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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 13:29:40 GMT -5
Relative newbie here (recently hit Level 27, 4 bots with Bots/Weapons at level 7-8). I'm madly hoarding Au to open up my 5th Bot Slot, and then of course I need thousands more for Au Bots/Equipment and for additional Hangars.
OTOH, after successfully grinding up to the Trebuchet, I'm currently sitting on a hoard of about 15 million Ag, with nothing to spend it on.
Are there any uses for Ag in the game besides buying basic Bots/Equipment and buying upgrades? Otherwise, I can't see my need for Ag ever outpacing my ability to earn it, unless I buy enough Au to start rushing my upgrades.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 9, 2017 13:36:42 GMT -5
Yes. There is never too much Ag once you start leveling anything past level 9. Upgrading a Zeus from 11 to 12 takes 31 million Ag, for example.
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Post by NerFB on Dec 9, 2017 13:38:10 GMT -5
Welcome, enjoy the forum and the game. Oh boy, Have we got news for you.....
The cost of upgrades is exponential. 15m Ag won’t even upgrade 1 medium weapon from L11 to L12. You will run out surprisingly quickly after L9 ish. So, use it carefully, only upgrade stuff you really need.
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 9, 2017 13:38:57 GMT -5
15m Ag is nothing. 15b would be something. Going higher you will concider 15m as bankruptcy.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 13:41:04 GMT -5
I expected the exponential cost increase...but does the cost outpace the exponential time increase? 31 Million for an upgrade that takes 14 days isn't expensive...I can earn faster than that.
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Post by sanr on Dec 9, 2017 13:41:36 GMT -5
No amount of silver can ever be enough unless you have more than a billion. 15m is a measly amount of silver, which you'll soon realise. You'll need that at every step of the upgrades, whose costs rise steeply beyond level 8-9. If you post your hangar and your current league here, we could provide some constructive feedback.
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 9, 2017 13:47:48 GMT -5
31 is roughly 4-5 day upgrade. 5m a day will almost cover it. So the advice to carefully concider what to upgrade is really relevant. Depends of course of your competetiveness.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
31 is roughly 4-5 day upgrade. 5m a day will almost cover it. So the advice to carefully concider what to upgrade is really relevant. Depends of course of your competetiveness. I don't expect to be top-tier competitive, as I simply have no intetest in pumping 100s of dollars into the game, so I'm restricted to equipment I can acquire "naturally". Once I get my 5th Bot Slot open (regret buying that Gepard now...) that should bump my win rate and battle ranking up considerably, which will boost my Ag and Au earnings. I'll post an overview of my hangar in a bit...short of time right now
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 14:29:52 GMT -5
Hangar Overview (can't seem to post a screenshot)
Natasha (7) --Thunder (6) x2 --Magnum (7) x2
Leo (7) --Thunder (7) --Aphid (7) --Pinata (6) --Punisher (6)
Natasha (6)--upgrade in progress --Trebuchet (6) --Kang Dae (5) --Magnum (7) --Aphid (6)
Griffin (7) --Hydra (8) --Punisher T (6) --Molot (6) --Spiral (7)
Benchwarmers: Vityaz (8) Gepard (6) Boa (1) Destrier (5) Cossack (4)
Spare Weapons: Trebuchet (1) Talumbas (5) Pin (6) x 2 Various common weapons.
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 9, 2017 14:33:53 GMT -5
A bit wonkey. Even out the weapons?
