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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 1, 2017 12:41:30 GMT -5
? have an orkumi (lvl9orks lvl7kumi) but he dies really fast it can outrun a rhino but dies afterwards. what should i do for surviving longer? Should i really use it as a beacon capper? ? have lvl5 stalker and level6 aphids should i use it as a beacon capper instead of kumi? ? also have level 5 Rhino but i use it as a fighter. Help my little kumi
My hanger
Level 9 tharnage
Level9 Pdb
My little kumi (level 9 orks level 7 Kumi)
Punisher griffin (all level 7) i can replace it because its low level
Db rhino (level 5 and 8 orks level 8 pinatas level 5 rhino)
What should i do for use my kumi as a fighter not as a beacon capper
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Post by darkknight on Dec 1, 2017 12:52:54 GMT -5
? have an orkumi (lvl9orks lvl7kumi) but he dies really fast it can outrun a rhino but dies afterwards. what should i do for surviving longer? Should i really use it as a beacon capper? ? have lvl5 stalker and level6 aphids should i use it as a beacon capper instead of kumi? ? also have level 5 Rhino but i use it as a fighter. Help my little kumi Learn to choose your target..ancilots are easy preys specially when reloading,avoid rdb snipers like zues ...with kumiho you can avoid treb attacks although it requires skills..how? Dash when they fire youâll easily avoid them or very less damage will occur..I really hated that I grinded during event for this bot and thought bot was 「dookie」 like what you said however I tried to learn gliding in air and some other stuff and itâs really nice..now I can even take out a bulg if player is not very skilled Try and avoid these bots as long as you donât master to pilot it :- Carnage,mag Leo with ancile,rdb ,any zues setup unless you are too close and think can fire and hide easily,haiechi (third hard point ainât much prob but that sheild is  ) Now Iâll say against which bots kumiho shines :- Plasma Griffin ,plasmacilot ,rajin,any beacon cappers even rog (need lil skills to kill a rog though),any leo as long as it donât have ancile and any natty too,Orkancilot when itâs reloading..with kumiho speed it can catch it easily when itâs trying to hide when itâs out of gas although timing is very imp,bulgasari as long as it don have orks..yesâs I have killed Taran bulg many times..coz of kumi speed and faster dash reload than bulky bulg itâs killable but you might end up losing too much hp and requires skills there maybe some other bots itâs good or bad against which I might have missed but these are common bots in field ..hope it can help you out |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 1, 2017 13:22:04 GMT -5
Sound's like you're charging in...
The first centre beacon runner ALWAYS dies fast. If you're running a Kumiho, you're likely outrunning your team mates so they can't get there in time to help you out. That's the drawback for being the fastest. You can slow down a bit to let a blue keep up, or have your escape route planned for after the beacon turns blue. Don't try to go toe to toe with anything, not even light reds. The most likely bots you'll see at the centre beacon are Rhinos, Gareths and Stalkers. The occasional Rog (me). The Rhinos will usually be a DB, so it'll melt you in about 2 seconds. Longer if you managed to dash in time. But at that close range, you can't dodge the rockets forever. You'll have a good chance at taking out a Gareth, but you'll have little health left if it's a DB Gareth, and if it's a PDB Gareth and you miss any of your rockets, it'll toast you. A Stalker will likely die under 1 full barrage of Orkans from you, but a smart Stalker pilot will go into stealth, so while you're messing with waiting for it's stealth to wear off, its buddies will waste you.
