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Post by Replicant on Dec 11, 2017 15:40:43 GMT -5
Are Rhinos a thing again?
I had one on my iOS Expert account for a while (tried both Plasma and DB). It didn't impress me greatly, but that could have been pilot error. Since I switched to FBGR (Champion), I recently re-acquired a Rhino (Hellfire) and have been using him as an opener. I'm finding he's very effective. Take as given that smaller bots from lower league score players die horribly to it, but its doing well against Leos, Carnages, Lances, Griffins and K-bots - anything that's not running a rocket setup.
I'm sure some of this is opponents just not being familiar with the Rhino's weaknesses, and I'd still rather be fielding a Haechi, but for people who don't want to spend it seems like the Rhino is a valid alternative. Any thoughts?
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Post by darthbobafett on Dec 11, 2017 16:03:08 GMT -5
Are Rhinos a thing again? I had one on my iOS Expert account for a while (tried both Plasma and DB). It didn't impress me greatly, but that could have been pilot error. Since I switched to FBGR (Champion), I recently re-acquired a Rhino (Hellfire) and have been using him as an opener. I'm finding he's very effective. Take as given that smaller bots from lower league score players die horribly to it, but its doing well against Leos, Carnages, Lances, Griffins and K-bots - anything that's not running a rocket setup. I'm sure some of this is opponents just not being familiar with the Rhino's weaknesses, and I'd still rather be fielding a Haechi, but for people who don't want to spend it seems like the Rhino is a valid alternative. Any thoughts? Definitely one of my best mechs. I use it as a late-game beacon capper and it can deliver a ton of firepower too. I've killed Leos, taran fuijins, ancilots, and even taran haechis single-handily. You just have to be careful not to use the Rhino where rockets are focused on you.
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 11, 2017 16:14:46 GMT -5
Since it got a speed buff last summer. Many would say it is a staple in hangers that want a heavy brawler that doubles as a beacon runner.
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Post by bugdoc on Dec 11, 2017 17:07:19 GMT -5
Since it got a speed buff last summer. Many would say it is a staple in hangers that want a heavy brawler that doubles as a beacon runner. I used it for the inverse: a fast beacon runner that doubles as a brawler.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 11, 2017 17:14:45 GMT -5
I love my Hellfire Rhino, been opening with it for months. But I am 16 components away from a Haechi, and it will take it's place being much more mobile and having more firepower and a rechargeable shield.
Until you get a Haechi or Bulgasari, I'd recommend the Rhino. Just know a Haechi will not only beat you to the beacon, it will kill you when you arrive without taking much damage so it isn't very useful at the top anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 17:18:39 GMT -5
If I had a rhino, I would definitely use it. From the games I've played over the last few weeks, I think the knifing meta is shifting a bit more towards plasma because of the haechi, and its a great counter against ancilots also. Because of this, the Rhino can make a huge comeback as it isn't largely affected by plasma. It is useful for large maps with far off beacons (yama, powerplant) and you need a beacon capper. Its also really good against plasma, because the shield is really durable, and you can just put your shield up until either you finish reloading, or they need to reload. With the right tactics, a rhino can steamroll. Plus, as Joopiter said, it is a heavy brawler that doubles as a beacon runner, which is very useful.
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Post by Replicant on Dec 11, 2017 17:38:49 GMT -5
... Just know a Haechi will not only beat you to the beacon, it will kill you when you arrive without taking much damage so it isn't very useful at the top anymore. The Haechi is assumed to be running a triple Orkan setup? It feels like there's a rock/paper/scissors dynamic going on. If I can get a Taran Haechi to engage my Rhino in tight environments like Beacon B on Powerplant, he's usually dead. Whereas if I'm in open terrain the best I can do vs. an Orkan Haechi is score a few hits before he wrecks me (and then reply with a Fujin).
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 11, 2017 17:58:44 GMT -5
It's as bad on fbgr as. It is elsewhere, for exactly the same reasons.
