi that bypasses anciles. 3 storm haechi is still my favorite build, but thanks for all the builds you all have mentioned! Yeah, agree, when using a storm on that beast, then best 3 at the same time.
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Post by maverick on Jan 18, 2018 22:43:30 GMT -5
Level 1 hydras
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Post by moody on Jan 19, 2018 23:30:10 GMT -5
Just checking? Are you one of the mavericks in Acom?
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Post by brisket on Jan 19, 2018 23:44:07 GMT -5
Triple orkans are a strong build with plasma second. Don’t waste your time and Ag on anything else.
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Post by maverick on Jan 20, 2018 1:32:16 GMT -5
Just checking? Are you one of the mavericks in Acom? Why do you ask?
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Post by moody on Jan 20, 2018 3:11:48 GMT -5
Just checking? Are you one of the mavericks in Acom? Why do you ask? I have an account now in acom and was wondering if you were in the same clan?
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 20, 2018 3:18:17 GMT -5
Really curious about the idea of storm/orkan hybrids now. I may have to try that.
Edit: how many level 8 or 9 storms/gusts does it take to drop an ancile?
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Post by maverick on Jan 20, 2018 6:16:08 GMT -5
I have an account now in acom and was wondering if you were in the same clan? Both actually Hey moody nice playing with you this arvo.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 20, 2018 17:30:19 GMT -5
Shocktrains go on bulgasaurs, do orkans.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 21, 2018 5:17:24 GMT -5
Shocktrains go on bulgasaurs, do orkans. Did you read the OP? Again, specifically not the advice he was looking for. We don't get to complain about how narrow the meta in champion is if we tell all the lower leagues that the meta is the ONLY option regardless of player level. You should tell everyone to experiment unless they are specifically asking what the meta is or what the best loadout/bot is without conditions. Maybe that way you will see some non-meta builds sneek into champion and get to enjoy some variety in game play.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 21, 2018 10:11:11 GMT -5
Shocktrains go on bulgasaurs, do orkans. Did you read the OP? Again, specifically not the advice he was looking for. We don't get to complain about how narrow the meta in champion is if we tell all the lower leagues that the meta is the ONLY option regardless of player level. You should tell everyone to experiment unless they are specifically asking what the meta is or what the best loadout/bot is without conditions. Maybe that way you will see some non-meta builds sneek into champion and get to enjoy some variety in game play. If you want variety and fun go play 6pack. Personally, I'm into giving sound advice, not touchy-feely go have fun while getting slaughtered bad advice just to be nonmeta. Not to mention the waste of resources. And i voted for storms, i just didnt say as much. Maybe now you can get the ?fluffy bunny? off my back and tend to your own affairs, if the op has a problem with anything i said they are more than capable of pointing it out. That way you can stop policing my posts. Free up some of your precious time, yanno? Because quite frankly, all of this is a matter of opinion, and I don't give a ?fluffy bunny? about yours, so stop trying to give it to me. Edit 2:42pm: after reading this over, I should have responded differently. I'm not erasing this, because I said it, and I'm not one for cover ups. I do regret my tone here. Apology extended.
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