What should I do with my trident and trebuchet?

3 Trebs on a Fury or 4 on a Butch or 2 on a Natty with 2 Gekkos are all viable... IF you like to snipe.

Tridents are best left alone for now... but don't sell it. It will prolly get buffed before too much longer... Bet.


IMO, YMMV

If they piss you off, when used against you... then theyre effective.

Trebs really make you wish you didnt leave galahad back in your hangar.

Tridents make galahad wish he stayed there.

See, GuitarGuy I always thought of that build as a Gekko build first... with the Heavy as an afterthought.  TBH, I hated the Treb on it.  The Nashorn is nice as it syncs up pretty well with the Gekkos (a tip I picked up from his ace-ness, acethunder) and the Zeus..., while not the same range, just makes that thing a much deadlier energy platform in the midrange areas.

But, I get what you are saying... the OP was wondering what to do with them and I agree, the Leo is a good platform for a single heavy weapon. IF the OP was dead set on using one now... then yes Molots or Gekkos are the best things to pair with a Treb. 

darthbobafett  IMO - Trident Pin Leo is not a bad build for employing the Trident singly... either.  Just have to pay attention to the reload times and try to time it so that your 3 shot burst from the Trident hits how and where you want it to.  Once you get the timing of the shots down, it's possible to lead shots enough to hit a Gary/Jesse running directly perpendicular to your path.  Working in the Pins is just a matter of practice... but the range difference (600m for Tri and 500m for Pin) can make it difficult to employ effectively.

Conversely... Consider both Molots and Puns as a pairing for the Trident, as well.  Think of it like I do the Gekko build above... the Puns and/or Molots are the primary and the Trident is the bit of added, midranged, weight. 

Golem Pin Tulu Trident is a pretty fun alternative to the Leo TriPin.  I preferred it back in the old MM days at the 6/8 level more than the Leo Pin Trident because of its speed and lower profile and better corner shooting... but damage output is similar, either way.


Good luck and let us know if anything worked well... or... if it didn't. It has been a while since I have tried single Tridents, and I am curious...

Kang Dae's don't go through Anciles or do enough damage to break them. And when ~35% of the robots in the top tier of the game have an Ancile Shield, the Trebuchet becomes the only choice.

I usually keep a snipers my hangar  to snipe the sniper of enemy team , if u got butch use 4x Trebs it’s deadly ..or if you don’t then use it on natty with Gekko or on rajin..btw unless you lvl them to lvl 10 they don’t do much damage but after 10 they are deadly ..tumblas I don’t use coz they are of low lvl bu lvl 9+ with fury can lower health of I guess any bot by atleast 35-40% that’s assuming that his bot lvl is high I.e 10+ and he  evaded and took splash damage instead of direct hit ..they are highly effective against bulgasari,Lancelot ,griff and all bots who’s dont have ancile

I guess it’s not bad at all from snipers sometimes mid too..do u know how much damage can a butch with 4x Trebs and fury with 3 lvl10+ zues can do? They will rip you apart in no time ? Try to counter with knife ? Mostly ull get killed before u could even reach them unless your whole team is with you which usually never happens in solo..if left alone those guys will melt down your lance shield and kill you ..and what if you got bot like griffin which is great bot for diamond and expert...no jokes plz..u need a sniper for a sniper or a mid range for a sniper atleast..they are great and what you said is true too but from his post I guess he meant not to camp 

There are only 3 bots which have physical shield ( I mean the 3 mostly used) Lancelot,Galahad and bulgasari ...Lancelot is one we usually see but u just have to wait till his shield breaks and attack, Galahad well missiles are super ffective against em so let mid take care ....so use of the snipers? Fury,griffin if in higher leaugues..usually fury..due to dashes many peep are using  fury with zues ..they have to come after 5 sec to hit..so that’s moment u could snipe em...if you use a knife fighter even if you got a dash and enemy with fury is pretty good he can take your 60%+health  out easily ( Haeichi) ..only map where snipers aren’t much useful is moon except that map in all map you could easily snipe 
 

