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Post by endyu on Jan 13, 2018 14:33:26 GMT -5
I won two redeemers in the forum giveaway but know nothing about the redeemer.
I looked up videos of Adrian Chong and Manni using it and it seems like the Ember is more powerful in almost every way. Manni did say that Redeemers on a Raijin were beastly, and it did look beast but in a game without Orkans.
I will definitely put it on my Lance first and see if I like it more than the Tarancilot. It's still very vulnerable to Orkans though.
Carnage looks underwhelming in all the redeemer videos I've seen. I don't have a Fury but Ancile Redeemer Fury seems like it would be decent.
Any ideas/input?
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jan 13, 2018 15:32:01 GMT -5
Not familiar with the Ember/Redeemer comparison, but I would be interested in trying:
Redeemer/Taran/Magnum Golem
Redeemer/Magnum Leo
Redeemer/Magnum Natasha
No comment re: use on premium Bots.
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Post by AzureAura on Jan 13, 2018 15:44:59 GMT -5
The Redeemer/Magnum Natasha can keep shooting with the mags while the redeemers do the real damage but is a little squishy.
Redeemer/Magnum Leo has the best armor but losing a redeemer for another mag isn't something I would want.
Redeemer/Taran/Magnum Golem has similar firepower to the Leo with the Taran and Magnum and the best speed but also a bit squishy.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jan 13, 2018 15:56:46 GMT -5
The Redeemer/Magnum Natasha can keep shooting with the mags while the redeemers do the real damage but is a little squishy. Redeemer/Magnum Leo has the best armor but losing a redeemer for another mag isn't something I would want. Redeemer/Taran/Magnum Golem has similar firepower to the Leo with the Taran and Magnum and the best speed but also a bit squishy. A lot depends on what else in the hangar. Without a tough Bot like Raijin or Lancelot/Ancilot, the Leo looks like the better choice over the Natasha...25% less firepower, but 35% more HP. If the hangar is already strong defensively, then Natasha's raw offence may be preferable. Plus, that makes use of BOTH Redeemers until a third Redeemer can be aquired for a Fury. In mid leagues (say, Diamond or lower) Golem is still viable, as it can be easily upgraded 1-2 levels higher than the rest of the hangar, making it much less squishy in comparison to a Natty or Griff. |
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Post by Eurobercik on Jan 13, 2018 16:21:24 GMT -5
I would say Carnage.
But note that Tarancilot has the same firepower! Basically, Redemeer has very comparable firepower to Taran, so it's hard to find sensible setup for it.
Redeemer/Taran Lancelot is just Lancelot with three Tarans. It will be dead by Orkans in seconds. Haechi/Bulgasari will be better for holding three Tarans.
It depends where you are, but if Expert+, you won't have much from Redemeers.
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Post by endyu on Jan 13, 2018 16:43:42 GMT -5
I would say Carnage. But note that Tarancilot has the same firepower! Basically, Redemeer has very comparable firepower to Taran, so it's hard to find sensible setup for it. Redeemer/Taran Lancelot is just Lancelot with three Tarans. It will be dead by Orkans in seconds. Haechi/Bulgasari will be better for holding three Tarans. It depends where you are, but if Expert+, you won't have much from Redemeers. Carnage seems fragile to plasma/energy weapons though. Yeah, it does seem like there's no place for redeemers in higher leagues. I'm still going to give the Redeemer a try on my Lancelot and see if the added damage will make me consider replacing one of my Kumiho's with the Lance. Most likely not because I find the Kumiho's to be extremely fun. |
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Post by Tarastir on Jan 15, 2018 2:24:43 GMT -5
You could try a fun build like Natasha with 2x Redeemer and 2x Ecu - You could turn when reloading, but as I said - it's fun but not really useful.
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Post by Tatamat on Jan 15, 2018 2:44:38 GMT -5
A lot depends on what you want.
I'm personally looking forward to trying Ember or Redeemer Raijin, and I'll definitely try one such wep with Ancile, giving Raijin time to use its strength against rockets. The way I'd use this build would be corner shooting, the strenth of the Redeemer in Bastion mode should approach to 2 Tarans, not a negligible power over a longer time. Position corrections can be made during reloading.
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 15, 2018 3:50:17 GMT -5
A Lancelot is a bit squishy without the Ancile. The Natty should do fine with 2 redeemers (assuming Mk2 level 12 she's less squishy). However, both the Ember and the Redeemer may be the weapons that finally make the Raijin viable. (Lacking either weapon, all I can do is speculate on that.)