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Dec 11, 2017 17:59:17 GMT -5
I love the Rhino as a camper killer. Love rushing the Fury and Natasha long range builds on open maps and introducing them to my Orkans!?
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 11, 2017 17:59:40 GMT -5
... Just know a Haechi will not only beat you to the beacon, it will kill you when you arrive without taking much damage so it isn't very useful at the top anymore. The Haechi is assumed to be running a triple Orkan setup? It feels like there's a rock/paper/scissors dynamic going on. If I can get a Taran Haechi to engage my Rhino in tight environments like Beacon B on Powerplant, he's usually dead. Whereas if I'm in open terrain the best I can do vs. an Orkan Haechi is score a few hits before he wrecks me (and then reply with a Fujin). Yeah versus Plasma the Rhino really shines. But I really recommend the Hellfire Rhino because Plasma Rhino can't deal with shielded robots. With the Hellfire Rhino with the shield up, you can trade nicely with Plasma Griffins and Haechis and Carnages (unless they have Embers).
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 11, 2017 18:09:13 GMT -5
I run a lot of rockets since I just restarted on Android and don't have Plasma yet, so I always enjoy running into red Rhino's. In the higher, more balanced (weapon type balance) leagues, I would think it is viable and serves a role.
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Post by hyderier on Dec 11, 2017 18:12:59 GMT -5
I keep going back to Punishers on my Rhinos. They just work for me... Even though they're only level 8 (FBGR, Champ). Quite often the Puns and Pun Ts aren't even in sync, but that's no problem (similar to how Hellfire Rhino works quite well). It's good up close, and it's great at 400m, out of plasma range. And when I manage to get to point blank range, circling enemy (yes, Rhino has been able to do that since its speed buff) with Puns glowing hot, it has really insane DPS, able to kill anything in one salvo if it doesn't get killed first.
Still, for a new player... Rhino is utter waste of WSP. Only WSP item worth anything any more is basically Tarans. Everything else... just no. WSP is for components to get the new OP gear. Rhino is utterly obsolete, considering how expensive it is (compared to, say Griffin or even Rogatka). Try to get what other WSP things you want from events.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 11, 2017 20:19:24 GMT -5
My guess:
New players on FBGR do not know how to pilot Rhino properly.
Old players migrated to FBGR do not bother to pilot one due to its well-known weakness.
So...
FBGR new players cannot learn how to deal with skillful Rhino properly. Migrated old players, yes they kill Rhinos, but I think the population is not large.
Btw, toyed a Rhino to death with RDB yesterday (android). I tend to prefer even Raijin over Rhino under current meta...
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Post by captainplasmahad on Dec 11, 2017 22:56:46 GMT -5
I love my Hellfire Rhino, been opening with it for months. But I am 16 components away from a Haechi, and it will take it's place being much more mobile and having more firepower and a rechargeable shield. Until you get a Haechi or Bulgasari, I'd recommend the Rhino. Just know a Haechi will not only beat you to the beacon, it will kill you when you arrive without taking much damage so it isn't very useful at the top anymore. I replaced my dB rhino ok/pins with a 3ok bulg. I’m not really certain that it has more firepower. 2pins have a lot of firepower. Possible more than a single Orkan. I haven’t compared mathematically, just by what I would wreck with my rhino vs current wrecking with my bulg. Also downside to bulg, using shield on an angle means you can’t see your enemy. That’s hard to get use to. Wish bulg had energy shield too.
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Post by cheap on Dec 12, 2017 1:19:00 GMT -5
i've used the rhino as my lead off beacon runner since speed buff an i love it. lvl 9 rhino 10gekko/9tulu. 1 out of every 3 matches i get toasted by nothing but rockets but i can always get 1 beacon with her, plus the gekko's are usally a good surprise for a red when i can whittle some health down from range.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Dec 12, 2017 5:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by Alpha on Dec 12, 2017 5:58:40 GMT -5
Yep I love my Rhino grate Beacon caper and has lots of fire power plus he has a great dance too to boot!