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 14:39:39 GMT -5
A bit wonkey. Even out the weapons? A lot of the imbalance is from recently switching up the configurations. The Natasha (6) I earned in the challenge a couple days ago, along with a Magnum, Aphid, and Trebuchet. The Kang Dae came from a free Black Market spin, seemed the best Heavy to pair up with the Treb. Not sure if I want to keep the Kang, so I'm hesitant to level it up, but I'll probably need it if I use Vityaz when I get my 5th slot.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 14:43:21 GMT -5
Also...currently just shy of level 28, Silver League 1 (1632 rating), and Win Rate 60%.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 9, 2017 14:54:40 GMT -5
I expected the exponential cost increase...but does the cost outpace the exponential time increase? 31 Million for an upgrade that takes 14 days isn't expensive...I can earn faster than that. Takes 5 days and 17 hours to go from level 11 to level 12 warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/ZeusAnyways, someone did the math awhile back and if you start upgrading any item from level 1 you can take it to level 12 and break even in your Ag reserves if you grind 3.8 million Ag per day.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 9, 2017 14:57:02 GMT -5
31 is roughly 4-5 day upgrade. 5m a day will almost cover it. So the advice to carefully concider what to upgrade is really relevant. Depends of course of your competetiveness. I don't expect to be top-tier competitive, as I simply have no intetest in pumping 100s of dollars into the game, so I'm restricted to equipment I can acquire "naturally". Once I get my 5th Bot Slot open (regret buying that Gepard now...) that should bump my win rate and battle ranking up considerably, which will boost my Ag and Au earnings. I'll post an overview of my hangar in a bit...short of time right now Don't worry, there are worse things to purchase. I've probably dumped at least 5000 Au on skins when I could have used that for another Lancelot or perhaps a Fury
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 15:00:32 GMT -5
I don't expect to be top-tier competitive, as I simply have no intetest in pumping 100s of dollars into the game, so I'm restricted to equipment I can acquire "naturally". Once I get my 5th Bot Slot open (regret buying that Gepard now...) that should bump my win rate and battle ranking up considerably, which will boost my Ag and Au earnings. I'll post an overview of my hangar in a bit...short of time right now Don't worry, there are worse things to purchase. I've probably dumped at least 5000 Au on skins when I could have used that for another Lancelot or perhaps a Fury True...plus, I had a lot of fun running a Gepard with Aphid + Spiral x2. I'm sure I pissed off numerous opponents lol.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 9, 2017 15:18:52 GMT -5
I have around 760 mil silver atm, and a 4 slot hangar with most of weap lvl9/10..will get 5th slot soon and I guess 760 mil might not be enough to upgrade all of my stuff to lvl 12..although when you upgrade you will play during that time and if you have premium then mostly 50% of silver is grinded out during upgrading time assuming your upgrades are lvl 10+..but if they are of lower lvl then your silver pile stock will keep on increasing but will help you out later in the game Also I am talking about lvl 12 mk1..mk2 max Is for billioners or whales
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Post by sanr on Dec 9, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5
Your hangar needs quite a bit of adjustment. The Thunder Mag Natasha seems to be the only decent build here, which is fine for a relatively new player. Buy a pair of Magnums and Tarans each with the WSP. The Griffin is a versatile bot which is viable even in the higher leagues if you get the configurations right. You could perhaps put a pair of Pins and Tulumbas, which serves as an excellent mid-range support. Shelve the long-range Natasha and get another Griffin to make a leadhose Griffin (all punishers). It'll serve as a range control bot, as well as useful in shredding all types of shields, both physical and energy. Punishers also deal heavy damage under 150 meters. You could also try the Thunder Punisher Leo, and see if it suits you better. A Magnum Taran Griffin is also an excellent setup once you have them. The mixed weapon setup on the Leo doesn't utilize its true potential. I'd recommend the Thunder Magnum, Thunder Punisher and Thunder Pinata builds. Leo has a high health pool, and requires weapons that give sustained damage with low reloads. Magnums have no reloads, and best fit this role. Punishers also have a long fire time and work well. Pinatas give a good alpha damage, and after the initial burst, they emit single rockets, so be mindful of the possible covers around to get a reload. Trebs do fine damage, only if leveled high enough. Kang Dae is as good as useless, so don't waste time on it. Nashorns have a higher damage per minute with shorter reloads if you insist on using it. Treb Gekko Natasha serves as a decent long-range bot if that suits your play style. Homing missiles like Spirals and Hydras do little damage and annoy everyone. They seem fancy, yet do nothing to improve your skill. Steer clear of them, if you can. Once you get the 5th slot open, you should accumulate gold for a couple of orkans. Orkans and Tarans are still one of the best weapons in the game. You could get a Golem for the fifth slot once you have a single orkan, rather than the Vityaz. It is the cheapest bot to purchase and upgrade, and has a good amount of health. It will also improve your corner shooting, having wide hardpoint placements. Aphids are good, but mostly in pairs or greater. Fast bots are the most fun platforms for them. However, Aphid Orkan Griffin is also decent. Your win percentage will tend to average around 50% unless you get all the DIES stuff to maxed MkII or play in the lower leagues with higher leveled setups (which isn't a good practice). Once your win rate goes higher, you'll face higher league players, until you start losing and your win rate drops. Once your win rate drops below 50%, you will start to face similar or lower levelled opponents, so that your win rate rises.