Bottom line, if you want your Kumiho to last longer, then A, don't put it down first, or B, plan your getaway route.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 1, 2017 13:48:10 GMT -5
Sound's like you're charging in... The first centre beacon runner ALWAYS dies fast. If you're running a Kumiho, you're likely outrunning your team mates so they can't get there in time to help you out. That's the drawback for being the fastest. You can slow down a bit to let a blue keep up, or have your escape route planned for after the beacon turns blue. Don't try to go toe to toe with anything, not even light reds. The most likely bots you'll see at the centre beacon are Rhinos, Gareths and Stalkers. The occasional Rog (me). The Rhinos will usually be a DB, so it'll melt you in about 2 seconds. Longer if you managed to dash in time. But at that close range, you can't dodge the rockets forever. You'll have a good chance at taking out a Gareth, but you'll have little health left if it's a DB Gareth, and if it's a PDB Gareth and you miss any of your rockets, it'll toast you. A Stalker will likely die under 1 full barrage of Orkans from you, but a smart Stalker pilot will go into stealth, so while you're messing with waiting for it's stealth to wear off, its buddies will waste you. Bottom line, if you want your Kumiho to last longer, then A, don't put it down first, or B, plan your getaway route. Well i will select A. which bot i should put for first? |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 1, 2017 13:53:46 GMT -5
It seems like you don't know how to use Kumi well. If you did, you would know to always have your two dashes ready before going into center, so if you face something like a DB Rhino you can Dash sideways, making him have to re-adjust his aim on, losing half of hit rockets in the process, while you unload on him then Dash back to safety. You can then take them out with another salvo of Orkans.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 1, 2017 14:09:23 GMT -5
Sound's like you're charging in... The first centre beacon runner ALWAYS dies fast. If you're running a Kumiho, you're likely outrunning your team mates so they can't get there in time to help you out. That's the drawback for being the fastest. You can slow down a bit to let a blue keep up, or have your escape route planned for after the beacon turns blue. Don't try to go toe to toe with anything, not even light reds. The most likely bots you'll see at the centre beacon are Rhinos, Gareths and Stalkers. The occasional Rog (me). The Rhinos will usually be a DB, so it'll melt you in about 2 seconds. Longer if you managed to dash in time. But at that close range, you can't dodge the rockets forever. You'll have a good chance at taking out a Gareth, but you'll have little health left if it's a DB Gareth, and if it's a PDB Gareth and you miss any of your rockets, it'll toast you. A Stalker will likely die under 1 full barrage of Orkans from you, but a smart Stalker pilot will go into stealth, so while you're messing with waiting for it's stealth to wear off, its buddies will waste you. Bottom line, if you want your Kumiho to last longer, then A, don't put it down first, or B, plan your getaway route. Well i will select A. which bot i should put for first? What else do you have? And are you the type who HAS to cap that centre beacon? I don't always go for the centre beacon. It depends a lot of what map I'm playing, and what the other blues are running. I always look around as the blues are spawning, and then make predictions on which way they will run. For example, If I see Gareths or Stalkers or even Kumihos, I know it'll be a waste if we ALL charged for the centre beacon, so I'll probably grab a flank beacon first, and then join in the centre beacon firefight. I'll usually get there AFTER the reds have depleted their magazines. If I see a Rhino, I might follow behind him. Let him unleash his rockets and also let him soak up most of the damage. On Dead City and Shenzhen, I NEVER go for the centre beacon. Sorry, blues...I'll let some other schmuck lose their first bot to that mess! On those two maps, I'll always go for a flank beacon, and the work my way to centre. In Dead City, the centre beacon is within reach of Orkans, so I'll usually get a kill or two by jumping and firing. Or, if I have my Jesse, I'll stay behind cover and lop Aphids. In Shenzhen, the centre beacon is out of range of Orkans, so I'll expose myself a bit to try to entice some reds to come after me, and then if they do, I'll run and blast them as they get close. Usually manage to lead them into a blue ambush. As stated above, learn to pilot your bot. Learn it's strengths and weaknesses, and play to those strengths while being aware of what may exploit your weaknesses. |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 1, 2017 15:31:39 GMT -5
I think if you don't have bulgesari or haechi in your hangar it is a waste to use a Kumi as your first bot beacon capper. Nothing that leaps into the initial onslaught at 300m lives very long. Probably it is your best bot and your best weapons so why waste it in the beginning when the additional utility of using it is minimized? All of the other advice is fine. Dash in, strike, dash out. Orkans unload for 3 seconds but you probably don't have that long. Try to avoid ancilated bots. Dash sideways or at 30'-45' angles rather than into or away from opposing line of fire. No need to get closer than 300', esp vs kinetic weapons. Everything else is situational. None of it is complicated. But the truth is that nothing that fights at 300m is going to survive for too long most of the time against a comparable level of competition.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 1, 2017 15:44:20 GMT -5
It seems like you don't know how to use Kumi well. If you did, you would know to always have your two dashes ready before going into center, so if you face something like a DB Rhino you can Dash sideways, making him have to re-adjust his aim on, losing half of hit rockets in the process, while you unload on him then Dash back to safety. You can then take them out with another salvo of Orkans. ? know how to dodge rockets from db rhinos but in shenzen generally i cant dash too much because there aren't free space for dashing in yamantau i generally cap 3 beacons and last beacon means end of my kumi because when i arrive cb there are at least 2 reds and i left my friends behind me and i cant take over 2 gareths or stalkers.. Get beacon kill one red bc and die... This is life cycle of kumiho but i think i can use kumiho for better purposes |
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 1, 2017 15:54:21 GMT -5
Well i will select A. which bot i should put for first? What else do you have? And are you the type who HAS to cap that centre beacon? I don't always go for the centre beacon. It depends a lot of what map I'm playing, and what the other blues are running. I always look around as the blues are spawning, and then make predictions on which way they will run. For example, If I see Gareths or Stalkers or even Kumihos, I know it'll be a waste if we ALL charged for the centre beacon, so I'll probably grab a flank beacon first, and then join in the centre beacon firefight. I'll usually get there AFTER the reds have depleted their magazines. If I see a Rhino, I might follow behind him. Let him unleash his rockets and also let him soak up most of the damage. On Dead City and Shenzhen, I NEVER go for the centre beacon. Sorry, blues...I'll let some other schmuck lose their first bot to that mess! On those two maps, I'll always go for a flank beacon, and the work my way to centre. In Dead City, the centre beacon is within reach of Orkans, so I'll usually get a kill or two by jumping and firing. Or, if I have my Jesse, I'll stay behind cover and lop Aphids. In Shenzhen, the centre beacon is out of range of Orkans, so I'll expose myself a bit to try to entice some reds to come after me, and then if they do, I'll run and blast them as they get close. Usually manage to lead them into a blue ambush. As stated above, learn to pilot your bot. Learn it's strengths and weaknesses, and play to those strengths while being aware of what may exploit your weaknesses. Well i have a stalker and jesse and rhino but they are low leveled |
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Post by snk on Dec 1, 2017 18:21:06 GMT -5
I always start with my 9/9.5 Orkans Kuminho every game, I find its survival is fantastic.
