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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Dec 8, 2017 12:26:31 GMT -5
Right now I'm in my "Challenge Battles" to get into Champion League. (2 left, 5010 league points)
I consider myself a competitve player in the sense that I'm working into champions with an underleveled hanger, I know it's not that big of a deal at any level since most of it is grinding, but I've been working especially hard to optimizing my hanger for the meta so I have to tools to compete at 20-40% less damage output, I work on strategies such as bot drop order on specific maps, optimal routes for each loadout in my hanger, having tools/loadouts for each situation that comes up in beacon rush and finally I work tirelessly on optimizing gold/wsp deals on the specific weapons/bots I want for my playstyle/ (this has earned me an ember and an inquisitor over the long span of components so far)
Before I get to the question, I'll post my hanger and preferred playstyle; I don't play snipers or midrangers, plasma loadouts are as long range as I put in my hanger. My notes and reviews from battles over the past months has put me firmly in the camp that playing a full hanger of 350m or less has a direct correlation on my damage output and win rate, having 20% of my hanger dedicated to a midranger/sniper has too frequently lead me to disapointment in my options in the mid/end game when pushing territory really matters. On top of that, when a team opens a match with too much range/midrange it too frequently leads an opening disadvantage in beacons and condenses your team into a smaller area where you are weak to attack from brawlers from various angles, therefore I stopped playing my midrange setups and my damage and win rate has gone up significantly.
This is the hanger I used from Expert II to Master 1 (5010) where I currently am:
Tarancilot (10's)
Golem - Ember, Taran, Magnum (Mk2 12bot - 10/10/10)
PDB Griffin (10's)
Orkan Bulgasari (10's)
Thun/Ork Inquisitor (10 Orkans, 11 Thunder)
My bench consists of Rog (10), Boa (11), 2x Rhino (10), Griffin (10), Jesse (9), Gepard (10) -- I have a lot of weapons in the 9-10 range as well
I've delved a bit here and there testing a storm, or putting my Boa in briefly or punisher loadouts, but I usually come back to the above.
In settling on a hanger to max out, Ultimately I'm spending all my gold/wsp on Inquisitor #2 that will eventually replace the Golem as my ember/taran holder... I'm fairly close(ish) but long term plans you know...
What I don't like: Lancelot - It's probably me, but I just don't like my lance, I know the golem will get replaced eventually (inquisitor), and the PDB Griffin i'm very fond of as my haechi killer & map opener frequently, but I know there are better plasma housing options (Haechi).
I got a Kumiho during the last event and never leveled it up because I always had my Rogs as skirmishers if I wanted, my question to those with Kumiho experience: Is it really worth a hanger slot in Champion league? I kill them literally all the time easily with my PDB Griffin when I open maps with it, especially dead city, valley, shenz etc... But I can see the value in always contesting middle beacon and having a highish chance of survival.
If yes, is Orkan by far the best loadout? (Some people say Taran Rog's are effective, but that's a pile of crap... you can't get nearly the DPS necessary for hit and runs with Tarans vs Orkans with a Rog)
Gimme some input.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 12:39:06 GMT -5
Kumiho is the poor man's Haechi.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 8, 2017 12:43:10 GMT -5
Right now I'm in my "Challenge Battles" to get into Champion League. (2 left, 5010 league points) I consider myself a competitve player in the sense that I'm working into champions with an underleveled hanger, I know it's not that big of a deal at any level since most of it is grinding, but I've been working especially hard to optimizing my hanger for the meta so I have to tools to compete at 20-40% less damage output, I work on strategies such as bot drop order on specific maps, optimal routes for each loadout in my hanger, having tools/loadouts for each situation that comes up in beacon rush and finally I work tirelessly on optimizing gold/wsp deals on the specific weapons/bots I want for my playstyle/ (this has earned me an ember and an inquisitor over the long span of components so far) Before I get to the question, I'll post my hanger and preferred playstyle; I don't play snipers or midrangers, plasma loadouts are as long range as I put in my hanger. My notes and reviews from battles over the past months has put me firmly in the camp that playing a full hanger of 350m or less has a direct correlation on my damage output and