Edit: Upgrade weapons before bots. Level 6 bots are enough to get you through the Gold league. Mixed range weapons don't synergise. Even different weapon types don't always work well together.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 9, 2017 15:38:47 GMT -5
As you level bots and weaps, you'll start moving up in league as well. Opponents tougher and rewards will be harder to acquire. As stated earlier, level out your gear also check what mechs, gear and loadout being used by the reds after each battle to give you an idea of the current meta for your league.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 9, 2017 16:09:23 GMT -5
I have 515,000,000 Ag.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 9, 2017 19:19:36 GMT -5
As you level bots and weaps, you'll start moving up in league as well. Opponents tougher and rewards will be harder to acquire. As stated earlier, level out your gear also check what mechs, gear and loadout being used by the reds after each battle to give you an idea of the current meta for your league. I reached that point when I went from Silver II to Silver I. Much harder to crack Top 3 to earn Au...especially when Me Strongest = Loss, Me Weakest = Win. Getting bettee though, I'm 3-4 most fights now. Learning the maps and getting used to my Bots helped a lot. That's why I'm so eager to get the 5th slot. The Frontal Assault style I need to deal enough damage means I'm often the first player on my team to be eliminated.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 9, 2017 21:36:43 GMT -5
If youre looking to keep it fun, most pilots stay at lv 6. Im at wepslv7/bots 9 with an all medium hangar which keeps me oscillating between gold 3-2. Still in the fun zone. We stil get tankers, specially before events though. Id say hit at least that level across the board and sort out your gear/mech compatability. I notice you have an unlevelled boa. Thats pretty useful once levelled with a thunder taran setup. It'll also give you a bit of mobility. At lower levels, it can eat griffins when properly played and can be pushed to cap.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 9, 2017 22:30:03 GMT -5
You'll need about 1 billion ag for lvl 12 hangar. Twice that for for mk2.
Merry Christmas
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Dec 10, 2017 9:04:17 GMT -5
STOP WHERE YOU ARE. Get everything lvl even and decide how much higher you want to go. I have 2 active accounts, 1 lvl 12 (slowly getting to MK2) in Champion League, and one all lvl 6 in Gold 2. Honestly, I have more fun with the 2nd.
You've seen a few Cash bots - er...Dash bots by now. The higher leagues are swarming with them. About where you are is as close to what this game used to be as you're going to get. War Robots used to be so much better before Leagues, but that's what we have now.
Avoid "Swiss Army knife" builds. Bots with something for every range don't do any range very well.
Looked like your highest stuff is lvl 7 or so. Get everything there and play a while. See where MM settles you out, then decide if you want to Lvl up more.
Don't worry about league rank. It is completely meaningless due to the tanker/clubbers (T/C). Just play your game and try not to be discouraged by them when you run into them.
There is still fun to be had with War Robots, but there's increasing frustration as well, since Pixonic encourages bad behavior.
Also, if you stay at Lvl 6 or 7, you really don't need as much silver. Just let it build up, and if you decide to move into TT, it'll be there. It's not raiding your fridge or taking long, hot showers. Just let it grow.
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Post by robocain on Dec 10, 2017 17:38:52 GMT -5
Your highest leveled gear is currently at level 8. Set yourself a temporary goal. Bring all of your equipment to level 9 for example. That's what I've been doing for more than a year. I haven't leveled anything beyond level 9, but therefore I have a whole lot more stuff leveled to my sweet spot than somebody who maxxed some of his equipment. I will permanently stay at level 9 with my gear. Currently there are about 130 weapons and 33 bots ready to be assembled in my hangar.
Try to grind as much equipment from events as you can. You'll need lots of Ag aswell. I'm at 4/5 of the first Shocktrain task and have grinded about 160 million Ag during the event so far. I badly need it for tons of stuff that I'm leveling up to level 9.