First, it is one of the fastest bot.
Second, it can Dash twice and with only 5 secs cd. (Min exposes time even in open area)
Third, Dash can avoid a lot of splash, even some plasma damage.
4th, Kuminho can always retreat if you have disadvantages. For example, Orkan Kuminho vs any Heachi is a very uphill battle. You should always retreat. Except you have backup.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 1, 2017 20:02:41 GMT -5
I think you'll have to adjust the way you play kumi. Dont get caught out in the open without your dashes. And if possible dont get caught out in the open. Kumi is pretty nimble. Best to use her to hunt prey wandering into cover. In that role, only the rog is comparable. Play it like an aphid jesse. Also:
1) minimize dwell time when firing.
2) fire through small diagonal gaps between cover and start firing as you break cover.
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Post by mechtout on Dec 1, 2017 20:12:09 GMT -5
use dash to get to a flank quicker but you still need to use cover. refrain from using dash just to pop out and shoot. i would not stay exposed at all with that squishy bot, but it can inflict some good damage.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Dec 1, 2017 20:14:41 GMT -5
Here’s what I’ve found:
1) Don’t regard it as your ‘suicide bot’ to grab a beacon only to die and have the beacon taken back
2) It is often better to hang back instead of grabbing a beacon, and wait for reds to approach, attack them, and move in on a beacon when you judge it is relatively safe
3) Tarans are generally a superior to Orkans on Kamiho, because the height and range for instance, allow you stay out of range of Orkan Haechi’s and other Orkan bearers.
4) Also, using longer ranges load-outs such as Tulumbas, Scourge, Shocktrain, Hydra, or Storm will keep Kamiho out of brawling territory, which is more oft than not the situation they die the most quickly in
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 4, 2017 7:33:50 GMT -5
What else do you have? And are you the type who HAS to cap that centre beacon? I don't always go for the centre beacon. It depends a lot of what map I'm playing, and what the other blues are running. I always look around as the blues are spawning, and then make predictions on which way they will run. For example, If I see Gareths or Stalkers or even Kumihos, I know it'll be a waste if we ALL charged for the centre beacon, so I'll probably grab a flank beacon first, and then join in the centre beacon firefight. I'll usually get there AFTER the reds have depleted their magazines. If I see a Rhino, I might follow behind him. Let him unleash his rockets and also let him soak up most of the damage. On Dead City and Shenzhen, I NEVER go for the centre beacon. Sorry, blues...I'll let some other schmuck lose their first bot to that mess! On those two maps, I'll always go for a flank beacon, and the work my way to centre. In Dead City, the centre beacon is within reach of Orkans, so I'll usually get a kill or two by jumping and firing. Or, if I have my Jesse, I'll stay behind cover and lop Aphids. In Shenzhen, the centre beacon is out of range of Orkans, so I'll expose myself a bit to try to entice some reds to come after me, and then if they do, I'll run and blast them as they get close. Usually manage to lead them into a blue ambush. As stated above, learn to pilot your bot. Learn it's strengths and weaknesses, and play to those strengths while being aware of what may exploit your weaknesses. Well i have a stalker and jesse and rhino but they are low leveled Stalker and Rhino are both great beacon runners. Stalkers tend to have longer lives because you are forced to pilot it cautiously. Rhinos have a ton of firepower, but when that shield goes down to use the medium weapons, it tends to die fast. Both have learning curves to use well. Personally, I've shelved both my Stalker and Rhino for now, but if I had to choose, I'd pick Stalker because I like agility over power. For an inexperienced player looking for a good centre beacon runner, I'd go for the Rhino. Outfit it as a DB so that you have a chance to do major damage before it dies. DB Rhinos are also great for steamrolling Fujins. The Jesse won't be much use to you until you have 4 Aphids. I never use mine to grab beacons unless it's an undefended beacon in Domination, or we are really down on beacons in Beacon Rush. |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 4, 2017 8:14:05 GMT -5
I've seen the posts detailing center beacon dominance with percentage of winning. I feel however, that it could be a case of institutionally pissing against the wind. Thats where light bots like jesse, stalker and gareth excel. Start a scrap on one side of the map then jet to another to grab an undefended beacon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 8:54:51 GMT -5
Hit and run, don't unload your whole magazine. If you're taking fire, dash back to cover. Dash out, fire, dash back.