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 15, 2018 3:51:52 GMT -5
I would say Carnage. But note that Tarancilot has the same firepower! Basically, Redemeer has very comparable firepower to Taran, so it's hard to find sensible setup for it. Redeemer/Taran Lancelot is just Lancelot with three Tarans. It will be dead by Orkans in seconds. Haechi/Bulgasari will be better for holding three Tarans. It depends where you are, but if Expert+, you won't have much from Redemeers. Yeah, it does seem like there's no place for redeemers in higher leagues. I'm still going to give the Redeemer a try on my Lancelot and see if the added damage will make me consider replacing one of my Kumiho's with the Lance. Most likely not because I find the Kumiho's to be extremely fun. I wonder. Plasma is the poor mans answer to Dash bots, but it seems even with better Plasma (Redeemer) the Shocktrain/Orkan Dash bots still win. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 15, 2018 8:34:30 GMT -5
If you have a Nat and Ancile at decent levels, try a Redeemer/Ancile/Magnum Natasha and see how that goes. I might give it a shot just for chuckles. Right now, I'm running my Redeemer on my Lancelot. Jury's still out and I'll likely try it for a few more days. I really liked my Zeus/Scourge Lancelot and the role it played so we'll see how it goes.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Jan 15, 2018 9:06:49 GMT -5
The Strider or Inquisitor might be a good choice to run this with but I just don't feel the same urgency in finding cover when facing a redeemer compared to an ember.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 15, 2018 9:59:47 GMT -5
The Strider or Inquisitor might be a good choice to run this with but I just don't feel the same urgency in finding cover when facing a redeemer compared to an ember. If you face a bot with only 1 Ember, just run sideways as fast as you can. I have a hard time tracking bots that do this and keeping all my weapons on target. If you face a bot with more than 1 Ember, then yeah, head for the hills. |
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 12:08:10 GMT -5
The added damage from one, even at low level, worked very well until Orkans/Tulu's show up... and then I just wished I had my Ancile.
Very unimpressive.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 12:11:35 GMT -5
The Strider or Inquisitor might be a good choice to run this with but I just don't feel the same urgency in finding cover when facing a redeemer compared to an ember. I think so too. Either the ember is overpowered or the Redeemer is underpowered because the redeemer feels like an obsolete weapon right now which sucks. I think if they increased the range to 400-450 it would be pretty balanced (compared to the Ember) while not making it overpowered. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jan 21, 2018 20:03:12 GMT -5
I won 2 redeemers in the contest.
I like to see things for myself and for me it is the newest weapon since my 3rd Zeus..... so kinda excited.
I was leveling one to put on 2nd Lancelot to run a plasma Lance duo. Would have Reedemalot & Ancilot..... well just no. I took it to L9 and dropped it on my L11 Lance w L12 Tarans. The out-of-sequence fire rate with the Tarans is distracting and it almost makes you think the fire button is jammed or something. I ran 5-6 battles and does not fit my style of play or something that approaches a synergy of weapons light & med. The combo of Pinata/Orkan and Pin/Tulu come to mind.
It is disappointing and hopefully Pix will look at the lack of use for the weapon and aim to fix the issue.
SoCal
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Post by endyu on Jan 22, 2018 12:05:27 GMT -5
I won 2 redeemers in the contest. I like to see things for myself and for me it is the newest weapon since my 3rd Zeus..... so kinda excited. I was leveling one to put on 2nd Lancelot to run a plasma Lance duo. Would have Reedemalot & Ancilot..... well just no. I took it to L9 and dropped it on my L11 Lance w L12 Tarans. The out-of-sequence fire rate with the Tarans is distracting and it almost makes you think the fire button is jammed or something. I ran 5-6 battles and does not fit my style of play or something that approaches a synergy of weapons light & med. The combo of Pinata/Orkan and Pin/Tulu come to mind. It is disappointing and hopefully Pix will look at the lack of use for the weapon and aim to fix the issue. SoCal Not just that, but the Ember is better at all ranges in not only damage, but bypassing both shields/anciles The redeemer was put out as basically an obsolete weapon, which is pretty ridiculous. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 22, 2018 14:09:27 GMT -5
I prefer the Redeemer over the Ember. I've been running it on either a plasma Golem or plasma Leo. Not sure which one I like better right now. Both currently have similar HP (Golem is level 12 and Leo is level 8), but I think I'll keep it on the Leo for a bit more and slowly keep upgrading the Leo. It's true that the Redeemer's firing rate doesn't pair well with other plasma weapons. But, on the Golem, you're basically firing plasma in a non stop manner. This good just in case you miss or are struck by the Taran bug (so annoying when you can see hits that should score but don't), but when you hit, the damage is underwhelming sometimes. On the Leo, even if you miss or are hit by the bug, the Magnums will keep pounding away at your target.
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Post by krebby on Jan 22, 2018 14:45:01 GMT -5
After experimenting with many builds. I think I've settled on the Lance/Redeemer/Taran as being my favorite. I don't really have a problem with the slightly different firing rate of the Redeemer and Tarans—I aim to unload both weapons and then hide in cover until both are reloaded. I developed this habit while playing the Redeemer/Taran Boa.