One treb on anything is not going to be optimal, but... I run a Trebuchet/Noricum Leo in my FB Gameroom account when I want/need a long range solution.  As much hate as Noricum and Zenits get, Noricum can be used effectively as counter-sniper weapons.  If you have the skill to properly lead targets, they can also be effective in flattening beacon runners.  The down-side is a 300m minimum range.  I find the Trebuchet pairs well as you can use it to snipe a bit, and aren't totally defenseless if something tries to close on you.  The FB ui makes select-firing two separate groups pretty easy.  Note that this is primarily an artillery setup, not a sniper setup.  The obvious alternatives are a Natasha and Gl. Patton.  I find the Natasha to be too large of a target (as well as being an aesthetically ugly machine).  The Patton works fine, but I like the larger health pool on the Leo, and his speed at level 9 is perfectly adequate to avoid counter-artillery fire.

Not optimal, but cost-effective and workable if you are willing to play at long range.  Also, the Trebuchet/Noricum Leo with a Mummy skin reminds me of Ichigo Kurosaki which is never a bad thing.

Oh... no doubt they are still usable... just not the preferred weapon for mid-long range anymore.  If/When the Tempest and/or Ancile gets the patented Pixo Re-Re-Re-Balance nerfing treatment* the Trident will hold a bit more weight than it does.  As it is, most folk want to be able to strip away the shield (Tempest or Thunder) or shoot through it (Zeus, Treb) with Mid-range and Long-range heavy weapon setups.   My comment is strictly due to the majority of the types of bots that are seen from a solo player perspective from about Diamond on up.

If on a dedicated squad team paired with a teammate that is dedicated to stripping shields it could still shine.  And in leagues where the majority of folk are NOT in an Ancile.  Plus, since the Bullet and Hydra buffs, many builds are an absolute counter.

But again, no doubt that it has the ability to blow stuff up and has the best splash radius of any direct fire rocket.


IMO, YMMV.


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1.4 million silver... i have all of these in triplicate but never use any of them. With that said, the gekko treb Leo is a good idea against most dash and griffs or fury. My issue is if your goal is to get to TT, you will want to make sure you like camping/sniping. I just can't do it. So I would not waste the silver to upgrade these builds. As brawlers get better at using cover to advance on LR builds on long maps, LR can be a liability. On short maps it is totally a liability. I do get the rare butch on PP or D.C. That wrecks me.

For trebs and tridents to be effective you'll need at least 3 of the same and you'll need to bump them up to L10 at least.

Tridents used to be very effective till they nerfed them; I have 3 maxed out ones I don't use very often because of all the anciles and maps not suitable for a fury (i'd rather use 3 zeuses).

As for Trebs, the cost to get 3 levelled is high so you'll have to decide whether you want to put in that kind of effort or it'd be best placed elsewhere. I don't like to snipe so I have 3 trebs still at L6.

Don't sell any of them for now since the silver return isn't great and who knows Pix may decide to make them relevant again.

Um, we're not talking about Zeus here. Zeus are not sniper weapons. (And I like them much better than any sniper setup, because they are viable on all maps.)

4 Trebuchets have a theoretical max DPS of 3.600. But if you consider the weapon switching, the actual value is probably more like 3k DPS. Takes a lot of time to crack even a Lance shield, which is the weakest physical shield out there. And on all but 3 maps you can easily get within 600m without breaking cover. So your build that "rips you apart in no time" actually takes 2 full salvos to break a physical shield, so the first shot that costs the Lance HPs will be fired after 40s. A Galahad shield is twice as strong, a Bulgasari shield three times as strong.

So yes, shielded bots including Lance are good counters to snipers, unless you're up against several high-DPS snipers, like two Gekko Pattons combining for 11k cycle DPS. So my position is still that snipers are only good on Canyon, SF and Yama, while a midranger (Zeus) is better at the other 5 maps. That's the reason why I run a Zeus Gekko Natty on my Android account, which can serve as emergency anti sniper on those 3 maps, and rely on my shielded bots (at the moment 2 Lancelots and 1 Galahad) to counter snipers if necessary.