Some maps have a sweet spot, due to height, you can fire over the obstacle, but not take return fire.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 4, 2017 10:51:37 GMT -5
Hit and run, don't unload your whole magazine. If you're taking fire, dash back to cover. Dash out, fire, dash back. Some maps have a sweet spot, due to height, you can fire over the obstacle, but not take return fire. ? know that sweet spots ramps in yama and slope in pp |
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 7:04:52 GMT -5
? have an orkumi (lvl9orks lvl7kumi) but SHE dies really fast it can outrun a rhino but dies afterwards. what should i do for surviving longer? Should i really use it as a beacon capper? ? have lvl5 stalker and level6 aphids should i use it as a beacon capper instead of kumi? ? also have level 5 Rhino but i use it as a fighter. Help my little kumi My hanger Level 9 tharnage Level9 Pdb My little kumi (level 9 orks level 7 Kumi) Punisher griffin (all level 7) i can replace it because its low level Db rhino (level 5 and 8 orks level 8 pinatas level 5 rhino) What should i do for use my kumi as a fighter not as a beacon capper Fixed it for you. |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 5, 2017 8:24:13 GMT -5
It seems like you don't know how to use Kumi well. If you did, you would know to always have your two dashes ready before going into center, so if you face something like a DB Rhino you can Dash sideways, making him have to re-adjust his aim on, losing half of hit rockets in the process, while you unload on him then Dash back to safety. You can then take them out with another salvo of Orkans. ? know how to dodge rockets from db rhinos but in shenzen generally i cant dash too much because there aren't free space for dashing in yamantau i generally cap 3 beacons and last beacon means end of my kumi because when i arrive cb there are at least 2 reds and i left my friends behind me and i cant take over 2 gareths or stalkers.. Get beacon kill one red bc and die... This is life cycle of kumiho but i think i can use kumiho for better purposes If you capture 3 beacons that's generally really good for your team. I'd say a worthy sacrifice. |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 5, 2017 8:28:12 GMT -5
? have an orkumi (lvl9orks lvl7kumi) but SHE dies really fast it can outrun a rhino but dies afterwards. what should i do for surviving longer? Should i really use it as a beacon capper? ? have lvl5 stalker and level6 aphids should i use it as a beacon capper instead of kumi? ? also have level 5 Rhino but i use it as a fighter. Help my little kumi My hanger Level 9 tharnage Level9 Pdb My little kumi (level 9 orks level 7 Kumi) Punisher griffin (all level 7) i can replace it because its low level Db rhino (level 5 and 8 orks level 8 pinatas level 5 rhino) What should i do for use my kumi as a fighter not as a beacon capper Fixed it for you. Are you guys seriously giving bots genders? |
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Post by Fry on Dec 5, 2017 8:45:49 GMT -5
? have an orkumi (lvl9orks lvl7kumi) but he dies really fast it can outrun a rhino but dies afterwards. what should i do for surviving longer? Should i really use it as a beacon capper? ? have lvl5 stalker and level6 aphids should i use it as a beacon capper instead of kumi? ? also have level 5 Rhino but i use it as a fighter. Help my little kumi My hanger Level 9 tharnage Level9 Pdb My little kumi (level 9 orks level 7 Kumi) Punisher griffin (all level 7) i can replace it because its low level Db rhino (level 5 and 8 orks level 8 pinatas level 5 rhino) What should i do for use my kumi as a fighter not as a beacon capper Use your Kumiho as a mid-ranger.Equip it with two Shocktrains and you will be untouchable. |
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 9:30:28 GMT -5
Are you guys seriously giving bots genders? The real kumiho is a girl. |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 5, 2017 9:33:54 GMT -5
Are you guys seriously giving bots genders? The real kumiho is a girl. But this Kumiho is a genderless robot. |
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 9:41:27 GMT -5
The real kumiho is a girl. But this Kumiho is a genderless robot. I guess  |
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Dec 5, 2017 12:44:13 GMT -5
The real kumiho is a girl. But this Kumiho is a genderless robot. Nope its transgender |
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