Find your happy spot in the game. I'm cruising Diamond/Expert with my gear and stay mostly out of the whale-zone. Tons of viable builds and lots of fun.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 10, 2017 21:15:34 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input so far. Here's my thoughts on my hangar:
ThunderMag Natasha: Good offence, a bit fragile for the Frontal Assault style that the weapon config leans toward, and can be embarrassed on the large open maps because of the range limitations. Definitely one to choose when there's an active firefight in progress at/near a spawn point.
Papa Leo: Definitely my most effective Robot. Couple of you commented on the assortment of dissimilar weapons, but it seems to be working...so far at least. Given the dearth of Jump capability in my hangar, token Indirect Fire on each Robot comes in handy. Although I have definitely noticed the severe drop in firepower after the first few seconds in, once the Pinata and Thunder are reduced to reload ROF.
Long Range Natasha: Kind of a "leftovers" collection of weapons. The SniperBot role seems pretty underpowered, but I like it for now for a couple reasons: 1) My preferred first bot. Score some long-range unanswered damage with the Big Guns before the two sides start mixing it up. Biggest problem is no good options for the supporting guns. Thinking a couple Gekkos might do well, but I don't really want to spend the Au on that until after I get my 5th Bot Slot. 2) Using the long range guns is good practice for accuracy and learning the sight lines on the various maps. Still, I might trade it out for the Vityaz for a while...the extra speed is nice earning the 5Au Medal of Capture with a close beacon or two, plus I have a couple tasks that require a Medium Robot.
Griffin: Spent WSP on the Hydra, thought I'd build a Skirmisher with Hydra x2 + Aphid/Spiral x2. Hydra doesn't seem to be as effective as I expected. Might still try it though, just for fun, once I get a second Hydra. The current mixed bag is fun, but all told only moderately effective.
Upgrade priority will be my new Treb to at least 6, then probably the Thunders to 7.
Might play with the configs a bit though, see if I can get better results out of the guns I have.
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Post by mechtout on Dec 10, 2017 21:22:31 GMT -5
Resources... Get em cheap and stack em deep.
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Post by WilsonK on Dec 10, 2017 21:54:25 GMT -5
Relative newbie here (recently hit Level 27, 4 bots with Bots/Weapons at level 7-8). I'm madly hoarding Au to open up my 5th Bot Slot, and then of course I need thousands more for Au Bots/Equipment and for additional Hangars. OTOH, after successfully grinding up to the Trebuchet, I'm currently sitting on a hoard of about 15 million Ag, with nothing to spend it on. Are there any uses for Ag in the game besides buying basic Bots/Equipment and buying upgrades? Otherwise, I can't see my need for Ag ever outpacing my ability to earn it, unless I buy enough Au to start rushing my upgrades. Trust me, 15 mil may look like a lot to you right now, but it's basically peanuts when you're entering the land of the decade upgrades (>lvl.10) for almost anything. Just keep grinding and piling your Ag, there's never enough..
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Post by moody on Dec 10, 2017 22:08:53 GMT -5
31 is roughly 4-5 day upgrade. 5m a day will almost cover it. So the advice to carefully concider what to upgrade is really relevant. Depends of course of your competetiveness. I don't expect to be top-tier competitive, as I simply have no intetest in pumping 100s of dollars into the game, so I'm restricted to equipment I can acquire "naturally". Once I get my 5th Bot Slot open (regret buying that Gepard now...) that should bump my win rate and battle ranking up considerably, which will boost my Ag and Au earnings. I'll post an overview of my hangar in a bit...short of time right now As you go up in ranking your silver rate does not go up appreciably. A higher win rate will not happen - the system keeps you at an average 50%.
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Post by moody on Dec 10, 2017 22:09:29 GMT -5
PS. I had 200mil at the end of the last event. now down to 130mil.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 11, 2017 16:22:14 GMT -5
As you go up in ranking your silver rate does not go up appreciably. A higher win rate will not happen - the system keeps you at an average 50%. What I meant was, 5th Bot = More Damage = More Ag. More Damage = More Top 3 Placements = More Au. That's what sucks about just breaking into a higher league; makes it hard to earn Au quickly.
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