What I like best about the Redeemer/Taran build is that it is strong against Ancilelots. The extra firepower of the Redeemer makes it suicidal for an Ancilot to simply stand there trading fire. I also like being able to melt Haechis if I catch them by surprise.
That said, the Redeemalot is not a tank, and should not be played as a tank. It plays a lot like a brickfighting boa, in that you should try to hug cover as much as possible, pop out to unload your weapons, then get back in cover. It also is very vulnerable to DB Griffins and Orkchis—those builds should be approached with great caution. And RDBs, while not as popular as they once were, will ruin your day from a distance.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 22, 2018 15:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by endyu on Jan 22, 2018 15:28:43 GMT -5
WOW!!! That looks painful as hell, and now I'm thinking about dusting off my two redeemers and finding a bot to run them on again. I would be interested in seeing a Redeemer/Ember/Redeemer Fury, I don't have a Fury or Ember yet, but it seems like it would work the same as an Inquisitor/Lance but with more firepower and less protection. Without a Fury, what bot would you suggest running these on? |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 22, 2018 19:55:18 GMT -5
WOW!!! That looks painful as hell, and now I'm thinking about dusting off my two redeemers and finding a bot to run them on again. I would be interested in seeing a Redeemer/Ember/Redeemer Fury, I don't have a Fury or Ember yet, but it seems like it would work the same as an Inquisitor/Lance but with more firepower and less protection. Without a Fury, what bot would you suggest running these on? League depending, I'd look at carnage or Natasha. Carnage seems squishy tho, and the Nat would have 2 mags to help. Speed and hp is the same, I think I'd try the Nat. Keep in mind also, those were mk2 in the vid, so ymmv. |
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 22, 2018 20:00:48 GMT -5
I have 2. Running one on a Lancelot with Tarans is very situational. If ur up against a Plasma Haechi, u win. In fact, I’d say in a 1v1 against anything with Plasma, u win thanks to the shield. Except maybe the bulgasari.
Due to the kind of bots that can mount it, there aren’t that many options. I’m trying out a redeemeber, ember fury.
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Post by Radar love on Jan 23, 2018 3:37:46 GMT -5
I have 2. Running one on a Lancelot with Tarans is very situational. If ur up against a Plasma Haechi, u win. In fact, I’d say in a 1v1 against anything with Plasma, u win thanks to the shield. Except maybe the bulgasari. Due to the kind of bots that can mount it, there aren’t that many options. I’m trying out a redeemeber, ember fury. You reckon a redeemer taran lance would be enough to finally stop a plasma galahad? |
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Post by magnumforce on Mar 22, 2018 10:19:48 GMT -5
The Redeemer/Magnum Natasha can keep shooting with the mags while the redeemers do the real damage but is a little squishy. Redeemer/Magnum Leo has the best armor but losing a redeemer for another mag isn't something I would want. Redeemer/Taran/Magnum Golem has similar firepower to the Leo with the Taran and Magnum and the best speed but also a bit squishy. Have put a Redeemer lvl8 on a Nat10 with 2 mags lvl9 and an ancile lvl8 in the other heavy slot. Was running a Leo with 3 mags and a Redeemer, but it was squishy. Leo has a bit more speed and armor, but the ancile more makes up for the lost light slot. Have changed roles for those two old heavy bots: I reassigned a dual Zeus Gekko Nat which was pretty awesome for a tri-Gekko Zeus Leo and the above mentioned Redemeer Mag Ancile Natasha. So far, have been satisfied with the change. 3 Gekkos and a Zeus on the Leo has mid-long covered plus excellent suppressive fire, and the Nat can keep splash and kinetic at bay long enough to close into plasma range. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 22, 2018 11:30:55 GMT -5
Been rollin' with it on the Golem on the iOS account:  Even at my low-ish levels of weapons I am showing real results with the Golem. My Damage dropped a lil while back when I had so many tankers in my matches. I dropped a league and damage dropped to lower 400k average... but before that it was almost 600k and I am getting close to 500k again now while I am already back in Expert 3 and on my way to E2. That Golem actually is a big part of that. The Redeemer being on the side with the Mag makes it my favorite side to corner shoot with. All 3 weapons will tear up some soft skinned opponents in no time... and that Golem having been MK2-ed lets me survive long enough that sustained fire is not a problem. If I had 2 I would prolly put them on a Natty with Mags... or maybe on a Fury with my single Dragoon... IDK. Definitely NOT Carnage. Dragoon Carnage maybe... but not Redeemer. Range and RoF is just too low for Carnage's fragility. IMO, YMMV |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 22, 2018 11:35:50 GMT -5
Crap. Just realized how old this thread is... apparently the zombie caught me when I wasn't looking...  |
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