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Post by Pilot sand735 on Dec 12, 2017 11:01:15 GMT -5
even kumiho kills a rhino before it fires
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 12:45:37 GMT -5
I love my Hellfire Rhino, been opening with it for months. But I am 16 components away from a Haechi, and it will take it's place being much more mobile and having more firepower and a rechargeable shield. Until you get a Haechi or Bulgasari, I'd recommend the Rhino. Just know a Haechi will not only beat you to the beacon, it will kill you when you arrive without taking much damage so it isn't very useful at the top anymore. I replaced my dB rhino ok/pins with a 3ok bulg. I’m not really certain that it has more firepower. 2pins have a lot of firepower. Possible more than a single Orkan. I haven’t compared mathematically, just by what I would wreck with my rhino vs current wrecking with my bulg. ... anecdotal evidence versus math... math is a superior way of obtaining knowledge. A single Orkan does more damage than two Pinatas, but unloads slower. Thus, a DB Rhino does more damage initially because it has 4 rockets coming out at a time for a few seconds, while the Orkans only have 3. But once those Orkans have fully unloaded, the Bulgasari has done more damage.
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Post by hyderier on Dec 12, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -5
Rhino anecdote. Heavily damaged, shield up, running towards center beacon, being shot from left and right. End up in beacon capturing position with under 20k HP left, and Scourge-Gecko Griffin shooting at me, but I have my shield up and towards the Griffin.
So I just sit there (both light weapons are blown off), capture the beacon, and wait for the shield to break. And wait... And wait... Ok, finally the Scourges and Geckos get through, I get to pepper him for a few seconds with my single remaining Punisher T before I die.
But any other bot... wouldn't have made it even near the beacon. It took the Rhino speed, HP and shield to do it. Well, Bulgasari would have, of course. And a Haechi would have just gone and killed the offending Griffin while capping the beacon. And Kumiho would have gone to kill the other red bot, capture the beacon from other side, and then kill the Griffin. But apart from those, Rhino was probably the only bot which could pull that off.
(Still lost the game, Rhino was my last bot and then it was one blue Noricum pothead Leo against 2 red Griffins or something... But it was still a fun moment.)
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Post by joshfishyu on Dec 12, 2017 14:29:51 GMT -5
Rhino is the only mech that have shield and at the same time fast enough to catch Shocktrain Haechi and Bulgasari.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 12, 2017 15:46:01 GMT -5
I pull my Rhino out whenever I have beacon tasks, but it is not a staple. Too vulnerable to rockets and the game's pace has outpaced the Rhino's effectiveness.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 12, 2017 16:41:46 GMT -5
I've had my rhino in storage for some time now but every now and then I dust the old beast off. My observation is he usually either does really well or dies horrible and fast.
Now that more people are running plasma to counter haechi, he seems to do a bit better, but those bots that the plasma is out there to counter are death to the rhino.
If he wasn't the slowest bot in the game when it comes to finding cover, maybe he would do a lot better. (Finding reverse is easier in a semi truck! They should add grinding gear and backup alarm sound effects when you back a rhino up)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 23:13:53 GMT -5
I've had my rhino in storage for some time now but every now and then I dust the old beast off. My observation is he usually either does really well or dies horrible and fast. Now that more people are running plasma to counter haechi, he seems to do a bit better, but those bots that the plasma is out there to counter are death to the rhino. If he wasn't the slowest bot in the game when it comes to finding cover, maybe he would do a lot better. (Finding reverse is easier in a semi truck! They should add grinding gear and backup alarm sound effects when you back a rhino up) Plasma Rhino is a beast. It's still a glass cannon, but I really like using it. You can use Griffin, as many still prefer it. But I use the Rhino like a dash bot. Get in there fast, do your dmg - kill the bot, then dash out. The longer you stay at one place, the longer they can get their defences up. So you have to dash in - and dash out to unbalance them. As long as you're careful before making a move, the Rhino won't die. If you're used to using weak bots like the Galahad or Ancilot, then you'll be surprised how fast you can kill a bot with 4 plasma weapons. Remember, offence is its defence.
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