win rate, having 20% of my hanger dedicated to a midranger/sniper has too frequently lead me to disapointment in my options in the mid/end game when pushing territory really matters. On top of that, when a team opens a match with too much range/midrange it too frequently leads an opening disadvantage in beacons and condenses your team into a smaller area where you are weak to attack from brawlers from various angles, therefore I stopped playing my midrange setups and my damage and win rate has gone up significantly. This is the hanger I used from Expert II to Master 1 (5010) where I currently am: Tarancilot (10's) Golem - Ember, Taran, Magnum (Mk2 12bot - 10/10/10) PDB Griffin (10's) Orkan Bulgasari (10's) Thun/Ork Inquisitor (10 Orkans, 11 Thunder) My bench consists of Rog (10), Boa (11), 2x Rhino (10), Griffin (10), Jesse (9), Gepard (10) -- I have a lot of weapons in the 9-10 range as well I've delved a bit here and there testing a storm, or putting my Boa in briefly or punisher loadouts, but I usually come back to the above. In settling on a hanger to max out, Ultimately I'm spending all my gold/wsp on Inquisitor #2 that will eventually replace the Golem as my ember/taran holder... I'm fairly close(ish) but long term plans you know... What I don't like: Lancelot - It's probably me, but I just don't like my lance, I know the golem will get replaced eventually (inquisitor), and the PDB Griffin i'm very fond of as my haechi killer & map opener frequently, but I know there are better plasma housing options (Haechi). I got a Kumiho during the last event and never leveled it up because I always had my Rogs as skirmishers if I wanted, my question to those with Kumiho experience: Is it really worth a hanger slot in Champion league? I kill them literally all the time easily with my PDB Griffin when I open maps with it, especially dead city, valley, shenz etc... But I can see the value in always contesting middle beacon and having a highish chance of survival. If yes, is Orkan by far the best loadout? (Some people say Taran Rog's are effective, but that's a pile of crap... you can't get nearly the DPS necessary for hit and runs with Tarans vs Orkans with a Rog) Gimme some input. Although I have never passed above expert 2 but I do own a kumiho and I find it weak against mid range bots like fury,carnage etc..if you are in champ you probably won’t have a rdb which is a good poin but zues always melt kumiho down unless it can hide..but in long maps it’s close to impossible to hide at centre..it’s just like giving enemy a free kill On the other hand it’s benifits are you can easily kill a ancilot ( u need high lvl orks though), which I believe is little harder for a rog unless blues are helping..with kumiho you just have to enter buble ,unload your orks and ancilot would be dead Now I have also seen some Taran kumiho,although this setup requires more skills and I believe if you got em you may as well kill a haeichi or atleast take out 80% of health coz of faster cool down of dashes,although one wrong dash and you are dead I am in no position to give advise to ya but still I guess a max zues fury can help you out..ik too many mid are no fun but you need atleast one that’s what I believe...hope it helps out a little Also if you are looking for a fun bot,kumi is one of them..with its high speed you can easily confuse a unskilled pilot and kill it before even it knew what happened although I don’t think such pilots would be there in champ or legend leaugues |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 8, 2017 12:47:06 GMT -5
Kumi is the third or maybe the 4th best bot in the game. The only things in your hangar that are as good or better are the ancilot and inquisitor. Also, you have zero fast bots in your starting 5, which some might say is a problem.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Dec 8, 2017 12:51:05 GMT -5
Ok, Kumiho is actually an awesome bot, but you can not expect him to do what other bots do and use his strengths appropriately:
1. Orkans are best if you train yourself to play as an ambusher and beacon capper.
2 Tarans are also awesome and give you 50 meters further than orkan.
3. Shocktrain-this really plays into the strengths of kumiho and is not a total douche bot as it won't wipe out a whole team immediately.
Know how to approach a target-never try to take down an ancile, but get in the bubble, once in, rotate around the target.
Also, do not MK2 bots first, its a total waste of resources and gives the reds more silver. Level up your weps and get them as strong as can be. Just get the bots to level 9 where you have max speed (the exception to this are bots with shields where the leveling up on these really makes sense). High level bots with low level weapons is not effective in making a better hanger.
When I run my Kumiho I use MK2 orkans or tarans and both work really well. With Kumiho's speed you can evade almost anything that will immediately wipe you out, so you do not have to go after a bot that will kill you fast. Also you can be very effective as a partner to take down big game because you can strafe a distracted bot very effectively.
Also, learn how to glide off of edges, its fun and gets you somewhere even faster.
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Post by noobcake on Dec 8, 2017 12:53:13 GMT -5
I recently switched my Zeus Carnage for an orkan kumiho. It was a bit painful at first since the Zeus is excellent right now. That said, grabbing the center beacon first makes a massive difference on some maps. Whether you enjoy this play style is more personal. I used to love playing the Rog and now I enjoy the kumiho. The kumiho isn’t for everyone but it is definitely viable in champion. That said, you should hit champion league once your weapons are closer to 11.
Here are a couple helpful tips for the kumiho:
Uneven surfaces are not your friend while using dash
Save up all your dashes and rockets before combat or before entering open spaces (even if you need to hide temporarily)
Use the tall weapon configuration to shoot over surfaces no other bot can! (DC, PP, SF, have really juicy spots!)
If you can’t beat plasma, run! Around a corner is fine but getting really close makes you hard to hit. Close enough to kiss essentially.
Master rocket dodging at 150m.
Master the bug that lets you continue dash speed off of ramps. You’ll get to Yama and SF center beacon faster.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 8, 2017 14:32:49 GMT -5
3 beacons per game ? if you become master of it you can kill tharnage inside the bubble but you will get huge damage also it can wipe ancilot easily also it's able to wipe rhino out of arena easily only problem is mid Rangers and gekkos
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Post by snk on Dec 9, 2017 9:48:08 GMT -5
I got a 9/10 Orkan Kuminho, it is a fun bot to play. But It isn’t a damage dealing bot, the 2 Orkan can deal decent damage, can wear down full Ancile (level 12 Orkan from my Rogatka experience), but don’t expect him to kill Ancile bot (except in 1 v 1, and able dash inside the Ancile) or more HP bot in 1salvo. The reload from only 2 Orkans mean it need more time to reload after unload, but the good things is, no one can catch you if you want to retreat and reload. 2 Dash + 1 Dash in 4 more Seconds, you can survive very long time if you play it right. It is the best beacon capper for my opinion (don’t have Hover, but own most cappers). But still, if damage is your priority, you won’t like it.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Dec 9, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -5
Hey Ⓑⓞⓑ ⒹⓨⓛⓐⓝThanks for your post. The others have given good advice, particularly F-A-H-Q and noobcake. I will just try to give my perspective. Kumiho is the best beacon capper in the game right now. I play one every game in Champion League and find it indispensable seeing I have no other DIESS equipment. This is especially so in Beacon Rush for example. I also spend only small amounts on the game, so for me to win at least 5 gold from beacons (and possibly 10 for most damage as well) helps me keep spinning lucky spin to maintain my free premium hours. Although if you’re looking at your 2nd Inquisitor this may not be as important a factor for you. Before Kumiho I was a die hard Orkan Rog fan, not just because it was a fun setup, but because I could often do more damage in it than my DB Griffin due to its mobility. I guess it just suited my play style. If you are the type of player who was very competitive with your Rogatka, I only see you being more so with your Kumiho. It’s not a damage horse, but it’s a hit and run territory thief. As you’re well aware, if you pressure the territory then the reds have to take more risks later on in the game to catch up, which plays perfectly into the hands of the rest of your hangar. Your hangar is very strong as it is, especially once you get the 2nd Inquisitor. You probably don’t need the Kumiho unless you’re losing games on territory. You may also want to try one just for the fun of extra mobility. Like the Rog though, it’s very easy to waste the Kumiho too quickly. If your team doesn’t back you up at centre, you should never waste the Kumiho trying to hold it. Although you know this already, watch yourself make this mistake anyway lol. It is probably a trade off. You might find yourself scoring a little lower average damage and meching out more often. Having said that, I’d be surprised if your winrate didn’t pick up a little though. Depends which stat is more important to you and what gives you the most fun. Decisions, decisions... all the best mate  |
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